Pin Trading - On a Budget

I bought a couple of pin lots from ebay and was wondeing what consists of "scrapper" pins? I got alot of hidden mickey, limited release, first release and vinylmation pins. Is it possible to have scappers in any of these catagories? This will be my first year trading down in disney, I am also going to try and get my son involved.

Yes, please use the link in my signature to go to the eBay super thread. There is quite a bit of info there on scrappers. :) Or use the link that smileycrissy posted, they will take you the same place. Crissy, thanks for your feedback and support. :) Also, Geppetto Jack, please note the differences on the photos that Luv Sulley posted, that is one major major way to tell if you have a scrapper. Also if your pin looks like it has brush strokes, or if the finish isn't shiny. but there are quite a few ways to tell and really the best way to learn is to read the super thread in my signature, it's huge but worth it. :)
 
I have been checking the Disney outlet (online) for pins on clearance.

They will not be as cheap as Ebay but at least I am sure that the pins are not scrappers. The last time I checked they had a 3-packs of Up! pins for $7.99. If you are ordering other items or get free shipping thats $2.66/pin.
 
I didn't read your whole post, but I did want to comment on the fact that you felt bad about not trading with a little girl. If you don't plan on trading, why do you wear the pins in the parks? It would be better not to wear any that you don't plan to trade, right? Then you'll never be put in that situation again.
My DD6 and I both wear pins that we won't trade (she trades, I don't). I wear them because I like them. My lanyard of pins is my "jewely" for the trip, my necklace you could say. I would never go up to someone other than a CM to trade a pin unless they were at a pin trading station obviously looking to trade. I don't assume that just because I see someone wearing pins that they must want to trade with others. All of my pins are locked and the ones my DD6 isn't allowed to trade are locked also (which at this point are almost all of them). She has actually traded with non CM's a few times, but mostly just CM's.

Also for the person who said they were thinking of getting locks- I bought them last year as my daughter would literally lose an entire lanyard full of pins over the course of a trip so we started locking the "good" ones (ones she earned for going on big rides, special occassions, etc) however even with the locks we both have continued to lose pins, however now it's just a couple of pins instead of a full lanyard. It is good for keeping her from trading away ones she shouldn't be trading though.
 
I'm a little confused on the PinPics site on their scrapper page. Are the photos of pins just pins known to have scrappers out there? Or are they actual examples of scrappers? I'm thrown off because we have gotten a few of those in the lots I've purchased, but many of the pins we've gotten are not pictured there (and interestingly, in all the lots I bought before I knew about this, we never got doubles of anything). There are also some pictured that we purchased directly at Disney. I'm just having trouble interpreting what the photos on that page mean and how they are supposed to help me spot a scrapper (because I know that just because a pin is pictured there, it doesn't mean it is a scrapper automatically). :confused:
 

Another tip I have learned is to carry a small magnet with whenever you are trading in the parks. The reason is that most real Disney pins will not stick to the magnet. Once in DL we met a great CM who spoke with 5 of us about our pins. There was a guy who had the whole alphabet set and found out that 18 of his pins were scrappers that way. This does not work on all pins, as older pins will stick to it, or my DH has a stitch police badge that we bought from Disney but will stick to the magnet.


We once traded a military POW/MIA pin with another guest because he liked it so much. He knew it wasnt a Disney pin but he was okay with it
 
ITA :thumbsup2

Pin Collecting and Budget really don't go hand in hand. I don't understand the thought process some folks have with knowingly buying scrappers and trading them. Sure it's just the CM who gets it initially but then some young child who saves up his/her allowance to purchase authentic pins to trade who are then given junk is not really "fair" or in the "spirit" of what it was meant for. Just because a child wants to trade/collect pins and a parent doesn't want to spend the money doesn't mean folks have to contribute to the scrapper problem.

Bottom line - if you can't afford to acquire authenticate pins then don't trade them. Sorry if that's harsh but I can't believe the lengths people have gone to "create memories".

I just wanted to comment briefly on this - as I said before, I didn't know until about 2 weeks ago that the pins I was purchasing were anything less than authentic. The auctions all state "authentic", they are all Disney back-stamped, and they certainly appear to be "real". In fact, I can't even say with 100% certainty that every pin I've purchased for a "deal" has been a fake, but I definitely have my suspicions now.

I'm angry at the sellers who mislead buyers (like me) into thinking they are getting a bargain. I may have only paid $1 a pin, but I still sent an unscrupulous seller $100 for a lot, KWIM? And for me, it isn't about affording it - do you know how happy I was to find big lots of pins for so little money? But I would rather spend $100 and get 20-25 "real" pins than get 100 "fake" pins. I knew enough to avoid Sedesmas and ProPins, but not about avoiding scrappers.

And I know that people are wondering about how I could have been so dumb as to believe I could get "real" pins for so cheap - but I honestly assumed that the sellers were CM's or otherwise lived nearby to the parks and just amassed large collections over time. None of the pins were "special" in terms of series or editions (and I didn't mind since we were trading them anyway). At one time, it was my understanding that CM's received pins either free or very cheaply to trade - and my assumption was that these pins originated either from that or from people who just traded a bunch.

On a positive note, maybe more people are catching on to the scrapper thing because I've seen several lots listed at about 50 cents a pin that haven't sold recently (or at least had no bids coming down towards the end).
 
If you're buying huge lots of pins for $1.00 each, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that they are fakes. Please don't support the black market on pin trading. :sad2:

We only buy new pins in the parks & those are what my kids trade. It's a shame that we spend $7.00-$10.00 on each pin, & then my kid trades for a scrapper.
 
I'm angry at the sellers who mislead buyers (like me) into thinking they are getting a bargain. I may have only paid $1 a pin, but I still sent an unscrupulous seller $100 for a lot, KWIM? And for me, it isn't about affording it - do you know how happy I was to find big lots of pins for so little money? But I would rather spend $100 and get 20-25 "real" pins than get 100 "fake" pins. I knew enough to avoid Sedesmas and ProPins, but not about avoiding scrappers.

And I know that people are wondering about how I could have been so dumb as to believe I could get "real" pins for so cheap - but I honestly assumed that the sellers were CM's or otherwise lived nearby to the parks and just amassed large collections over time. None of the pins were "special" in terms of series or editions (and I didn't mind since we were trading them anyway). At one time, it was my understanding that CM's received pins either free or very cheaply to trade - and my assumption was that these pins originated either from that or from people who just traded a bunch.

I totally agree with you. It is very disgusting that people out there are so misleading. I also thought the pins were coming from CM's because some of the listings were showing locations in Florida.


I too fell prey to the 'Wow, look at the great deal on pins' because thats what Ebay was supposed to be about, or at least back in the day it was. I have a personal rule for Ebay, I'm not willing to spend more than $20 on an item in case I run into any problems with the purchase, I'm only out $20.

If you're buying huge lots of pins for $1.00 each, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that they are fakes. Please don't support the black market on pin trading. :sad2:

I don't think the 'genius' comment is necessarily fair to say. I bought pins from DTD a month ago and was offered a chance to buy a mystery pin for a buck. Who's to say that some cast member or a person living nearby wasn't able to work out a deal to purchase these pins or other pins in bulk and is therefore able to sell the pins on eBay for a buck. :confused3 Hey, it could happen. I'm not saying buying & trading the scrappers is right. I'm just giving an example of my train of thought when I ended up with a pin lot of scrappers.

I appreciate that the OP started this thread because I think its opened a few eyes as to the realization that there are fakes out there on eBay. I'll admit I had no clue. All we can do is try to educate ourselves and try not to trade the scrappers.
 
And I know that people are wondering about how I could have been so dumb as to believe I could get "real" pins for so cheap - but I honestly assumed that the sellers were CM's or otherwise lived nearby to the parks and just amassed large collections over time. None of the pins were "special" in terms of series or editions (and I didn't mind since we were trading them anyway). At one time, it was my understanding that CM's received pins either free or very cheaply to trade - and my assumption was that these pins originated either from that or from people who just traded a bunch.

Don't feel bad. Most people are surprised to find out there are fakes and really, how can you know everything about a new hobby right away? I know I was surprised to find out there were fakes. Plus sometimes there are real authentic pins for $1-$2 because pin traders who want to get out of the hobby may sell them in lots that cheap. Just try your best not to buy scrappers by doing research.

There are ways to do pin trading on a budget and buying from Disney direct. It might not be as cheap $1 per pin but there are pins usually at the Disney Character Warehouses, pins on sale or in the outlet section on Disney's website, and sometimes they have the $1 pins you can buy if you spend set amount at the theme parks.
 
My DD6 and I both wear pins that we won't trade (she trades, I don't). I wear them because I like them. My lanyard of pins is my "jewely" for the trip, my necklace you could say. I would never go up to someone other than a CM to trade a pin unless they were at a pin trading station obviously looking to trade. I don't assume that just because I see someone wearing pins that they must want to trade with others. All of my pins are locked and the ones my DD6 isn't allowed to trade are locked also (which at this point are almost all of them). She has actually traded with non CM's a few times, but mostly just CM's.

Also for the person who said they were thinking of getting locks- I bought them last year as my daughter would literally lose an entire lanyard full of pins over the course of a trip so we started locking the "good" ones (ones she earned for going on big rides, special occassions, etc) however even with the locks we both have continued to lose pins, however now it's just a couple of pins instead of a full lanyard. It is good for keeping her from trading away ones she shouldn't be trading though.

I wear pins I don't trade as well, I just say "sorry that pin is not for trade" if someone asks for it. I get asked a lot by traders because I have some really nice pins on my lanyard. I use locking backs for my keepers and tell people anything above here is available but anything below is not, if I'm wearing my pirate lanyard basically none of those are for trade. :) I like to display my pins, to "show them off" you might say and I've got some really really nice ones that people want. I have no problems saying no and I have no problems if someone tells me no, but I'll still ask. :) We use the locking backs you get from Disney, the ones that come with a little allen wrench, they've worked great for keeping our pins on our lanyards but we only use them on keepers because they are a pain to take off.

I'm a little confused on the PinPics site on their scrapper page. Are the photos of pins just pins known to have scrappers out there? Or are they actual examples of scrappers? I'm thrown off because we have gotten a few of those in the lots I've purchased, but many of the pins we've gotten are not pictured there (and interestingly, in all the lots I bought before I knew about this, we never got doubles of anything). There are also some pictured that we purchased directly at Disney. I'm just having trouble interpreting what the photos on that page mean and how they are supposed to help me spot a scrapper (because I know that just because a pin is pictured there, it doesn't mean it is a scrapper automatically). :confused:

The pins on the scrapper page there are generally ones people have that can be scrappers, it's not really kept up to date but if you find your individual pin by doing a search then you will scrapper alerts there. For instance, follow this link and scroll down, you will see what I'm referring to when I say you will see a scrapper warning......
http://pinpics.com/cgi-bin/pin.cgi?pin=52589&sid=7749.1284320688.v2 I have this pin, mine is a scrapper but I also have a few real ones in this group and they look exactly the same until you see the backstamp, then you know what the problem is. :)

Another tip I have learned is to carry a small magnet with whenever you are trading in the parks. The reason is that most real Disney pins will not stick to the magnet. Once in DL we met a great CM who spoke with 5 of us about our pins. There was a guy who had the whole alphabet set and found out that 18 of his pins were scrappers that way. This does not work on all pins, as older pins will stick to it, or my DH has a stitch police badge that we bought from Disney but will stick to the magnet.


We once traded a military POW/MIA pin with another guest because he liked it so much. He knew it wasnt a Disney pin but he was okay with it

the magnet does work with some pins but not all, so if you want to do that be aware it may not 100%. :)

I just wanted to comment briefly on this - as I said before, I didn't know until about 2 weeks ago that the pins I was purchasing were anything less than authentic. The auctions all state "authentic", they are all Disney back-stamped, and they certainly appear to be "real". In fact, I can't even say with 100% certainty that every pin I've purchased for a "deal" has been a fake, but I definitely have my suspicions now.

I'm angry at the sellers who mislead buyers (like me) into thinking they are getting a bargain. I may have only paid $1 a pin, but I still sent an unscrupulous seller $100 for a lot, KWIM? And for me, it isn't about affording it - do you know how happy I was to find big lots of pins for so little money? But I would rather spend $100 and get 20-25 "real" pins than get 100 "fake" pins. I knew enough to avoid Sedesmas and ProPins, but not about avoiding scrappers.

And I know that people are wondering about how I could have been so dumb as to believe I could get "real" pins for so cheap - but I honestly assumed that the sellers were CM's or otherwise lived nearby to the parks and just amassed large collections over time. None of the pins were "special" in terms of series or editions (and I didn't mind since we were trading them anyway). At one time, it was my understanding that CM's received pins either free or very cheaply to trade - and my assumption was that these pins originated either from that or from people who just traded a bunch.

On a positive note, maybe more people are catching on to the scrapper thing because I've seen several lots listed at about 50 cents a pin that haven't sold recently (or at least had no bids coming down towards the end).

If the auctions are stating authentic then please let us know on the eBay thread, or alert eBay because if they are saying authentic but are not then that's fraud. :) That's how to get those sellers removed from eBay. :) If they are simply stating "tradeable" then that's different and that's how a lot of sellers "get away" with selling scrappers. Because I have never seen a CM turn away a trade, I've seen a CM take a scrapper and pocket it but never say no to a trade. I don't think you are dumb at all! Until people know about scrappers then how would you know?? I thought I was getting an awesome deal as well, then I learned about scrappers and realized how wrong I was. Now I make an effort to let traders know about scrappers when I see posts like this, that's why I have that link in my signature, that way anyone who might be interested can just pop on in. :)

If you're buying huge lots of pins for $1.00 each, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that they are fakes. Please don't support the black market on pin trading. :sad2:

We only buy new pins in the parks & those are what my kids trade. It's a shame that we spend $7.00-$10.00 on each pin, & then my kid trades for a scrapper.

I think your statement is rude and not necessary. Some people simply don't know about scrappers, they see that there are pins on eBay and they buy them....it's not about being a genius or not, it's about knowing about scrappers. Obviously everyone on our eBay super thread is trying to not buy scrappers to trade, when we get scrappers we keep them, we break the posts off and make them into magnets, we use them in holiday decorations or we simply toss them. I invite you to drop in and see what you think of our thread, perhaps you will find some eBay sellers that we trust so you can save yourself a little more money on trading. :) You may also find you are able to complete some sets you need to complete. :)

People buy everything on eBay, heck I sell pins on eBay, but mine aren't scrappers! :) You don't have to pay $7-10 per pin, buy the multi packs and trade those, then you're paying $4-6 instead. Or again, come see us in our super thread and find a seller we trust, buy a few pins and see what you get. I have 2 or 3 sellers I trust above all, I've purchased probably 100 pins from each of them and only received 5-10 scrappers total, it's definitely doable.

Just so you know what happens is people in China send emails to eBay sellers who deal with pins, those emails say "buy Disney pins for pennies on the dollar" so those people buy them from direct from China for pennies, then they will either trade them in the parks for the authentic pins and sell the authentic pins on Disney at a profit or they will simply sell large lots on eBay, sometimes they will do both. Sometimes it's hard to know who is doing we try to determine that for ourselves and then post it on the super thread. :)
 
My DS got in to pin trading on his 2nd trip in 2007. I had bought all of his pins beforehand at the Disney Store when they were on clearance & it was 50% off all clearance. Needless to say, I got a lot of pins for super cheap! That same year we got DD a lanyard and a couple of pins. In 2009, they both traded pins and they even bought DH a lanyard & pins so that he would have on too! All of our pins have always been bought at the Disney Store or at Disney World (they get them as souvenirs from MIL while we are there). This year however, my MIL has gone to Ebay & bought pins. I haven't seen them yet & I am hoping & praying after reading this thread that they are legit! I think that my DS will be getting them for his b'day this weekend.

As far as pin trading goes...I almost always only let my kids trade with CM's since they can't turn kids down. I just don't think I could turn a kid down if they wanted one of my "special pins". Before we leave, I make both of my kids take off their special pins that they want to keep and they have to leave them at home.

Can someone tell me where to buy the pin books that I have seen several talk about? Are they only at the World or can you buy them elsewhere?
 
My DS got in to pin trading on his 2nd trip in 2007. I had bought all of his pins beforehand at the Disney Store when they were on clearance & it was 50% off all clearance. Needless to say, I got a lot of pins for super cheap! That same year we got DD a lanyard and a couple of pins. In 2009, they both traded pins and they even bought DH a lanyard & pins so that he would have on too! All of our pins have always been bought at the Disney Store or at Disney World (they get them as souvenirs from MIL while we are there). This year however, my MIL has gone to Ebay & bought pins. I haven't seen them yet & I am hoping & praying after reading this thread that they are legit! I think that my DS will be getting them for his b'day this weekend.

As far as pin trading goes...I almost always only let my kids trade with CM's since they can't turn kids down. I just don't think I could turn a kid down if they wanted one of my "special pins". Before we leave, I make both of my kids take off their special pins that they want to keep and they have to leave them at home.

Can someone tell me where to buy the pin books that I have seen several talk about? Are they only at the World or can you buy them elsewhere?

When someone (even a child) wants one of my special pins I simply explain that they are special to me so they are not available for trade. I've only had a few people get really upset with my explanations. I actually have 2 lanyards that I love to wear but I never trade anything off of them. I don't feel that anyone should feel obligated to trade a pin to anyone so I don't worry about wearing them. I understand what everyone is saying tho, I have a Jessica Rabbit in a red glitter dress and a Sally (from NBC) that are simply not at all for trade but I have offers for them all the time. :) I just say "sorry, that's not a trader" and most people have no issues at all.

The pin books we have purchased we got from DL, I really have no idea where you would find books at WDW but I know there are plenty of places and books out there. :) You can also find some on eBay (DBF's Mom got the girls each a pin book from eBay) and you can also find them on Disneyshopping.com.

How old is old for the pin to be to use the magnet trick?

I'm sorry, I don't have the answer to this question. The person who told us about it uses it on pins made in the past 5 years, but she also uses her discretion as she has some older pins she knows are real but the magnet still picked them up.
 
I am 100% sure you can get pin books at the pin store at Downtown Disney. I have seen them at the smaller pin stations at different places around the 'world' at different times.

Most recently I have saw a few at the pin station at Epcot, and at the pin station at Wilderness Lodge.

And idea that I recently thought of when after having to refuse a trade to a kid - we didn't take any of out 'special' pins with us - but have a lanyard full of trader pins. So I took the 'special pins' off of our lanyard and made a pin display out of them - here is what I did -

I had an inexpensive pre-stretched art canvas around the house that I had bought for another project that didn't work out how I thought it would - so I laid the pins out on the canvas - took the backs off the pins - pressed them through the canvas - and then took fine tip Sharpie markers and wrote words, phrases, attraction names, park names, resort names where we have stayed, and a few words about each pin. I even drew a few simple drawings around a few of the pins. It turned out really great! So now we can leave out 'special' pins home - and we have a place/way to display all of our souvenirs from our previous trips!

I'll try to post a photos sometime! :surfweb:
 
I had an inexpensive pre-stretched art canvas around the house that I had bought for another project that didn't work out how I thought it would - so I laid the pins out on the canvas - took the backs off the pins - pressed them through the canvas - and then took fine tip Sharpie markers and wrote words, phrases, attraction names, park names, resort names where we have stayed, and a few words about each pin. I even drew a few simple drawings around a few of the pins. It turned out really great! So now we can leave out 'special' pins home - and we have a place/way to display all of our souvenirs from our previous trips!

I'll try to post a photos sometime! :surfweb:

That sounds beautiful!! :goodvibes Can't wait to see the pic of the finished project.
 
DH and I have been trading since our first trip together in 2006. It started off just doing a little bit of trading, but we have grown quite a bit. We have several books filled and two big cork boards filled up as well that we display in our spare room. Dh has done lots of research and reading to ensure that we don't buy/trade scrappers. If they are scrappers we either keep them for ourselves or throw them away. The majority of our pins though come from the clearance section on disneyshopping.com. Dh is really good at finding good deals on sets and combining a coupon to get a great sale on them. We love pin trading! I went to the world in august and was saddened to find that they aren't trading outside the pin trading station in dtd anymore. Although those people i heard and have experienced can tend to get a little vicious so I guess it worked out the best for everyone that disney chased them off. While I was in the pin trading station a little boy came up to me and said ma'am can I look at your pins so I let him. (his manners were wonderful!) I only had one trader left on my lanyard (this was after a whole day of pin trading) so I was praying that he saw nothing or that pin b/c I probably would of given him anything from it even if he didn't like my only trader, but what do you know that little boy asked for my only trader left and he even had one that I was interested in and I tried to be fair as possible too. I traded a big pin for a big pin. He actually made out on the deal b/c his was a limited edition MVMCP from 2006. Really sweet little boy though and I was glad I could give him what he wanted. I have my faves on one side and traders on the other. Like I said though...if it were a little kid I'd most likely give them whatever they wanted just b/c kids are so adorable and the majority of my pins are replaceable unlike the limited edition of 1000 that dh traded away two yrs ago. He had this awesome stitch pin and he traded it for some pins with one of the people outside the pin station in dtd b/c they were pins that he needed to complete the sets. He searched ebay high and low and rebought the pin that only cost him about 15 bucks the first time for 99 dollars. I told him that pin is NEVER going back to disney again so don't even think about it. :scared1: Lesson learned the hard way...don't trade off pins that are very limited editions. :goodvibes
 
Lots of people use cork boards for displaying, but I like the canvas better. And you can find them on sale at Micheals for cheap, plus the 40% coupon in the paper helps too if there's no sale. You can decorate you canvas, and you also don't wind up with a baggie full of pin backs laying around.

Don't be totally turned off by pins for a couple dollars either. A few times a year, disney holds a pin event for cast members. Sometimes one is given at the door, and there's always a special pin design (by a CM) that is for sale. Pins are anywhere from 40-70% off retail price. And pins that haven't sold in ages, are tossed into "grab bags" ten pins for 10$. Sometimes the lanyard clips or lanyards are tossed in and considered as 1 pin. Often times I'd buy 2-3 of these bags for traders. Now I have a shoe box size bin of just trader pins, that were all bought extremely cheap. And there were a few times that limited editions or special event pins were on sale at these events. That's when I'd finish purchasing all the Halloween party pins that weren't available for sale the nights I went. But I would be extremely cautious if they were all the same pins in a lot of 20.

I haven't worked at Disney since 08, so I haven't kept up to date with traders much since. But how long have these scrappers been around?? I know we were to be on the look out for fakes, but there really wasn't anything about scrappers or what they look like. It's scary how close they are to originals.
 
They will not be as cheap as Ebay but at least I am sure that the pins are not scrappers. The last time I checked they had a 3-packs of Up! pins for $7.99. If you are ordering other items or get free shipping thats $2.66/pin.

We just received two of these sets today. I actually paid $5.99 per set of three, as they had been marked down a bit more. So for six pins, with shipping and taxes, I paid $18.12 - which is roughly three dollars a pin. They still appear to be available, and its a nice set for keeping or trading. If you manage to spend enough I guess the whole free shipping deal kicks in, making them an even better deal. There's also a relatively inexpensive Animal Kingdom set on the site.

Hope this helps traders/collectors on a budget.
 
After reading a lot of info on scrappers and what they were and how to spot them and all that good stuff, I wanted to go back to a thread that had a link to facebook pictures showing some side by side pins to show the difference. I thought it was in this thread but I can't seem to find it. Anyone know the thread I'm talking about?

Thanks
 














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