Perception of DVC members as snobs...

I agree with Dean. Some people are very jealous. My wifes sister goes berzerk when it is mentioned. She did the same thing when we got a new vehicle too!

As far as some people thinking they are really elite! What can you say? Enjoy your vacation Thurston & Lovie!:rolleyes:
 
Ok, I didn't want to be the first to say it, but that's it, people are jealous! I will still say that I've never had anyone on this board come across as feeling like dvc members are snobs, or any strangers for that matter. the problem is w/family and friends!!!! They all think dh and I are nuts for going to wdw so often, like we're really crazy or something, also they think we have lots of $$ to toss around! Ok, now, how can you say we're crazy for wanting to spend as much time as we possibly can in the best, most magical place on earth!!!???

They're the crazy ones for not wanting the same!!! :)

Also, if I had a ton of $$ to toss around, my bedroom furniture wouldn't be falling apart, now would it???!!!

As stated by a previous poster, it is all about priorities!!! right now dh and my number one priority is to go to wdw as often as we possibly can!!! Between dvc and annual passes, it really helps!!! :)

4 times this year!!! We haven't even told our friends/family about our October plans yet cause we are sick of hearing them!!! :rolleyes:

We will continue to do what makes us happy, and that is spend as much time as possible in the "magic"!!!

we work hard to be able to do this! and why shouldn't we enjoy ourselves as much as we can!! :) :) :)

atleast we can all share our love for wdw w/each other here on the DIS!!! :)

Laura :)
 
I think there is a difference between being a "snob" and having the knowledge that you are staying in some of the best accomodations on the entire property of WDW and being happy about it. DVC resorts are the biggest and best rooms around (with the exception of some suites that probably cost more for a single stay than our entire DVC membership cost) and most DVC members are proud of the fact that they can stay there (since it seems like many of them, myself included, could never imagine paying the cash rack rates to stay in equivalent rooms). I guess you can say that there is "pride in ownership."

Being a snob would entail knowing you are staying in the best rooms (speaking in terms of square footage vs. a regular hotel room, amenities in the room, location of the various DVC resorts etc) and thinking that you are somehow better than others because of it. I don't think I'm better than anyone else... some people just have their priorities in a different place. If someone has decided that the All-Stars suit their vacation needs just fine and that any additional size and amenities are a waste of money, that's just fine with me! That's why Disney built so many resorts at different price levels. Maybe they are better than me because they are spending less on their rooms. ;)

If someone interprets my happiness with my purchase or my pride in owning a piece of the magic as "snobbery" then I think that they are spending a little too much time thinking about what I do with my time and money.

Lisa
 
I don't think anyone views us as "snobs" because we are DVC members.

A lot of folks don't understand the concept of DVC, but once we explain it, they can see that it isn't your typical time share purchase. Once we bring family/friends with us on vacation, well, we all know how our guests react .. they fall in love with the places, and wish they owned a piece of the magic too!

I've stopped telling people about our upcoming Disney trips too..they just don't understand why we like to go back so often. Prior to DVC we traveled to a wide variety of destinations. Since joining, we have had such fun trying out the various resorts, we have been focused on DVC vacations. Bottom line, we plan our vacations for our enjoyment, we don't worry about what the neighbors, family, co-workers think!! lol!!

I also agree with Dean. We toured many different time share opportunities around the country...however, we just never felt the RCI/II time share programs were for us. However, once we heard how DVC worked, and the flexibility to provided us, we took the plunge. Dean's right, we wouldn't trade our DVC interest for a RCI or II resort! Might be an interesting poll to take to see how many DVC members also own other time shares.

I work with folks who love to travel but never pay the price to stayin deluxe hotels. We have always kidded each other about our vacations..we've always planned luxury vacation, they like camping or low budget motels, however, we all come back to work with wonderful vacation stories and wonderful memories of great vacations..I would never assume how we like to vacation is the way the rest of the world should vacation!
 

I am sure that some people do view some DVC members as snobs. Others may view DVC members as rich. While others may think DVC members are foolish for buying into a timeshare. There probably are some snobs who are members of the DVC. There are some rich folks, too. But that is true of any large group or organization that exists. But I think that the type of attitude you are refering to is more a reflection of the jealousy that some who are unable to vacation as much as say some DVC members can. In other words, it is not unique to the DVC. If people think that folks who work hard for their money and choose to spend it on something such as the DVC are snobs, then they are certainly entitled to that opinion. It doesn't make them correct and I really do think it says more about the person than the actual DVC members.
 
I agree with Paul above. I really don't talk too much about my DVC membership with anyone other than on these boards. Most think we are NUTS! Just yesterday, I told my boss that my wife and I were taking a vacation without the kids next week - he replied "Just don't tell me you're going to WDW again!" When I told him we were, he looked at me with pity for the insane, and said "I don't understand it, but if it makes you happy, that's all that matters".

I didn't dare tell him that on the last trip we finally bought into DVC. Besides thinking I'm crazy, he would probably think he's paying me too much.

Since I was a child, I always dreamed about WDW, and Disneyland when I watched the WW of Disney on NBC. At least I choose to spend my money with my family, in a family oriented atmosphere - I sometimes feel the same way they feel about me about those who go to Vegas twice a year - not my spoon full of sugar!

Tommorrow morning we head out for our first "Going Home", and I could not be happier. I'll keep this little secret between us and the kind (not snobbish) people I feel I have met here who share my passion.;)
 
I could have coppied your whole post and used it for myself. Even down to the "We're going again August! " Us too!:bounce:
I get the exact same reaction from people... "WDW AGAIN???"... :confused: But who cares. I can't get enough of WDW.
 
Hmmm... it may be useful to do a little vocabulary research here.

There is a difference between elitism and snobbery. Snobbery (definition) is simply a matter of whether you decide to avoid associating with folks you consider inferior. So, for example, if we prohibited non-DVC members from posting on this board, that would be a form of snobbery. If DVC members preferred to stay at DVC resorts since we're shielded from non-DVC members that way, then that would be snobbery. The term "cliquish" is very similar in meaning to the term "snobby".

Elitism (definition) is the belief that you're entitled to special treatment because you're better than others. Folks who feel that because they're DVC members they deserve benefits not guaranteed by the papers they signed can often be considered elitists.

So snobbery pertains to who you associate with and elitism pertains to what you think you're entitled to.

Anyway, my point in bringing up this difference is that people are normally a little of both, at all times. Look around at your friends -- typically they're all from the same socio-economic class as you, or within a narrow range across classes. It is a very rare person who has both close friends who are homeless and close friends who live in 20 room mansions. The type of snobbery that causes negative judgement (which is another negative appellation, by the way) is where that exclusionary tendency extends beyond the more intimate associations. Still, I don't think many people think badly of folks who won't move into 20 room mansions that are in the shadow of run-down 20 story "project" housing. So it is all a matter of degree.

By the same token, elitism, to some extent, is very-much a staple of a non-socialist society. People pay for what they want. The more money they have, the more they can afford, and therefore the more they are entitled to. The negative judgements of elitism, at least in our society, come into play when that entitlement is thought to be derived from something other than the expenditure of financial resources: i.e., intellectual or social status. People who think that they have the right to govern simply because they're smarter rather than because they were elected are often considered overly elitist.

So bringing this back to DVC. I think most DVC members would love to, at least occasionally, stay at other resorts on points if it was a decent value. They're staying at the DVC resorts exclusively (to the extent they are) only because it is the best value for their points. and provides them the ability to save money due to the kitchen facilities. It is (typically) not a way to stay insulated from "others". Moreover, we all know that DVC reservations are often available for cash to non-DVC members. The only objections I have ever seen to that involve when there is a pattern of abuse (although, without firm evidence, that could be considered a bit snobbish, eh?)

There have been some discussions recently that exposed some elitism. I've always maintained that all we're entitled to is what we paid for: the rooms and whatever discounts Disney wants to give us at any one time. Believing we deserve more than that just because we're DVC members, even though we've made some sort of commitment to Disney, is presumptuous. It's like expecting grandma to buy you an expensive gift for Christmas.
 
Thanks for the vocabulary lesson! I'm sure it helped a whole bunch of people on this board who were using the words "snob" and "elite" incorrectly, even if it was a little on the condescending side.

Just a comment though... I just looked up the actual dictionary entry on "elite" (because that part of your vocabulary lesson didn't sound quite correct to me) and nowhere did it mention anything about people thinking they are entitled to something they are not. It talked about being the "choice part," the "best of a class," being "the socially superior part of society" and my personal favorite, "a typewriter providing 12 characters to the linear inch," ;) but nowhere did it mention elite having anything to do with wanting things that you're not entitled to.

I would say that elitism refers to the fact that DVC members tend to stay in the best accomodations.


The snobbery comes in when a DVC member feels that the elitism of their accomodations translates to an attitude that they are somehow superior because of it. Just because one stays in deluxe hotels doesn't mean that one is better than anyone else... they are just staying in a more expensive hotel with more space and more amenties in perhaps a better location.

I would say that for the most part, most of the DVC members whom I have come across have not had the attitude that they are better than everyone else. Snobbery doesn't necessarily pertain to whether or not you associate with "inferiors." It's also an attitude or an "air of superiority in matters of knowledge or taste" and personally, I think this actual dictionary definition hits it on the head.

DVC members tend to think they made the best decision possible which might give them an air of superiority. We think we have the best of the best, and I can see how non DVC members might find it a bit snobbish, espeically if they are perfectly happy with a lower priced alternative (like an offsite timeshare or staying at the allstars).

I do think that for the most part people spend too much time worrying about what other people do with their money and this whole thread seems to be about the perception of those kinds of people.

Lisa
 
Originally posted by Lisa F
Thanks for the vocabulary lesson! I'm sure it helped a whole bunch of people on this board who were using the words "snob" and "elite" incorrectly, even if it was a little on the condescending side.
Sorry that you saw it that way. I was one of those folks about to use the words incorrectly, which is why I looked them up in the dictionary.
Just a comment though... I just looked up the actual dictionary entry on "elite" (because that part of your vocabulary lesson didn't sound quite correct to me) and nowhere did it mention anything about people thinking they are entitled to something they are not.
See the link I've now added to my earlier message: "The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources." [Emphasis added.]

I would say that elitism refers to the fact that DVC members tend to stay in the best accomodations.
Well, of course, we know that as good as VWL and BWV and OKW are, the GF is still better accommodations.

The snobbery comes in when a DVC member feels that the elitism of their accomodations translates to an attitude that they are somehow superior because of it.
ACK! That's just the jumble of word misuse that I almost got into, and that I was hoping to short-circult by looking the words up in the dictionary! :) Snobbery still has to do with keeping one's self apart from others, either physicially or socially.

I do think that for the most part people spend too much time worrying about what other people do with their money and this whole thread seems to be about the perception of those kinds of people.
I think that people spend too much time worry about what other people think of them. :)
 
Most DVC members are not snobs. People can and are going to think what they want about others. That thinking is only an opinion based on nothing more than a lack of the facts in most instances. And we shouldn't worry about what someone who really has very little understanding of why we joined the DVC thinks about us.
 
I looked up Disney Vacation Club (DVC) in my Dictionary and here's what it said.
Disney Vacation Club (DVC)-A collection of 6 exclusive timeshare resorts that operate on a point system. These resorts are Old Key West, Wilderness Lodge, Boardwalk, Beach Club Villas, Vero Beach and Hilton Head. The points system gives members tremendous flexibility. The ownership intervals are expensive to purchase but well worth it for those that eat, drink and live Disney. Members should be warned that it is more expensive to exchange their resorts and that most exchanges will result in accommodations that are of inferior quality and they will end up wishing they were at one of the DVC resorts. In short, there will be no magic during the time of the exchange. It is important for members to take pity on those less fortunate among them who own other timeshares but not DVC. While it is appropriate to own other timeshares for the purpose of a break from Disney and to use for exchanging, one should never lose sight of which resort is best.
:p
Seriously, we are all very lucky people. We should not be ashamed of owning and participating in something that gives ourselves and our families so much pleasure. I still say most of the negatives are out of jealousy. Jealousy over the fact they don't own, jealousy of the flexible system, jealousy of the fact we don't usually exchange out and therefore few people can exchange in. There are however, a multitude of great timeshares out there that most DVC members will never even know about.
 
Hey - I'm not a snob. I've spend (I'm afraid to really figure up the total amount) mucho dinero in Disney, prior to becoming DVC members. Okay, so I own a brick with a low number and prime spot, so I go and spend the week relaxing, never going in the parks.......or spend the day going through the parks and looking at all the neat little shops. What if this makes me relaxed!!!!!!

I have many opportunities to travel and have lived overseas in the tropics. I like the Orlando area....
Our friends are a little jealous.......in Indiana it's a midwest thing to buy a trailer and park it at Yogi Bear Park for the summer. It's not something I want to do (too many scouting years) but it appeals to numerous others. I go where it makes me happy!

One of the nicest things about DVC is the convenience of being able to share your experiences. We love sharing it with friends.........giving our married children with kids the opportunity to revisit and relive the magic with their children. I must admit Disney is getting pricey.....but it's all how you plan and your attitude.
 
I refuse to defend myself. My parents always told me that ;

"you know you have reached maturity when you don't care what other people think of you, and you know you are doing the right things in life"
 
I am a DVC snob......
and here is why. I have 4 brothers and sisters. We all have good jobs and healthy marriages. One brother is a skier. He and his family have visited both the eastern and western slopes for the past 15 years. Two brothers wife's stay home and raise their kids for the past 16 or 10 years. My sister and her hubby own a sail boat. Basically it is a situation where you pays your money and you takes your choice. I choose the DVC. There have been situations where someone has made a snob crack, we have always responded that the DVC is our way of spending our extra money which is different than theres. It is all a matter of choice and some day they will get there chance to spend some quality time at the DVC with me.
 
We have sometimes gotten some off-the-wall comments from family members, but hey...isn't that what family usually does? Anyway, sort of in response to Ed T's post, I sort of believe that DVC members should be treated extra special and should be differentiated, as we have made a huge commitment to spend our vacation dollars for the next 40 years on Disney vacations (for the most part) and Disney is receiving a ton of revenue from us coming down multiple times each year. After all, not having to pay the room cost each time doesn't really make a huge difference when you're spending thousands on air fare (which I know doesn't benefit Disney), Disney restaurants and Disney souvenirs. Let's face it, a big source of revenue!!! I think we are special "characters!" Sorry for the pun!
 
This is a particular problem for me in my family.... I've been trying hard to avoid posting - but I finally will join in because it aggravates the you-know-what out of me...

We are not rich, but are making significant sacrifices to take a REALLY nice vacation every year - we have dozens of good reasons for doing so. (And there isn't a BETTER place to go in my opinion.) My DH's family acts like -

A. We must be very wealthy
B. Or very stupid -

to go to WDW as much as we do!! Well, knowing their opinion of WDW vacations, I have to admit that most of his family doesn't even know we joined DVC!! They would either give unwelcome opinions - OR even worse - try to come along for the ride for free!!!

Grrr...... so, I've caved, and now we just say we are going to Florida. The sarcasm I could handle, but not the company! :D

Sue

ps - the people that DO know don't think we're snobs at all - they are REALLY happy for us!
 
When I told my parents I was considering DVC ( a time share), they replied, "be careful, your aunt and uncle brought a timeshare years ago to visit Cape Cod in March. Who wants to go to Cape Cod in March?" With respect to my parents, they know absolutely nothing about DVC flexability or benefits. I think there's some "rip-off" stigma attached to the timeshare concept.

Jhalkias,
good post and enjoy your DVC.


later,
Dave
 
I think that when you talk to people about how wonderful the DVC rooms and resorts are, because of your enthusiasim some people interpret it as snobery. I say "so be it". Most of us who own,go to WDW often, so it is just a smart move to buy.
I am sure that it is a financial sacrifice for most of the members. For me it means that I can afford to go on vacation when (if?) I can retire.
Like so many others, the biggest reaction I get is that I am nuts for going to WDW every year. This from people who have been renting the same place at the shore for the last 30 years. To each their own. Jerry
 
I can only speak for myself, but I DO sometimes feel like people think I am a snob. I also think this has a lot to do with what you consider a "snob". :)
For me, when I talk to people about DVC or our trips, they say things like
"Must be nice",
"What, are you rich or something?",
You're going on vacation? Didn't you just get back?"

Sure, because e own DVC, we are able to vacation more than if we did not own it. If we take travel costs out of the equation, our DVC membershipallows us to travel 4-5 times a year (depending on how we spend our points).

Here in Michigan there are people who go camping all summer or every weekend. They also go "up north" to their cottages twice a month for long weekends. We don't do that.....but we travel a lot???

Too many people are unfamiliar with how DVC works to really understand.
We are not rich by any means. However, we do budget for our trips, save for them, and make different choices. We choose NOT to do things in order to utilize our DVC membership.

If going on "vacation" multiple times a year makes me an "elitist snob", then I guess I AM! :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

Do I feel bad about it?? No, I feel lucky and thankful to my wonderful dh for joining DVC! :)
 



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