Pirate themed restuarant "Tortuga" planned for Magic Kingdom (Update)

[Cricket2]

There also was a good bar ("Catwalk") above the restaurant.

It was a sad day when that was closed.

 

[MasterShake]

Anyone remember the 'Sound Stage Restaurant' when the Disney/MGM Studios first opened? It's where the "Playhouse Disney Brainwashes Your Childern" show is now.

The original restaurant was designed to be a driect tie-in with big, franchise Disney movies. While the service counters and the overhead bar were fixed, all the rest of the place was left bear so the place could easily be redecorated to match the newest flick. When it opened, the restaurant used the giant hotel set from Big Business - it made it seem like you were at the film's wrap party.

Zone forward in time and now Disney is spending big bucks to remake something they already had, then trashed in yet another short sighted management greed-grab for a quick buck.

You were just complaining on another post that they should do something with this building and now that there is a rumor that they might, you're already complaining about it.

 

[EUROPACL]

You were just complaining on another post that they should do something with this building and now that there is a rumor that they might, you're already complaining about it.

AV
Zone forward in time and now Disney is spending big bucks to remake something they already had, then trashed in yet another short sighted management greed-grab for a quick buck.

I think you missed the key point in AV's post. ie....short sighted. greed-grab for a quick buck."

I mean really come on is a pirate themed place where you can get the same two 8.00 dollar chicken fingers at every other place in MK really something you're pining for? I'm sure it will cause millions to extend their stays or plan special trips just to eat there.

 

[Jason71]

So is everyone thinking counter-service? Or is this going to be a character breakfast geared toward boys?

Along those lines, isn't there already a pirate-themed counter service place directly across from PotC? "The Pirate and the Parrot" or something?

A full-service place with character dining makes more sense, but a pirate restaurant without rum just feels wrong. Would make more sense as part of CBR if they went ahead with that refurbishment.

 

[MasterShake]

Place where you can get the same two 8.00 dollar chicken fingers at every other place in MK

Ok, it could be chicken fingers (crap), but do we know that for sure?

I'm sure it will cause millions to extend their stays or plan special trips just to eat there.

If memory serves, I don' think this is a very large building, so a large themed establishment is probably out of the question. With that being the case I don't think any small counter service is going to do what you suggest. If the building is large enough to be a full service restaurant, how do you know it will not be well themed?

There were complaints on another thread that Disney needed to do something with the abandoned buildings throughout Disney World. If this rumor is true, then Disney is doing something with this abandoned building. You can't complain that about an abandoned building that used to sell food and then complain that Disney is after a cheap buck when they open that building to sell food.

 

[EUROPACL]

Ok, it could be chicken fingers (crap), but do we know that for sure?

I quick look at any of the Disney menus will assure you that yes over priced Chicken Fingers will be served.

If memory serves, I don' think this is a very large building, so a large themed establishment is probably out of the question. With that being the case I don't think any small counter service is going to do what you suggest.

Duh.

There were complaints on another thread that Disney needed to do something with the abandoned buildings throughout Disney World. If this rumor is true, then Disney is doing something with this abandoned building. You can't complain that about an abandoned building that used to sell food and then complain that Disney is after a cheap buck when they open that building to sell food.

The cheap buck is another thoughtless place that is going to sell the exact same thing I can get two doors down in MK all based on a pretty crappy idea of a Pirate themed hamburger joint. Even if they go all out and make it a Character joint its still.... well stale and will sever the same Mickey shaped waffles and Mac and Cheese as the others do. The idea is not unique nor will the food be. Yes Disney might be doing something it just very very underwelming. (again from Disney)

 

[MasterShake]

I quick look at any of the Disney menus will assure you that yes over priced Chicken Fingers will be served.





Duh.



The cheap buck is another thoughtless place that is going to sell the exact same thing I can get two doors down in MK all based on a pretty crappy idea of a Pirate themed hamburger joint. Even if they go all out and make it a Character joint its still.... well stale and will sever the same Mickey shaped waffles and Mac and Cheese as the others do. The idea is not unique nor will the food be. Yes Disney might be doing something it just very very underwelming. (again from Disney)

Again, all that's been announced is a possible pirate themed restaurant named "Tortuga", but you assume it's automatically going to suck. You guys are so predictable as soon as I see AV/Euro/YoHo I know it will be something negative. Not saying that you guys aren't right sometimes, but nothing can be all bad.

People criticize Disney for having an abandoned building and then they criticize them for putting a restaurant there. It's not big enough for a ride, it's probably too small for a full blown restaurant, and you guys would crap your pants if they tried putting in another shop. Be happy that it's not going to be an abandoned building anymore and don't eat there if the food is not to your liking.

Besides they probably do need another Burger/Chicken/Fries hut cause everytime I'm there people are waiting in lines to get that junk.

 

[EUROPACL]

Again, all that's been announced is a possible pirate themed restaurant named "Tortuga", but you assume it's automatically going to suck. You guys are so predictable as soon as I see AV/Euro/YoHo I know it will be something negative. Not saying that you guys aren't right sometimes, but nothing can be all bad.

Nah...I'm just Assuming that it will be exactly what Disney has been offering for the last 10 years. With the recent announments about Epcot dining plans... I really don't see how anyone can get excited or even hope that this is going to be something unique and different.

I 'm not even saying that adding another counter service(or character) place is bad hey if I can get my 3.00 dollar coke faster then great!!! I only hope the wenchs are hot.

If you really want a "happy Disney can do no wrong copy and paste response" about all of Disney's lackluster offerings then the Community Board is just a click away. I will be the first to jump up and down and beat my chest once I see something planned or announced that is worth it.

 

[MasterShake]

If you really want a "happy Disney can do no wrong copy and paste response" about all of Disney's lackluster offerings then the Community Board is just a click away. I will be the first to jump up and down and beat my chest once I see something planned or announced that is worth it.

Not looking for the super happy Disney can do no wrong copy and paste, maybe just a sometimes doesn't hate Disney can do some things right every once in a while.

Not saying you have to love/like most of what Disney has done in the last ten year, but you can't hate everything. Hitler, for example, was arguably the most evil man in history. But he also oversaw one of the largest infrastructure-improvement campaigns in German history, with the construction of dozens of dams, autobahns, railroads, and other civil works. I hate Hitler, but I still have to admit that some of his civic works were good.

So come on, Disney must have done something in the last 10 years that you liked.

 

[raidermatt]

You can't complain that about an abandoned building that used to sell food and then complain that Disney is after a cheap buck when they open that building to sell food.

Sure you can. Details of this particular project aside for the moment, when there are complaints about things being abandoned, you have to assume that the call for utilization includes a certain level of quality/effort in that utilization. If its believed that level won't be present, its just solving one problem by creating another.

Now, as to whether this particular potential change falls into the that category, I agree, we don't know for sure. But when you do believe that so many things have come up short, its hard to assume the best. Hope, maybe.

 

[MasterShake]

Sure you can. Details of this particular project aside for the moment, when there are complaints about things being abandoned, you have to assume that the call for utilization includes a certain level of quality/effort in that utilization. If its believed that level won't be present, its just solving one problem by creating another.

Now, as to whether this particular potential change falls into the that category, I agree, we don't know for sure. But when you do believe that so many things have come up short, its hard to assume the best. Hope, maybe.

Ok, that's fair......What would you like to see them do with this building?

 

[Another Voice]

...but nothing can be all bad.

You must have never experienced 'SuperStar Limo' or 'Hemlick's Chew Chew Train'?

People criticize Disney for having an abandoned building and then they criticize them for putting a restaurant there.

Yes - Disney let the place rot for a decade and is now spending big bucks to replicate the features of another facility that could have done a better job at being 'Pirates'. Bad business management meets poor planning and everyone looses. Had 'Sound Stage' been around you could have been swishing it up with Jack look'a likes for years now. But now we're going to get another cut rate, half-mule, cut to nothing, pathetic wimpy place that's "themed" to 'Pirates' only by naming their chicken strips some cheesy pun.

maybe just a sometimes doesn't hate Disney can do some thing right think and post.

Sorry, but Disney is a big business filled with grown-ups. They don't need the cheap, pointless affirmations you got in high school.

Welcome to the world - not everyone makes the team, you don't get graded based on the group effort, "trying" isn't included in your final score, and the grading curve is steep enough to make your nose bleed.

The idiots how drop in the "Disney is a business" excuse have no clue what that really means. Disney is in entertainment - the least important thing people spend money on. Disney is extremely expensive - normal people in the real world (the ones that don't post pictures of their cats after listing their twenty differnet stays on property) can't even afford to eat on property, let alone visit multiple times a year. Just getting people to be Disney customers is tremendously hard - and most of that effort was put in fifty years ago. What first made Disneyland great has been poured into WDW and still continues to draw people by the millions.

But it won't last forever. People people aren't going to drop five grand to see chain restuarants, closed buildings and two hour waits for carnival attractions. The light that people want to see is still there, but it's fading and is being obscured by the cheap and the tawdry. There is nothing in the physics of the universe that says Disney will always be popular and always be successful..

They used to say that about Disney Feature Animation and look what happened there.

but I still have to admit that some of his civic works were good.

The amount of raw "stupid" in that comment is impossible to measure.

 

[EUROPACL]

Not looking for the super happy Disney can do no wrong copy and paste, maybe just a sometimes doesn't hate Disney can do some things right every once in a while.

So come on, Disney must have done something in the last 10 years that you liked.

I like Disney else I wouldn't go back...that does not mean that I can't and shouildn't demand the very best from them.


...last 10 years...me me see...when was Tower of Terror added? Mission Space had a real shot at being something special...but well we know what happened there. Evererest is a great addition just about 5 years too late and really sort of felt like a slap in the face after DinoLand USA and the Wild Mouse. (as far as the parks go)

I have zero intrest in ABC/ESPN and the moeny that is wasted on those efforts. So I really can't offer an honest opnion on anything that has been done well there...are they both still on the air?

Movies....there have been a couple of them that I would pay to see The First Pirates movie was great....the second over bloated...we'll see about the third. I'm having trouble coming up with another movie that I liked and in fact if it weren't for Pixar adding to the mix I'm not seeing how Disney films would have made much money over the last 10 years.


I'm not touching the Hitler comment with a 10ft pole.

 

[YoHo]

Wow, Godwin's law satisfied in only 3 pages. That's pretty good.

 

[MasterShake]

You must have never experienced 'SuperStar Limo' or 'Hemlick's Chew Chew Train'?


Yes - Disney let the place rot for a decade and is now spending big bucks to replicate the features of another facility that could have done a better job at being 'Pirates'. Bad business management meets poor planning and everyone looses. Had 'Sound Stage' been around you could have been swishing it up with Jack look'a likes for years now. But now we're going to get another cut rate, half-mule, cut to nothing, pathetic wimpy place that's "themed" to 'Pirates' only by naming their chicken strips some cheesy pun.


Sorry, but Disney is a big business filled with grown-ups. They don't need the cheap, pointless affirmations you got in high school.

Welcome to the world - not everyone makes the team, you don't get graded based on the group effort, "trying" isn't included in your final score, and the grading curve is steep enough to make your nose bleed.

The idiots how drop in the "Disney is a business" excuse have no clue what that really means. Disney is in entertainment - the least important thing people spend money on. Disney is extremely expensive - normal people in the real world (the ones that don't post pictures of their cats after listing their twenty differnet stays on property) can't even afford to eat on property, let alone visit multiple times a year. Just getting people to be Disney customers is tremendously hard - and most of that effort was put in fifty years ago. What first made Disneyland great has been poured into WDW and still continues to draw people by the millions.

But it won't last forever. People people aren't going to drop five grand to see chain restuarants, closed buildings and two hour waits for carnival attractions. The light that people want to see is still there, but it's fading and is being obscured by the cheap and the tawdry. There is nothing in the physics of the universe that says Disney will always be popular and always be successful..

They used to say that about Disney Feature Animation and look what happened there.


The amount of raw "stupid" in that comment is impossible to measure.

Yes - Disney let the place rot for a decade and is now spending big bucks to replicate the features of another facility that could have done a better job at being 'Pirates'. Bad business management meets poor planning and everyone looses. Had 'Sound Stage' been around you could have been swishing it up with Jack look'a likes for years now. But now we're going to get another cut rate, half-mule, cut to nothing, pathetic wimpy place that's "themed" to 'Pirates' only by naming their chicken strips some cheesy pun.

First, you don't know what they have planned for this restaurant.

Second, I would say that there is no way they could have predicted the success of the pirates franchise when they built the other place.

Sorry, but Disney is a big business filled with grown-ups. They don't need the cheap, pointless affirmations you got in high school.

Wow, affirmation can be cheap, but I wouldn't call it pointless. I could see you now back in high school.......

Teacher: AV you did a great job on this test. <<Puts out hand to shake AV>>

Little AV in High school: <<Slaps hand away>> don’t need your pointless affirmation.

.......

I guess Disney doesn't need affirmation when they do things right or negative comments when they do things wrong. But here we are discussing both.

Welcome to the world - not everyone makes the team, you don't get graded based on the group effort, "trying" isn't included in your final score, and the grading curve is steep enough to make your nose bleed.

I think I saw this statement made in a mentos commercial. The guy popped the mentos and he made it into the party.

The amount of raw "stupid" in that comment is impossible to measure.

Why do you hate Bridges, Dams, Railroads, and Civic works?
………

Look I know hating Disney is your thing. I’m not asking you to give that up completely. But, nothing is all bad and I would put a lot more stock in your opinion if you weren’t so outrageously biased. You write nothing but negative. Raidermatt has a lot of your same concerns, but he at least balances that by not being so closed minded and negative.

 

[YoHo]

So, let me get this straight, are you suggesting that TDC is on par with Hitler?


Hmmm, and you say we hate Disney.

 

[MasterShake]

Wow, Godwin's law satisfied in only 3 pages. That's pretty good.

Godwin's Law is used by people that can't argue the point. Mike Godwin probably got tired of losing arguments and made up his own law.

 

[EUROPACL]

First, you don't know what they have planned for this restaurant.

Not exactly but all you need to do is look around the parks.

Why do you hate Bridges, Dams, Railroads, and Civic works?

.....ah so the ends do justify the means.

 

[MasterShake]

So, let me get this straight, are you suggesting that TDC is on par with Hitler?


Hmmm, and you say we hate Disney.

On a diffrent post AV stated that Disney was "Evil" and when I think of "Evil" I think of Hitler.

I see what you are doing and it's very amusing. My daughter (Age: 5) does something very similiar to what you posted above. You say, "Mmmm, I love Ice Cream" then she say's, "If you love it so much why don't you marry it". I have a cousin that is mentaly challenged and he does a something similiar.

 

[MasterShake]

Not exactly but all you need to do is look around the parks.




.....ah so the ends do justify the means.

hahahahaha

Who stated that the ends justify the means.

The point is that nothing can be all bad or good.

Oh well, it's obvious that you guys are just going to purposly twist my words and try to make it sound like I support genocide or some other nonsense.