Pat Roberston stirring up a storm again

[Independent]

Absolutely, and it gets completely ignored. President Bush has been called everything from a liar to the worst terrorist in the world. People who are citizens of this country and others have wished the worst fates to befall him. Somehow that gets a "pass" but if someone speaks out against a vocal enemy of this country and an enemy of world stability, they are accused of being judge, jury and executioner. How much better off would the world have been if someone had assassinated Hirohito or Hitler....but then who are we to judge them.

If someone in this country, on a national forum, called for the assassination of our president (whomever is in office at the time), Secret Service would be at their doorstep within hours and by nightfall they would be cooling their heels in the nearest maximum security prison. And without representation - because as an "enemy of the state" you can be held indefinitely without counsel.

Nobody would get "a pass" as you put it to call for the assassination of any of our elected leaders.

Yes, we can grumble and groan and state how much we dislike our leaders, government, policies (isn't the 1st amendment great), but nobody, but nobody can get away with calling for the assassination of our leaders.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Hey Independent...wanna go get a beer?

 

[peachgirl]

People who are citizens of this country and others have wished the worst fates to befall him.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Name the people in this country who have publicly called for Bu$h's assassination. You can't because you don't know any and if you did, they'd be in prison.


Btw, you haven't explained how you weren't advocating the assassination of Chavez. Want to give it a go?

As far as calling him a liar...I have every right to call him a liar. In my opinion, he's a liar and worse. I'm quite sure you'd love to have a law that would make voicing that opinion illegal, but it hasn't happened.....yet.

Gee Dawn, why don't you just give us your short list of those you'd like to see murdered....That is if you have the time to post that much.

 

[DawnCt1]

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Name the people in this country who have publicly called for Bu$h's assassination. You can't because you don't know any and if you did, they'd be in prison.


Btw, you haven't explained how you weren't advocating the assassination of Chavez. Want to give it a go?

As far as calling him a liar...I have every right to call him a liar. In my opinion, he's a liar and worse. I'm quite sure you'd love to have a law that would make voicing that opinion illegal, but it hasn't happened.....yet.

Gee Dawn, why don't you just give us your short list of those you'd like to see murdered....That is if you have the time to post that much.

Did I say "publicly call for his assassination?" No, I said wished for the worst fates to befall him. Surely you remember the pretzel episode. No, Peachgirl, I wouldn't want to limit anyone's free speech, not even yours. You are so steeped in your hatred for President Bush that the hatefilled din from the left is music to your ears. If one however, calls the thugs Chavez, and Castro what they are, you whine that they are "democratically elected". Saddam was "democratically elected too", or so he told us.

 

[Independent]

Hey Independent...wanna go get a beer?

Sounds Great!

Anybody else want to join us? I'll take a Corona with Lime.

A toast to the temporary, yet happy, disturbance of reality where everybody (well, almost everybody) agrees here!

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Did I say "publicly call for his assassination?" No, I said wished for the worst fates to befall him. Surely you remember the pretzel episode. No, Peachgirl, I wouldn't want to limit anyone's free speech, not even yours. You are so steeped in your hatred for President Bush that the hatefilled din from the left is music to your ears. If one however, calls the thugs Chavez, and Castro what they are, you whine that they are "democratically elected". Saddam was "democratically elected too", or so he told us.

That response is really quite pathetic...

Posters are saying that Rev. Robertson should not request assassinations from the pulpit, you say, but people say all kinds for horrible things about Bush and get a "free pass"!! You're called on it and then, try to sqwirm you're way out of it by changing the subject. More posters than peachgirl read your response and easily deciphered what your post intended. A 3rd grader could have! Just because you didn't use the exact words "publicly call for his assassination" is a moot point...

 

[peachgirl]

Dawn.....

Much like Pat Robertson, you're trying to back off what you really said in the first place, but you didn't just say you hoped they died or had an accident. Here are your words Dawn..

It would be nice if a good citizen of Venezuela stepped up to the plate but its not a foreign policy that we should advertize. Is 007 around??

You want a Venezuelan citizen to assassinate the President of their country and your only complaint about us doing it is that it's a foreign policy that should be kept quiet and we should get some secret agent to do it.


Go ahead and tell us how you didn't say what you said Pat, errr... I mean, Dawn.

 

[peachgirl]

Btw Dawn, let’s clear up what you actually said about comments towards Bu$h.

You said:

Did I say "publicly call for his assassination?"

No, Charade did and you agreed.

Here’s exactly what was posted:

caitycaity:

so you think it's ok for democratically elected heads of state to be assassinated by other countries if the other countries don't like them? i have a feeling if someone was saying that about our president, you wouldn't like it to much.

Charade responded:

What do you mean "if"??? It's already been said. And by people in *this* country too!

To which you responded:

Absolutely, and it gets completely ignored.

So, while you’re explaining how you didn’t call for the assassination of Chavez, go ahead and tell me the names of people in this country who have called for the assassination of Bu$h and have been completely ignored. Actually, I'd be interested in any names at all because I don't recall a single incident whether it went unpunished or not.

 

[caitycaity]

peachgirl is right. i was talking about assassination.

Saddam was "democratically elected too", or so he told us.

international voting observers have never found any evidence of fraud or intimidation in chavez's elections. the same could not be said for saddam.

please just face it dawn. i don't like chavez either, but to compare him to saddam or idi amin is laughable. whether we like it or not he has been elected by the citizens of venezuela. and he actually has about a 70% approval rating right now.

 

[DawnCt1]

Dawn.....

Much like Pat Robertson, you're trying to back off what you really said in the first place, but you didn't just say you hoped they died or had an accident. Here are your words Dawn..



You want a Venezuelan citizen to assassinate the President of their country and your only complaint about us doing it is that it's a foreign policy that should be kept quiet and we should get some secret agent to do it.


Go ahead and tell us how you didn't say what you said Pat, errr... I mean, Dawn.

Peachgirl, you really need to calm down. If you look closely at that first post, you may note the smiley face with the wink. Yeah, like that. I don't think that you need an interpretation of that, do you. You may also be aware that 007 is indeed a British, fictional character. The point was, it would be absolutely FINE with me if a Venezuelan citizen dispatched with Mr. Chavez. It wouldn't be fine if that was our foreign policy, and no, the chances of us really recruiting James Bond is pretty remote. Would I quietly celebrate if a misfortune befell Chavez, Castro and Kim Jong Il. NOT AT ALL. I would be quite open about it. It would be no great loss.

 

[DawnCt1]

please just face it dawn. i don't like chavez either, but to compare him to saddam or idi amin is laughable. whether we like it or not he has been elected by the citizens of venezuela. and he actually has about a 70% approval rating right now.

Chavez is alligning himself with the worst despots in the world. He will be a force to be reckoned with in South America, particularly for Ecuador. He is positioning himself to become the Castro of Venezuela, all things to all people ...for a while. His policy on exporting cocaine has certainly changed and his spirit of cooperation has faded to obstructionistic. If you were talking about "assassination" and President Bus, then I missed it. A lot of ill will has been wished towards President Bush, and that is what I was responding to. Ward Churchill, a professor at the University of Colorado, has said some dispicable things, not only towards the president but the victims of 9/11 and he is still receiving his check courtesy of the Colorado tax payers. Hate filled comments from the left are often tolerated but an inappropriate comment by a televangelist that most Americans will never see, unless it makes the news, gets all day coverage. Go figure.

 

[caitycaity]

Chavez is alligning himself with the worst despots in the world. He will be a force to be reckoned with in South America, particularly for Ecuador. He is positioning himself to become the Castro of Venezuela, all things to all people ...for a while. His policy on exporting cocaine has certainly changed and his spirit of cooperation has faded to obstructionistic. If you were talking about "assassination" and President Bus, then I missed it. A lot of ill will has been wished towards President Bush, and that is what I was responding to. Ward Churchill, a professor at the University of Colorado, has said some dispicable things, not only towards the president but the victims of 9/11 and he is still receiving his check courtesy of the Colorado tax payers. Hate filled comments from the left are often tolerated but an inappropriate comment by a televangelist that most Americans will never see, unless it makes the news, gets all day coverage. Go figure.

let me make it clear that i don't think chavez is some great guy. i don't at all. however, at this point in time, i don't think anyone could justify us govt involvement there - whether public or covert. that's basically what it boils down to in my mind.

as for president bush, i think the guy's an idiot, but people who wish him harm are, in my book, despicable.

 

[peachgirl]

Peachgirl, you really need to calm down.

Getting pinned down where you can't get out of it makes you snippy, doesn't it? And you need to own up to what you said rather than try and wiggle out of it. You said it, if you have decided it was wrong what's the big deal about just saying you were wrong?

If you look closely at that first post, you may note the smiley face with the wink. Yeah, like that. I don't think that you need an interpretation of that, do you. You may also be aware that 007 is indeed a British, fictional character.

Yep, saw the winky....so let's assume you really were kidding about using a secret agent.

You weren't kidding about the rest of it though, so let's just include that portion:

It would be nice if a good citizen of Venezuela stepped up to the plate but its not a foreign policy that we should advertize.

So it's your position that as long as it's a Venezuelan assassinating him, it's fine and dandy?

I have news for you, that's endorsing the assassination of a foreign leader.

It wouldn't be fine if that was our foreign policy

Well make up your mind, because at first you said we just shouldn't advertise the policy now you're saying we shouldn't have the policy at all.
First you claim that someone should assassinate him, then you claim no one should, then you say just a Venezuelan should.

And now for that list of Americans who have advocated the assassination of Bu$h???

 

[eclectics]

Would I quietly celebrate if a misfortune befell Chavez, Castro and Kim Jong Il. NOT AT ALL. I would be quite open about it. It would be no great loss.

All politics aside, I find it interesting that you actually consider some human lives more expendable than others. Isn't that how the Nazis started? And yes, that is exactly the mind set of todays terrorists. Just because we "hate" someone is no reason to take their life or rejoice in it no matter how evil they are. I'm sure God will settle the score.

 

[DawnCt1]

let me make it clear that i don't think chavez is some great guy. i don't at all. however, at this point in time, i don't think anyone could justify us govt involvement there - whether public or covert. that's basically what it boils down to in my mind.

as for president bush, i think the guy's an idiot, but people who wish him harm are, in my book, despicable.

I also agree that we should not get involved in Venezuela at this point in time or in the foreseeable future. It is very concerning that the cooperation with our DEA has fallen apart and portends bad things for the future. As to your opinion with regard to President Bush, I couldn't disagree more. Although we do agree that those who wish him harm are indeed despicable.

 

[DawnCt1]

All politics aside, I find it interesting that you actually consider some human lives more expendable than others. Isn't that how the Nazis started? And yes, that is exactly the mind set of todays terrorists. Just because we "hate" someone is no reason to take their life or rejoice in it no matter how evil they are. I'm sure God will settle the score.

If that were true, then we would send our soldiers off to war with instructions to wave your rifles until you scare them away. Some lives are indeed more expendable than others. Kim Jong Il is one of the most evil people in the world, dispensing $24 million worth of Swiss watches to his loyal followers while the masses died of starvation. I think he is clearly the most expendable individual in the world and I am wondering how many of his people will die until God "sorts it out". And, no, I am not advocating we start WWIII by dispensing assassination teams before you leap to that conclusion.

 

[DawnCt1]

So it's your position that as long as it's a Venezuelan assassinating him, it's fine and dandy?


And now for that list of Americans who have advocated the assassination of Bu$h???

For your first question Peachgirl, it would be MORE than fine with me. For the second question, I have answered that, ad nauseum. Read!

 

[peachgirl]

For your first question Peachgirl, it would be MORE than fine with me. For the second question, I have answered that, ad nauseum. Read!

Good, glad we cleared that up. You do advocate the assassination of foreign leaders you don't agree with.

I did read it. You agreed that there have been people in the US that have publicly advocated the assassination of Bu$h. I just want to know who those people are, but obviously you don't know of any.

Face it....Chavez enjoys more support from his constituents than Bu$h does. The only problem the Bu$h bunch has with him is his policies regarding oil. He doesn't like the US (not surprising, there's a great deal of evidence that the US was involved in the failed coup against him) and he wants to decrease oil sales to the US. He wants to increase taxes on foreign oil companies....none of this sits well with Bu$h and his big oil buddies. Bu$h doesn't give a rat's *** about the people of Venezuela.

Just as with the current fiasco Bu$h drug us into, the problems with Venezuela and Chavez are all about oil...and for that you think he should be assassinated.

 

[ThAnswr]

Sounds Great!

Anybody else want to join us? I'll take a Corona with Lime.

A toast to the temporary, yet happy, disturbance of reality where everybody (well, almost everybody) agrees here!

Margarita, please..........no salt.

 

[ThAnswr]

Chavez is alligning himself with the worst despots in the world. He will be a force to be reckoned with in South America, particularly for Ecuador. He is positioning himself to become the Castro of Venezuela, all things to all people ...for a while. His policy on exporting cocaine has certainly changed and his spirit of cooperation has faded to obstructionistic. If you were talking about "assassination" and President Bus, then I missed it. A lot of ill will has been wished towards President Bush, and that is what I was responding to. Ward Churchill, a professor at the University of Colorado, has said some dispicable things, not only towards the president but the victims of 9/11 and he is still receiving his check courtesy of the Colorado tax payers. Hate filled comments from the left are often tolerated but an inappropriate comment by a televangelist that most Americans will never see, unless it makes the news, gets all day coverage. Go figure.

Chavez, like Ward Churchill before him, is the "flavor of the month" of the rightie talking heads. My guess is that, up until a few days ago, most of the righties wouldn't know Chavez from Eva Peron the same way no one would've known who Ward Churchill was if the rightie talking heads didn't need a "cause" to keep the rabble roused.

And, please, get the rightie chip off your shoulder.

Wah, wah, wah.............hate filled comments........all day coverage.............wah, wah, wah.