Pirates kill Texas man? What do you think?

[PixieDust32]

I agree with you. The witness said that he saw a boat chasing her jet ski. The stress on her face is also apparent. If you see still pictures of her and her husband together, she doesn't look like the same young woman now.
I don't understand the reluctance to believe the Mexican government over our own citizens, when we KNOW what they are about. A sheriff's deputy was recently accused of staging his own shooting when he encountered members of a drug cartel just over the border. Forensics have cleared him of that allegation.

The Mexican Government is Mexico's worst enemy. They will never admit any wrongdoing or responsibility, Mexico is a narco state.

A couple of months ago a teenager was shot and kill by the border patrol, the kid was 15 or 16 years old with a loooong rap sheet, they were crossing the boarder just to rob people, the encounter the border patrol and attacked them with rocks, well someone captured the incident on their cell phone and the Mexican government and media went crazy over the incident, the video was all over the TV, they were asking the US Government to investigate the case.Now you don't hear any noise from them at all..... weird ah!

What about the 85 people from Central America slaughtered by gangsters even as they pleaded for their lives.Only one person survive and they put his face all over the TV.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/7171935.html

 

[EMom]

She could report them anonymously.

I think she's even scared to do that because I suggested it. The 11 bedroom people only have two neighbors, so it would be her or the other people. I'll be blunt. I was thrilled to have our last neighbors leave. They moved in because someone tried to kidnap the DH and (I believe) got a lookalike employee instead. Never had the nerve to ask if they got the employee back. They were one of the families that arrived with suitcases and nothing else, and bought EVERYTHING from scratch. All brand new and top of the line. Mercedes, Hummer, etc.

At first, I felt bad for them. Kidnapping is no fun. Then the strangeness began. Cars driving up and dropping off one suitcase at a time.....for 2 years. How many suitcases do you need and what was in them? Drive up, drop it, drive off.....no conversation. Brief meetings at the mailbox and then the other party would take off....No more than 3-5 minutes max. Lots of other odd stuff. We began to wonder if there was a reason they'd been targeted. Maybe Poppy made his money in some other way than they told us. And none of us wanted that violence to find its way to our neighborhood. We breathed a sigh of relief when their visas ran out and they had to give up the house.

 

[dodukes]

I think she's even scared to do that because I suggested it. The 11 bedroom people only have two neighbors, so it would be her or the other people. I'll be blunt. I was thrilled to have our last neighbors leave. They moved in because someone tried to kidnap the DH and (I believe) got a lookalike employee instead. Never had the nerve to ask if they got the employee back. They were one of the families that arrived with suitcases and nothing else, and bought EVERYTHING from scratch. All brand new and top of the line. Mercedes, Hummer, etc.

At first, I felt bad for them. Kidnapping is no fun. Then the strangeness began. Cars driving up and dropping off one suitcase at a time.....for 2 years. How many suitcases do you need and what was in them? Drive up, drop it, drive off.....no conversation. Brief meetings at the mailbox and then the other party would take off....No more than 3-5 minutes max. Lots of other odd stuff. We began to wonder if there was a reason they'd been targeted. Maybe Poppy made his money in some other way than they told us. And none of us wanted that violence to find its way to our neighborhood. We breathed a sigh of relief when their visas ran out and they had to give up the house.

I will admit after reading this that I too would be afraid to report them.

 

[krcit]

Why isn't our government doing anything about these illegals? We need to close up the borders and stop letting everyone in.

 

[EMom]

Just because they are wealthy doesn't mean they are legal, they could be illegal wealthy?

I thought you had to wait a while before coming back on visa?? But i guess if you are wealthy and its the mexican govt giving these out, money talks. That just seems so odd to me that these people are allowed to do that. Wouldnt surprise me if they were higher ups in the cartels and such, surely some must live here in the US no?

They seem to time the visa renewals for Christmas break and summer break. We get two weeks off at Christmas, but it's common for them to leave a week early and return a week late. So they take a month off. That's enough time to get a visa renewed. The summer gives them enough time.

Last year, a classmate of DD's went back to Mexico for Christmas and never returned. He's back this year. He told them his passport had expired and it had taken a while to get a new one. So the family had to stay there for the spring 2010 semester.

At first, we were stunned at how many were coming in and wondered how they were pulling it off. It didn't take much digging to find out. Money indeed talks. And on paper, they aren't trying to "stay" forever. No intent to become citizens. No, they come in as longterm tourists, go back, return as tourists, go back, etc. While here, they spend oodles of money. No one in government seems to object. I think it's skirting the spirit of the law, but apparently not the letter of the law.

 

[Simba's Mom]

Getting back to the woman whose husband got shot, did any notice that it was the Mexican government, not the American, that first claimed they doubted her story? I think it's just so they don't look like the dangerous country they are-"Oh,no-I don't think that type of thing would really happen here." From what I know and have seen so far, I think she's just a victim of the Mexican political system. Force the Mexican police to search garages of homes-that's probably where the jet ski is. And that body is in the water-the Mexican waters. And like I think it was Emom who said-do you really think the Mexican government is looking that hard, really scouring those waters thouroughly? Think again! The Mexican government just wants this whole thing to go away. And there that poor young widow sits, victimized first by becoming a widow, now this.

 

[EMom]

Getting back to the woman whose husband got shot, did any notice that it was the Mexican government, not the American, that first claimed they doubted her story? I think it's just so they don't look like the dangerous country they are-"Oh,no-I don't think that type of thing would really happen here." From what I know and have seen so far, I think she's just a victim of the Mexican political system. Force the Mexican police to search garages of homes-that's probably where the jet ski is. And that body is in the water-the Mexican waters. And like I think it was Emom who said-do you really think the Mexican government is looking that hard, really scouring those waters thouroughly? Think again! The Mexican government just wants this whole thing to go away. And there that poor young widow sits, victimized first by becoming a widow, now this.

Yes, it was the MEXICAN law enforcement officials who cast doubt on her story. The US law enforcement officials, especially the ones in Texas, never did. They backed her up. However.....things have changed and apparently now the Mexican LE officials are saying, "Never mind," about the wife not telling the truth. Sort of a....."Crap, we thought that would work and get us off the hook. Make it all disappear. Well, that didn't work. Okay, then. Let's pretend we didn't mean it after all and it was just a big misunderstanding. Bueno!"

Geez, I hope my DH never croaks without the whole world witnessing it because we've had substantial life insurance on him since the day we married. Believe it or not, lots of people have insurance on spouses for several times their income, even when they are childless. Now if it turns out someone NEVER had insurance and then it was taken out on ONLY the one who died, but not the one who survived....Okay, that's enough to raise eyebrows. For my part, I always wonder about people with decent incomes who die WITHOUT life insurance. Now THAT seems odd to me.

 

[NHdisneylover]

The ones I'm talkiing about have no problem plopping down $250,000-$800,000 CASH MONEY for a house. Do you know what kind of house that will buy you in Texas? They are essentially buying a vacation home in Texas. No one gives a rat's hiney where you're from when you're paying CASH for a house. As far as leasing, the leasing agents are happy to lease to them in this market. Very often, they pay a few to several months' rent ahead of time and the agent loves that.

As for jobs, they don't get jobs. Their money comes from Mexico. The dad flies down as often as needed to conduct business. Wife and kids stay here. Keep in mind, I am talking about the wealthy Mexicans, not the illegal aliens we used to see. Two different groups of people, two different sets of rules.

As far as being illegal, I don't know that they are. There used to be something called the million dollar visa, which I think has been downgraded to the $100,000 visa. Something about investing $X in a US business and you get a visa. Many are doing that. But the vast majority are coming here on tourist visas, staying as long as that allows, returning to Mexico to get a new tourist visa, coming back to the US, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. Sure, sometimes the kids have to go AWOL from school for a while so that they can return to Mexico to get a new tourist visa, but so what???? Money talks. No one bats an eye at a wealthy Mexican wanting multiple tourist Visas to the US.

There are literally thousands of Americans doing the exact same thing in Mexico and no one bats an eye about that either--it is perfectly legal and it DOES happen both ways (probably MANY more Americans in Mexico than the other way around--and have been for decades). My parents even did it that way when they first moved down. After 5 or 6 years they got their long term visas (and could then work) and now Dad has dual citizenship.

 

[postage stamp]

Whether this woman is telling the truth or not I have NO idea because I wasn't there.

What I DO know is that my husband is in the military, deployed right now to Mexico, Central America and South America assigned to deal with drug ops and anti-piracy.

I know that these people will shoot at American naval ships. i know they will try to hit American ships with their own boats in an effort to sink them. So do I think they'd bat an eye at shooting 2 people on jet skis?

Nope, they'd do it without hesitation, provocation, or remorse.

 

[EMom]

Whether this woman is telling the truth or not I have NO idea because I wasn't there.

What I DO know is that my husband is in the military, deployed right now to Mexico, Central America and South America assigned to deal with drug ops and anti-piracy.

I know that these people will shoot at American naval ships. i know they will try to hit American ships with their own boats in an effort to sink them. So do I think they'd bat an eye at shooting 2 people on jet skis?

Nope, they'd do it without hesitation, provocation, or remorse.

I think what a lot of people fail to realize is that the cartels.....The Zetas in particular....have a large percentage of their membership comprised of former military. And not just ANY military....No, they were special forces. The best of the best. Ironically, the US government often trained them to fight drug cartels. Heck, we financed the training. Then, they turned to the cartels and used their new and improved skills to bring in a MUCH larger paycheck than the military could offer. That's why many people (me included) are against giving one penny to Mexico to "fight the drug war." Too many times, we're using millions to train and arm the very people who will then wind up running the drug cartels. How stupid is that??? Inadvertantly, we're providing the means to make the cartels more effective and dangerous than ever.

 

[DawnCt1]

from them at all..... weird ah!

What about the 85 people from Central America slaughtered by gangsters even as they pleaded for their lives.Only one person survive and they put his face all over the TV.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/7171935.html

He's a dead man walking. Even the witness that saw this wife chased by the boat didn't want his face revealed.
One thing that Calderon said however, I have to agree with. The push on behalf of California to legalize marijuana encourages the drug trade. Not that they need more encouragement, but I do think that there are consequences to minimizing the negative aspects of marijuana of which there are many.

 

[DawnCt1]

Why isn't our government doing anything about these illegals? We need to close up the borders and stop letting everyone in.

We would be treading into a political discussion if we attempted to answer that. One of our fine representatives suggested that building a fence to keep the illegals out was tantamount to the Berlin "fence". (She called it a fence). Duh, The Berlin Wall was to keep people in, but how could we expect anyone to actually know that.

 

[Bilberry]

Reading this morning conflicting TV interview reports about the wife's statements on the death of her husband at the hands of Mexican gangs, something is fishy. I guess it might be too early to say for sure, but it looks like Tiffany Hartley is not being honest - sadly.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/10/09/inconvenient-questions-about-the-mexico-lake-shooting-story/

 

[Simba's Mom]

I think what a lot of people fail to realize is that the cartels.....The Zetas in particular....have a large percentage of their membership comprised of former military. And not just ANY military....No, they were special forces. The best of the best. Ironically, the US government often trained them to fight drug cartels. Heck, we financed the training. Then, they turned to the cartels and used their new and improved skills to bring in a MUCH larger paycheck than the military could offer. That's why many people (me included) are against giving one penny to Mexico to "fight the drug war." Too many times, we're using millions to train and arm the very people who will then wind up running the drug cartels. How stupid is that??? Inadvertantly, we're providing the means to make the cartels more effective and dangerous than ever.

Boy, Emom, you've know how the Zetas work! Isn't it incredible? Little story-I was at UT Brownsville, an AMERICAN town. Meanwhile the Zetas were having a shoot-out in Matamoros, a MEXICAN town. Yet, their guns our so powerful, a couple of UT Brownsville students got holes in their cars from the bullets. I was very glad to get out of there that night!
I just talked to DH back home last night. He's very suspicious of her story. Go figure-two people both from that area of Texas with opposite viewpoints on the issue. I think I'd better stay here so we don't argue about this.

 

[DawnCt1]

Reading this morning conflicting TV interview reports about the wife's statements on the death of her husband at the hands of Mexican gangs, something is fishy. I guess it might be too early to say for sure, but it looks like Tiffany Hartley is not being honest - sadly.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/10/09/inconvenient-questions-about-the-mexico-lake-shooting-story/

So was he shot in the front of the head or the back? Which is it?
Wendy Murphy has her own set of doubts and suggests that Mrs. Hartley may have murdered her husband.
Murphy omits another possibility: That perhaps Mrs. Hartley’s husband is still alive and counting on not being found. And that would be the best-case scenario. Ugh.

From the article you linked to. What she saw on the front of his head could have been an exit wound.

I would give the theory that he was still alive a little bit more credibility now. The police dash camera that video taped them prior to going to Falcon lake said that they had Mexican plates on their trailer. They had lived in Mexico before, so her husband would have a place to go in Mexico and not be found.

 

[Embel]

Not sure yet if I believe her or not, but I actually think the changes to her story give her more credibility, not less. When you try to recall a real incident, particulalry a traumatic one, sometimes the time line gets jumbled in your mind, or you suddenly remember something you've forgotten.

Generally a planned false story has too many details, and few if any changes from telling to telling.

 

[krcit]

We would be treading into a political discussion if we attempted to answer that. One of our fine representatives suggested that building a fence to keep the illegals out was tantamount to the Berlin "fence". (She called it a fence). Duh, The Berlin Wall was to keep people in, but how could we expect anyone to actually know that.

oops I forgot the 'no politics' rule, lol.

 

[krcit]

From the article you linked to. What she saw on the front of his head could have been an exit wound.

I would give the theory that he was still alive a little bit more credibility now. The police dash camera that video taped them prior to going to Falcon lake said that they had Mexican plates on their trailer. They had lived in Mexico before, so her husband would have a place to go in Mexico and not be found.

I'm leaning towards this scenario also.

 

[TLHB70]

I have two questions that I have not heard answered anywhere. Maybe they have been answered and I have missed the answers.

First, I heard on reports that they wanted to go see this church before they moved to Colorado (I think Colorado) the following week. Apparently they were moving. Why? What was the reason? I wonder if they were unhappy about the move at all. Was it a forced moved?

Second, I heard on reports that her husband loved history and that is why they went to see and photograph the church. I heard in one of her interviews that she didn't have the pictures that they took. I assume the reason that she doesn't have them is because the husband had the camera. Is that right?

 

[EMom]

He's a dead man walking. Even the witness that saw this wife chased by the boat didn't want his face revealed.
One thing that Calderon said however, I have to agree with. The push on behalf of California to legalize marijuana encourages the drug trade. Not that they need more encouragement, but I do think that there are consequences to minimizing the negative aspects of marijuana of which there are many.

President Calderon wins the "Pot, Meet Kettle" award for sure. Just within the past year, MEXICO decriminalized possession of small amounts of (if I am not mistaken) marijuana, cocaine, heroin and some other drugs. Yes, that's right. DECRIMINALIZED. So it's just fine and dandy for them to do it, but not California? I'm not saying I agree with deciminalization......What I'm saying is: Don't decriminalize drugs in your own country and then have the nerve to lecture my country on why doing something similar is wrong. Mind your own business and shut up.

If Calderon is so worried about "poor Mexican farmers" being darn near forced to grow drugs just to have enough money to eat, then maybe His Excellency should get off his posterior and ask himself WHY so many of his people live in third world conditions and WHAT he can do about it. Lecture the US less and work on improving Mexico more.

No, it's much easier to take aim at the US than to focus on the dismal state of his own country and how useless (and corrupt) the government is there. Anything to distract attention away from how godawful conditions in Mexico are. Bascially, Calderon needs a big old bag of SHUTUP, with a side of MYOB for good measure.