Pirates kill Texas man? What do you think?

[rie'smom]

From the article you linked to. What she saw on the front of his head could have been an exit wound.

Exit wounds are usually large. Maybe he turned to look back at their pursuers?

 

[TLHB70]

I have two questions that I have not heard answered anywhere. Maybe they have been answered and I have missed the answers.

First, I heard on reports that they wanted to go see this church before they moved to Colorado (I think Colorado) the following week. Apparently they were moving. Why? What was the reason? I wonder if they were unhappy about the move at all. Was it a forced moved?

Second, I heard on reports that her husband loved history and that is why they went to see and photograph the church. I heard in one of her interviews that she didn't have the pictures that they took. I assume the reason that she doesn't have them is because the husband had the camera. Is that right?

The church is a tourist destination...part of the remains of the town that was flooded when the reservoir (lake) was created.

Yes, I know it is a tourist destination. I understand the interest in seeing it. However, my question was about the reason they were moving. Has anyone heard the reason for the move reported? Also, I assumed that the husband had the camera on him or his jet ski. Has that been reported?

 

[anniemae]

One thing that confuses me is that I read that they lived in Mexico. Is that correct? If so, why did it say they were a TX couple?

 

[DMRick]

It was more than double that..about 900 were dead.

I hate it when people say things like, are you drinking Koolaid, or you must have drank the koolaid. So many children were killed drinking it that day, that I find the saying tasteless and insensitive, when someone uses drinking the koolaid as a put down to another insinuating they are stupid or naive. What a horrible day that was. These people believed JIm Jones, they were brainwashed, or they were forced, because they didn't believe him. Sick man.

No idea on the Mexico shooting yet. I hope she's not lying. THey did find that his blood matched blook found on her life jacket.

I wonder how many young kids don't understand the phrase that's still used some 30+ years later about drinking the kool-aid. I remember seeing it on the news the next day as I sat in the waiting room of Pediatric Intensive Care at Boston Children's Hospital, thinking "It could be worse for some people than what I'm going through". Weren't there about 400 dead?

 

[DawnCt1]

Interesting development.

Mexican officials have reportedly identified two men they say are suspects in a pirate attack nine days ago on a Texas couple Jet Skiing on a border lake in which the husband was killed.



Mexican officials have not released photographs of the two men, but identified them as Pedro Saldiva Farrias, 27, and his brother, Jose Manuel Saldiva Farrias, Juan Carlos Ballesteros, an investigator with the attorney general's office of the Mexican state of Tamaulpas told ABC affiliate KRGV-TV in McAllen, Texas.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-pirate-attack-suspects-identified/story?id=11842316

 

[RadioNate]

I wonder how many young kids don't understand the phrase that's still used some 30+ years later about drinking the kool-aid. I remember seeing it on the news the next day as I sat in the waiting room of Pediatric Intensive Care at Boston Children's Hospital, thinking "It could be worse for some people than what I'm going through". Weren't there about 400 dead?

Not to go totally on a tangent but my DH's former boss (30-something year old) actually used "Drink the Koolaid" as a team building "theme." People really liked the guy he replaced and the new guys message was "get on board & do things my way." I believe he didn't have a clue about the origins of "drink the koolaid" and even had T-shirts made!

It was appalling. It just solidified peoples opinion that this guy was a moron.

Even if Jonestown wasn't actually koolaid the phrase absolutely refers to Jonestown. "It was Flavoraide" was the guys defense once he found out why people were mad.

 

[Rora]

Interesting development.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-pirate-attack-suspects-identified/story?id=11842316

Very interesting. We'll see how this plays out..

 

[EMom]

No it was not obvious from your post. Doesn't the US also deport and/or arrest those who work without visas (and get caught)

As a Texan, my immediate response is, "You've got to be kidding." ICE has essentially said they will not deport illegals anymore unless they're convicted felons. They've thrown up their hands in Texas and (I'm paraphrasing) said, "We don't have the resources to deport them all, so we're going to dismiss the deportation cases against everyone except convicted felons. It will be a miracle if we can get them out of the country." Oh, goody.

So first, you have to be CAUGHT as an illegal. That hardly ever happens. Then they have to decide to pursue a case for deportation. Even after they've done all that, unless you're a convicted felon, you get the case dismissed if you've managed to keep your record clean. Mind you, that doesn't mean you're actually lawabiding.....Maybe you just haven't been caught doing anything yet....

No, the odds of getting chunked out of Texas are slim to none.

 

[DawnCt1]

As a Texan, my immediate response is, "You've got to be kidding." ICE has essentially said they will not deport illegals anymore unless they're convicted felons. They've thrown up their hands in Texas and (I'm paraphrasing) said, "We don't have the resources to deport them all, so we're going to dismiss the deportation cases against everyone except convicted felons. It will be a miracle if we can get them out of the country." Oh, goody.

So first, you have to be CAUGHT as an illegal. That hardly ever happens. Then they have to decide to pursue a case for deportation. Even after they've done all that, unless you're a convicted felon, you get the case dismissed if you've managed to keep your record clean. Mind you, that doesn't mean you're actually lawabiding.....Maybe you just haven't been caught doing anything yet....

No, the odds of getting chunked out of Texas are slim to none.

I think that goes for the other 47 contiguous states as well. I am not sure how big the problem is in Alaska (too cold) and Hawaii (long swim) however.

 

[HonnyDipp]

The Gang who is being accused on killing this man was featured on the History Channels "Gangland" the Zeta gang was known for disposing of bodies in barrels of acid so the body is not recongized. IF they are the ones who shot that man, there most likely is NO body to recover.

 

[tikilyn]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/12/texas.falcon.lake.head/index.html?hpt=T2



(CNN) -- The severed head of the lead Mexican investigator in the Falcon Lake case, Rolando Armando Flores Villegas, was delivered Tuesday in a suitcase to the Mexican military, Texas Rep. Aaron Pena told CNN.

But a spokesman for the attorney general of Tamaulipas state in Mexico said he had not heard the report.

"We have nothing official," said Ruben Dario-Rios, the spokesman. "We have not heard any report about one of our investigators being killed. We have over 1,000 investigators working for the state."

The report came a day after authorities in the Tamaulipas state attorney general's office gave conflicting information on whether authorities were pursuing a pair of suspects in the case of a U.S. citizen who disappeared during a sightseeing trip on the U.S.-Mexican border in South Texas.

While Luis Homero Uvalle, a spokesman for the office, told CNN the suspects are brothers who are "well known to this area" -- identifying them only as "El 27" and "El 31" -- Dario-Rios, the chief spokesman for the attorney general said, "We have nothing official about suspects in the disappearance of David Hartley. I do not know where that is coming from."

Dario-Rios said Monday that Flores had not indicated to him that any suspects had been identified.

David Michael Hartley was last reported seen September 30. His wife, Tiffany, told authorities her husband was shot and killed during a sightseeing trip on Falcon Lake, which straddles the border.

On Monday, Tiffany Hartley, along with David Hartley's mother, Pam, appeared on television talk shows asking for information to help investigators find those responsible for David's death and find his body.

"Until we have him back, it's not final," Tiffany Hartley said on NBC's "The Today Show."

On Sunday, the U.S. Border Patrol, the Coast Guard, and Parks and Wildlife officials were back on the U.S. side of the lake searching for new evidence in the case, said Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzales.

Authorities from both nations have been conducting separate searches and holding regular meetings, State Department spokeswoman Virginia Staab said. But because the disappearance allegedly occurred on the Mexican side of the border, the United States cannot prosecute or make arrests in the case, the sheriff said.

Falcon Lake is on the Rio Grande in Zapata and Starr counties in South Texas. The U.S.-Mexican border runs through the middle of the lake.

Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, said 60 Mexican personnel, three boats and a helicopter had participated in the search.

 

[EMom]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/12/texas.falcon.lake.head/index.html?hpt=T2



(CNN) -- The severed head of the lead Mexican investigator in the Falcon Lake case, Rolando Armando Flores Villegas, was delivered Tuesday in a suitcase to the Mexican military, Texas Rep. Aaron Pena told CNN.

Lordy, lordy, how they DO love severed heads. Forget about garden gnomes. Severed heads are the new yard art down south of the border.



But a spokesman for the attorney general of Tamaulipas state in Mexico said he had not heard the report.

Of course he has not "heard" the report. If he "hears" of it and it is reported that he "heard" of it, HIS will be the next severed head.....and my guess is that he prefers his head attached to his body.




"We have nothing official," said Ruben Dario-Rios, the spokesman. "We have not heard any report about one of our investigators being killed. We have over 1,000 investigators working for the state."

The report came a day after authorities in the Tamaulipas state attorney general's office gave conflicting information on whether authorities were pursuing a pair of suspects in the case of a U.S. citizen who disappeared during a sightseeing trip on the U.S.-Mexican border in South Texas.

While Luis Homero Uvalle, a spokesman for the office, told CNN the suspects are brothers who are "well known to this area" -- identifying them only as "El 27" and "El 31" -- Dario-Rios, the chief spokesman for the attorney general said, "We have nothing official about suspects in the disappearance of David Hartley. I do not know where that is coming from."

Dario-Rios said Monday that Flores had not indicated to him that any suspects had been identified.

David Michael Hartley was last reported seen September 30. His wife, Tiffany, told authorities her husband was shot and killed during a sightseeing trip on Falcon Lake, which straddles the border.

On Monday, Tiffany Hartley, along with David Hartley's mother, Pam, appeared on television talk shows asking for information to help investigators find those responsible for David's death and find his body.

"Until we have him back, it's not final," Tiffany Hartley said on NBC's "The Today Show."

On Sunday, the U.S. Border Patrol, the Coast Guard, and Parks and Wildlife officials were back on the U.S. side of the lake searching for new evidence in the case, said Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzales.

Authorities from both nations have been conducting separate searches and holding regular meetings, State Department spokeswoman Virginia Staab said. But because the disappearance allegedly occurred on the Mexican side of the border, the United States cannot prosecute or make arrests in the case, the sheriff said.

Falcon Lake is on the Rio Grande in Zapata and Starr counties in South Texas. The U.S.-Mexican border runs through the middle of the lake.

Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, said 60 Mexican personnel, three boats and a helicopter had participated in the search.

As someone posted above, the body of the jet skier is probably sitting in a vat of acid somewhere.....Fat chance of retrieving it. Most people in the US have no concept of the what the cartels are capable of.

 

[LisaNJ25]

Its going to be where no one in mexico is going to go into law enforcement. The ones who are actually trying to help keep getting killed.

 

[cm8]

As someone posted above, the body of the jet skier is probably sitting in a vat of acid somewhere.....Fat chance of retrieving it. Most people in the US have no concept of the what the cartels are capable of.

That is so true!

 

[CaliforniaDreamin]

How did I miss this news?? This is a horrible development. I just heard about it on CNN. I guess the Mining mission took all my attention. Oh, I was really hoping he would be found alive.

 

[EMom]

How did I miss this news?? This is a horrible development. I just heard about it on CNN. I guess the Mining mission took all my attention. Oh, I was really hoping he would be found alive.

The American jet skier or the headless Mexican law enforcement official?

Seriously, the death toll connected to this case may well go up. For those of you unfamiliar with the work of the cartels, they really do have a fondness for decapitation followed by delivering the head to send a message. One of the most effective is to toss heads into wedding receptions, etc. You'll never get that at a WDW wedding, will ya?

If this case serves to do nothing else, maybe.....just maybe, it will wake up some Americans to what is going on and what we're facing.

 

[CaliforniaDreamin]

The American jet skier or the headless Mexican law enforcement official?

Sorry, the decapitation. I have been following the story since it broke. I think I made some comments on the first or second pages. I had major doubts about the wife's story. Now I'm starting to believe her.

 

[zalansky]

Horrible turn of events! I totally believe the wife now.

On another note, I don't think I would go to Mexico under any circumstances in the near future. Is that an overreaction, or are the inclusive resorts still safe? Still, not plans to go, but we have friends who are!

 

[RadioNate]

The American jet skier or the headless Mexican law enforcement official?

Seriously, the death toll connected to this case may well go up. For those of you unfamiliar with the work of the cartels, they really do have a fondness for decapitation followed by delivering the head to send a message. One of the most effective is to toss heads into wedding receptions, etc. You'll never get that at a WDW wedding, will ya?

If this case serves to do nothing else, maybe.....just maybe, it will wake up some Americans to what is going on and what we're facing.

I agree. I used to live in Texas so I'm a little familiar with whats going on. So scary. I hated that people didn't believe her because it sounded like typical cartel behavior.

It also scares me that we are putting so much pressure on the Mexican government about this. I know it is important but now the investigator is dead too. I know these cartels need to be stopped but so many lives have been and will be lost that it scares me.

 

[*BTMRR*]

Horrible turn of events! I totally believe the wife now.

On another note, I don't think I would go to Mexico under any circumstances in the near future. Is that an overreaction, or are the inclusive resorts still safe? Still, not plans to go, but we have friends who are!

I'm sure that the inclusives are still "safe" but my worry is that even in "safe" areas the police force is just too corrupt (or, understandably, too afraid) and that if something DID happen there would be no help until the US Consulate could get help to you which might be a while. I like to travel where there's a reasonable expectation that effective, minimally corrupt police assistance is available in case of emergency.