People interested in Poly2: are you hoping for new association or same?

[wilkydelts]

It actually does not. You can have this tower be a new DVC condo association, AND be just another building at the Poly resort. Both current PVB owners and owners of the new Poly would both be given the same access to the amenities at the Poly resort.

The Volcano pool is not a DVC pool. It is a pool for the Poly Village Resort that was there long before PVB was added to the resort. PVB owners currently get access to that because they are allowed access to all resort amentiies.

The tower guests would be given the same rights, even if DVC makes it a new condo association.

That's what I said?

 

[havoc315]

But if increased sales gravitate to VGF2, it may be because of the resale restrictions and not length of time on the contract. Not exactly apples to apples.

Yes... But Disney is pretty comprehensive is conducting surveys. They will likely ASK people whether the length of contract affected their decision.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Some critical things to keep in mind, which makes the new Poly building more unique than those other situations:

BRV... CCV later added. The addition of CCV did not add a significant number of guests. They mostly converted cash rooms to DVC rooms. The cabins don't bring in a huge relative number of new guests. So usage of the pre-existing amenities did not change much.

Jambo/Kidani -- Kidani DID bring in a huge addition of guests. But they fully built our Kidani amenities, with its own feature pool, etc. With the massive size of AKL, while amenities are shared, the reality is few Kidani guests are going to venture out to the main AKL pool between it being so far, and they already have their own feature pool.

VGF -- Pure room conversion, it did not add to the number of guests using the resort.

So the question with Poly, is will they go towards the Jambo/Kidani model -- and FULLY build out new amenities with the new addition, including a new feature pool that would be equally appealing as the Volcano pool. Or will it be an appendage on the existing resort.. some new dining and amenities, but still heavily reliant on the old Poly amenities. (Not just pool, will it have it's own check-in and lobby (almost definitely yes), will it have it's own QS (some dining certainly, whether it will have a full QS, unknown), its own hot tub (I'm strongly suspecting yes), it's own sundry shop, it's own bus stop).

It isn't really different from when they added the original VGF building. For that they did work on the beach pool - I think involved adding a hot tub and the water play area and maybe the zero entry? I don't think they increases the size of it much or at all though. No full pools were added with the addition of a new building.

 

[MandM22]

We would only contemplate buying there if it is part of the existing association.

 

[Brett Wyman]

There's no way Poly1 could receive Direct only restrictions, correct? We stay Poly A LOT on non-Poly points.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

The tower guests would be given the same rights, even if DVC makes it a new condo association.

Just to be clear, you are assuming this based off how things are done at other DVC resorts correct?

 

[DVCSunDevil]

Disney doesn't want their frontline cast members to sitting there checking room numbers within the resort to determine who has access to which pools.

Why would CMs have to check that? It would be coded into the room key or magic band that guests use to access the pool. Anyone staying at the Poly2 would know they can't access the Volcano pool, and if they tried to buzz themselves into that pool with their MB or room key the gate wouldn't open.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

It is a building that will be 100% DVC villas, but it is being built at the Poly resort.

Thank you. That is what I thought. There were several comments regarding how confusing it would be for guests to know which pool they could access if there were restrictions on the Volcano pool. Since Poly2 is entirely DVC, it wouldn't be confusing at all. Owners of Poly2 would know they can't access the Volcano pool. And when you make your reservation as well as check in, there is a list of amenities you can access. I know when I go to make a reservation on the DVC site, each resort has things highlighted in red to call my attention to them. I don't think it would be too hard to communicate to guests which pool they can use.

But you also make very good points. There are really good points on both sides of this, actually. It will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[wilkydelts]

Thank you. That is what I thought. There were several comments regarding how confusing it would be for guests to know which pool they could access if there were restrictions on the Volcano pool. Since Poly2 is entirely DVC, it wouldn't be confusing at all. Owners of Poly2 would know they can't access the Volcano pool. And when you make your reservation as well as check in, there is a list of amenities you can access. I know when I go to make a reservation on the DVC site, each resort has things highlighted in red to call my attention to them. I don't think it would be too hard to communicate to guests which pool they can use.

But you also make very good points. There are really good points on both sides of this, actually. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Again this is wrong because you can't tell people the your Polynesian is not this Polynesian. In order for what you are saying to be the new tower can not be associated with Polynesian in any way or name. It would have to be branded as an entirely new DVC location i.e Polyflections

 

[wilkydelts]

Why would CMs have to check that? It would be coded into the room key or magic band that guests use to access the pool. Anyone staying at the Poly2 would know they can't access the Volcano pool, and if they tried to buzz themselves into that pool with their MB or room key the gate wouldn't open.

I am sure you have been to Stormalong Bay. They have to have CMs guarding it like hawks. A MagicBand is not going to keep people out.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Anyone staying at the Poly2 would know they can't access the Volcano pool, and if they tried to buzz themselves into that pool with their MB or room key the gate wouldn't open.

No they wouldn't. The average guest would have absolutely no clue what would be going on in this situation. They would probably just assume their bands were broken.

 

[RamblinWreck]

Thank you. That is what I thought. There were several comments regarding how confusing it would be for guests to know which pool they could access if there were restrictions on the Volcano pool. Since Poly2 is entirely DVC, it wouldn't be confusing at all. Owners of Poly2 would know they can't access the Volcano pool. And when you make your reservation as well as check in, there is a list of amenities you can access. I know when I go to make a reservation on the DVC site, each resort has things highlighted in red to call my attention to them. I don't think it would be too hard to communicate to guests which pool they can use.

But you also make very good points. There are really good points on both sides of this, actually. It will be interesting to see what happens.

I guess a better question might be, why would they even want to enforce this?

 

[havoc315]

It isn't really different from when they added the original VGF building. For that they did work on the beach pool - I think involved adding a hot tub and the water play area and maybe the zero entry? I don't think they increases the size of it much or at all though. No full pools were added with the addition of a new building.

Good points. But they did significantly improve the beach pool, making it pretty close to a second feature pool. And they were only adding 150 units. But this indeed may be the approach taken with Poly expansion.

 

[nlenguyen]

I am thinking after the direct prices for AKL, OKW and SSR, DVC is trying to make more money. If they come out with the same association, I would rather buy a resale Poly contract than get the direct price, which I am sure will be pretty high in the next three years. Making it a new resort, contracts for this resort would at the beginning be only direct contracts until people resale their contracts

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Good points. But they did significantly improve the beach pool, making it pretty close to a second feature pool. And they were only adding 150 units. But this indeed may be the approach taken with Poly expansion.

The beach pool was already the semi-feature pool before VGF. The main pool always was more like a quiet pool.

 

[Sandisw]

But if increased sales gravitate to VGF2, it may be because of the resale restrictions and not length of time on the contract. Not exactly apples to apples.

I think we will see how things play out in this regard with the new buyers because we know that there are current owners who have in issue with the restrctions.

It could also be why they did not announce it as new or same like they did with VGF.

 

[Sandisw]

That's what I said?

Sorry, i misunderstood. I thought you meant it would have to be the same association, not part of the same resort, in order for everyone to use the Poly amenities.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

Again this is wrong because you can't tell people the your Polynesian is not this Polynesian. In order for what you are saying to be the new tower can not be associated with Polynesian in any way or name. It would have to be branded as an entirely new DVC location i.e Polyflections

That goes back to my original point. If it was two separate associations, they can do whatever they want. I am not saying they will do this, I am just thinking through ways they could limit the Volcano pool from getting worse than it already is. And the pool WILL get worse if 1000-1500 more people per day have access to it. Saying "In order for what you are saying to be the new tower can not be associated with Polynesian in any way or name" is only because that is what they have done in the past. Disney has shown they are willing to implement restrictions and change the status quo.

Obviously if it is the same association then everyone will have access to everything. But making them separate associations gives Disney some options.

 

[Sandisw]

Just to be clear, you are assuming this based off how things are done at other DVC resorts correct?

No, I am basing it off the fact that they have said it is part of the Poly resort, It can’t be part of the Poly resort without having access to the Poly resort, which includes the volcano pool, or the other pool as well.

If they are going to shut out people staying at the tower from using things at the Poly, then it is would even be a Poy tower, or a PVB2, or anything related to Poly at all.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

No they wouldn't. The average guest would have absolutely no clue what would be going on in this situation. They would probably just assume their bands were broken.

If they didn't read the info on the amenities to which they have access then that is different. The point is that it wouldn't be hard to restrict them from going into the pool.