Pit Bull Critically Injures Mailman, Owners Refuse to Surrender Animal

[gymnasticsmom68]

There is no sense arguing with people who are so brainwashed by the nightly news so I think I'll probably leave this thread. I already had a thread about what WONDERFUL PETS pitbulls are but those who want to belive they are mean, will belive they are mean.

Good idea, you've already personally attacked somebody, maybe you should leave the thread before you say something even worse. How you could equate the 2 different things is beyond me, and if you honestly think that the dog can be sent to live with another unsuspecting family...............well I think you have a few things to learn.

 

[LisaSt]

Gymnasticsmom where did you see a personal attack in any of those posts I think there is al little more reading into things than is really there. I am sure you will see this as a personal attack to but come on there was nothing of the sort just a few statements that obviously were taken to seriously

 

[gymnasticsmom68]

This, I consider a personal attack

And you are making assumptions that he wasn't mistreated, owned by morons who trained him to attack. You do not know anything about these dogs except from what you hear on the nightly news.

Do you also think all Muslims are terrorists and all black teenage boys are gang members? right back at ya.

Wouldn't you say that that is quite the leap for her to take. Because we think THAT dog needs to be put down after critically injuring somebody, that makes us racists? I think somebody needs to grow up a little.

 

[luvmk]

Just as there are those that are "brainwashed" to think that all pit bulls are dangerous, there are also those who are just the opposite. The belief is that it isn't the dogs fault. It's always the owners fault. If a dog attacked, then it must have had bad owners. I tend to fall on the side of all dogs have a natural instinct. Unfortunately, animals can be unpredictable. There are some dogs that when the instinct kicks in, it can be a very dangerous situation. Responsible owner or not, pets can't always be controlled.

I grew up with two dobermans for family pets. We played with them all of the time. We had them from when I was a small child until I was in high school. I loved them like anyone else loves their pet. But, there is no way I would have one now. There were times when we could see them get visibly agitated with strangers. They were always kept at a distance from people they didn't know, but if they really wanted to get to someone, they could have. For the most part, we didn't have a problem. However, we always knew there was that potential. It is that reason that I won't have one.


Rachel

 

[gymnasticsmom68]

We had a Doberman when I was little, he was always nice to us too UNTIL the day he attacked my uncle and had his teeth around his throat. That was the last time anybody saw that dog because my parents realized that the he wasn't safe around us anymore and he was put down. Some people learn, others blame the victim.

 

[LisaSt]

Ok how is that statement a personal attack she was making a comparrison to how some people think etc no personal attack there sorry you are reading way to much into that one. We had a rottie sheppard cross and it was the biggest suck in the world. Our oldes daughter would climb on him pull his tail and ears when he got tired of it he would get up and move. The dog weighed over 120 pounds. he never barked at strangers and would likeley lick you to death before ever biting you.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by EsmeraldaX
Where did you get this study from? Does it give any stats on how responsible the owners were?

I grew up with Shepards and Rotties. Never had an attack ever. My neices have a pitbull, and I know several other families with pitbulls. In fact of all the dog owners I know PERSONALLY, the only dog that has ever had an incident was a poodle who mauled a toddler, and it took several adults to pull the poodle off.

There is no sense arguing with people who are so brainwashed by the nightly news so I think I'll probably leave this thread. I already had a thread about what WONDERFUL PETS pitbulls are but those who want to belive they are mean, will belive they are mean.

You know, for one who ran to the mods to close a thread because of personal attacks on themselves, you sure are quick to toss them out against others yourself.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but those stats come from JAVMA. Being a dog expert, I'm sure you know what that is. If you care to read the entire article, just do a search on "deadly dog bites" and it's right there.

Actually, there are other studies that show that even when breeding and care are factored in, those 3 breeds are STILL the top killers. They are the top killers among those dogs who have good breeding and the best of care and they are the top killers among those who are poorly bred and mistreated or abused. Try to understand this....Pit Bulls are the #1 killer of human beings in dog attacks regardless of whether they are abused animals or not. It is a statistical fact.

You do understand don't you, that ZERO deaths by a certain breed means that no matter how they were treated, they didn't kill anyone?


This story you relate about a poodle "mauling" a toddler should've made national news. In 20 years there has been ONE death by a poodle attack and that was on a baby that was 30 days old. The poodle thought it was a toy. The parents allowed a standard size poodle to be alone in a room with an newborn infant . So, your "mauling" poodle should've been big news.


Still, the child survived, didn't she? Had that been a pit bull mauling her, she would have been DEAD. That's the difference you don't seem to get. A small dog bites a child, the child gets bitten. A pit mauls a child and more than likely they DIE.

Which would you prefer....a child that is injured or a child that is DEAD?????

 

[gymnasticsmom68]

Originally posted by peachgirl
You know, for one who ran to the mods to close a thread because of personal attacks on themselves, you sure are quick to toss them out against others yourself.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but those stats come from JAVMA. Being a dog expert, I'm sure you know what that is. If you care to read the entire article, just do a search on "deadly dog bites" and it's right there.

Actually, there are other studies that show that even when breeding and care are factored in, those 3 breeds are STILL the top killers. They are the top killers among those dogs who have good breeding and the best of care and they are the top killers among those who are poorly bred and mistreated or abused. Try to understand this....Pit Bulls are the #1 killer of human beings in dog attacks regardless of whether they are abused animals or not. It is a statistical fact.

You do understand don't you, that ZERO deaths by a certain breed means that no matter how they were treated, they didn't kill anyone?


This story you relate about a poodle "mauling" a toddler should've made national news. In 20 years there has been ONE death by a poodle attack and that was on a baby that was 30 days old. The poodle thought it was a toy. The parents allowed a standard size poodle to be alone in a room with an newborn infant . So, your "mauling" poodle should've been big news.


Still, the child survived, didn't she? Had that been a pit bull mauling her, she would have been DEAD. That's the difference you don't seem to get. A small dog bites a child, the child gets bitten. A pit mauls a child and more than likely they DIE.

Which would you prefer....a child that is injured or a child that is DEAD?????

Oh I hear about Poodles mauling people all the time, how can you miss the hundreds and hundreds of newspaper articles about it Peachgirl?

And which would she prefer? I'm sure as long as the dog is fine, the child isn't considered at all.

 

[N.Bailey]

Well, I've read this thread and I didn't take EsmeraldaX's remarks as personal attacks. I know she is very passionate about this breed of dog and I respect that. I agree too that most pit bulls will never harm anyone. I think she's also right when she says we are bias toward them because of the nightly news, but that's only because there are a lot of attacks by this breed of dog. I ran a google search the other night and I came up with tons of hits. I should have posted some of the statistics that I came upon, but I didn't want to take the thread in that direction, so I chose not to. From what I saw though, there seems to be a pit bull attack in the US about once a week and sometimes more. There is good reason for people to be fearful of this breed. I am sorry, some here don't want to believe that, but not every one of these dogs is mistreated.

I would never want to deny anyone the right to own this animal. I don't think most of us want that. I respect the right for people who choose this breed, but I also want my rights respected when you do choose to have one. I do NOT want subjected to this animal and I do not want my family subjected to this animal. As an owner of one, if you don't respect my rights, I do not think you should be legally able to keep it. If your responsible with it however I have no problem whatsoever. This means, a nuzzle when walking, a fences in yard to let the animal out, and a good leash too. I don't think that's asking too much.

Lisa, I also wanted to reply that in the US, you must have car insurance too. You're not allowed to opt out of it. The tort options are part of your policy and you can either choose full tort (right to sue whenever you want) or limited tort (sue when it falls within the boundaries specified). There are other ways of lowering your automobile policy too, like full coverage, or having liability only. If you're vehicle is not paid off yet, you must have full coverage. The deductible you choose plays into how expensive your policy is too. You can also add things like car rental, window breakage, towing expenses and other things like this to your policy that will cover that specific thing if you should need it.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by gymnasticsmom68
Oh I hear about Poodles mauling people all the time, how can you miss the hundreds and hundreds of newspaper articles about it Peachgirl?

And which would she prefer? I'm sure as long as the dog is fine, the child isn't considered at all.

What's really ironic is that when I did a search on poodle attacks, the very first thing on the list was a poodle attack....

The poodle was attacked by a pit bull and died.

In all honesty, I did find one article where a woman was "attacked???" by a poodle...

It chewed her bottom lip off while she was in a drug induced sleep.

Here's the link for those interested in the lip eating monster poodle...
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b17ba551ed9.htm

 

[legs22]

Originally posted by peachgirl
What's really ironic is that when I did a search on poodle attacks, the very first thing on the list was a poodle attack....

The poodle was attacked by a pit bull and died.

I'm sorry, poor poodle, but I just found that very ironic and it gave me a good laugh.

 

[legs22]

Originally posted by EsmeraldaX

Do you also think all Muslims are terrorists and all black teenage boys are gang members? right back at ya.

This was not nice

 

[bumcat]

Originally posted by EsmeraldaX

Do you also think all Muslims are terrorists and all black teenage boys are gang members? right back at ya.
________________________________________________

I'll answer that one. No I do not, but I would not have a Muslim that I suspected of being a terrorists in my house and around my kids.
No I do not believe all black teenage boys are gang members (not sure why this race was the target here).
I also would not have any suspected gang member regardless of race in my house or around my kids.
Why? Either of the above would probably lead to death.

And as a parent I would not risk having a dog that IS CAPABLE OF KILLING (there are plenty of studies on which breed this is) in my house or around my kids.
It's just that simple. Some parents will risk endangering their kids for the love of certain dogs and most of us will not.
And I don't care how often it happens it happens.
Comparing a pit bull attack as the same as a poodle attack is like comparing a shark attack to a goldfish nibble attack.

 

[Crankyshank]

Do you also think all Muslims are terrorists and all black teenage boys are gang members? right back at ya

Whoa there What would Monty Say?

Pit Bulls have been improperly bred for so long, that they have become an unpredictable breed. These dogs, like the others on the dangerous dog list, are much more dangerous than smaller dogs because they are stronger, more muscular, and are bred from its origins to be tough. Which is why they need a stronger and more dedicated master/mistress

Since they have become a status dog for the dregs of society, I truly feel we need to let quite a bit of the current population die out and put the strictest breeding and licensing laws in place

 

[cynsaun]

Originally posted by Crankyshank
Whoa there What would Monty Say?

 

[Pongo69]

Originally posted by EsmeraldaX
And you are making assumptions that he wasn't mistreated, owned by morons who trained him to attack. You do not know anything about these dogs except from what you hear on the nightly news.

Do you also think all Muslims are terrorists and all black teenage boys are gang members? right back at ya.

Seems to me your running on an emotional high and not looking at the BIG PICTURE!
We are talking about "ANIMALS". I don't care how cute and docile they are, they are still "ANIMALS"

BTW, my aunt bought a pit bull for my counsin back in the 80's. Beautiful animal that was well taken care of. All of a sudden this dog attacked my cousin out of the blue. The dog wasn't abused nor chained outside. This animal attacked my cousin for no apparent reason.

Now should they be considered morons because my cousin was attacked? Seems pretty lame to blame an innocent victim of a dog attack.

It's great to embrace and believe in something, but when you let it cloud your judgement and ability to use common sense, your not being realistic

 

[MeanLaureen]

BEWARE OF THE DANGEROUS POODLE....

SAVAGE SUZY!!!!!!

 

[Bojangles]

Originally posted by MeanLaureen
BEWARE OF THE DANGEROUS POODLE....

Your poodle looks sleepy and kinda spoiled. Is that a bow in her hair?

 

[Lanshark]

Your poodle looks sleepy and kinda spoiled. Is that a bow in her hair

That's because she is trying to lull you into a false sense of security before she releases her fury. Don't fall for it

 

[Bojangles]

I bet that poodle's nails are painted too. I doubt she would risk messing up her manicure to unleash fury.