Paint shop pro x/ Canon software

[jann1033]

after fighting with them (since my free 30 day trial died after 15 days) i figured i better get down to business and figure this out but when i printed some pics out today they looked like the edges were frizzed..like little hairs etc. must have over corrected something or ?. have been going by some of the teaching aids but some are greyed out in the freebie...so any tips on using it would be helpful..

(i have found out the smart fix isn't such a smart fix, or at least not on the ones i tried.)

and what is the software that comes with Canon like (s2)... basic???

 

[JR6ooo4]

Are you referring to the edge of the printed picture, like the border? Or edges inside the frame like from a face to a background?

Post an example for the best and quickest diagnosis. If you do not have a hosting site mail me a file and I can host it temporarily to help solve the problem.

Mikeeee

 

[Kelly Grannell]

seems like over compression by the camera. What JPEG setting do you use on your camera?

 

[jann1033]

think you can see it some although it looks worse in person..the bangs, hairs by the neck and the fabric on the sleeve are the worst areas. i was able to print others of the same pic using the plain old Kodak software fine but this with the paint shop looks awful. so i am guessing it was my "improving" it

and while i'm at it...i tried redoing a pic of my parents from 60 yrs ago so it has some damage and was originally just a proof but when i used the scratch removal tool it left a lot of blurred edges where scratches were( llike around the eyes, hair, a little hard to see since the new pic is smaller) it's just not sharp but the sharpener make it too harsh looking. since i just started trying to use this i don't expect miracles but would like to know what i am going wrong before i give up ( this program is headed toward strike 2 for me)

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corel

any help would be appreciated

 

[JR6ooo4]

Just so I am clear about the problem,
You did some post processing and now it has the "hairy" problem you described?

If so can you post the workflow? Others who have tried the same thing might be able to help. Was this a one-click adjustment?
Mikeeee

 

[jann1033]

Just so I am clear about the problem,
You did some post processing and now it has the "hairy" problem you described?

If so can you post the workflow? Others who have tried the same thing might be able to help. Was this a one-click adjustment?
Mikeeee

i don't know what the compression was, it's daughter's easy share 4 mp and i think she usually has it on the middle selection ( not sure what they call it)

the bottom one( parents) i changed ( paint shop) it to b&w ( i think i used the photo effects rather than filter since it's yellowed) then did the one step remove noise (or maybe small scratch removal but i think it was the noise)

the top one( baby) i have been working on to see the effects so who knows what all i did to this particular copy...i know i changed it to sepia, sharpened and clarified it, fill flash. I've been doing then undoing things to see the effects so i don't really know what else could have been not undone...i wondered if it could mess up the copy just fooling with it to much? like if the undo doesn't really 100% undo it? the original and subsequent copies don't have the grey shading on the bangs, the dark spots on the shoulders( actually it is a pointelle( Sp) fabric so it has little holes in it) and the neck hairs look like burnt hair as does the edges of the pig tail. also there is some mottling on the right cheek area ( not in the other copies) this is also the only one i printed directly from ps to my hp photosmart 1610. the other copies i had saved in documents and printed via hp image zone. since i am considering buying the program if it's something I'm not doing right i can fix it's one thing but if it's some weird thing with the program and printer, that might not be changeable

thanks for any info.
s

 

[JR6ooo4]

i don't know what the compression was, it's daughter's easy share 4 mp and i think she usually has it on the middle selection ( not sure what they call it)

the bottom one( parents) i changed ( paint shop) it to b&w ( i think i used the photo effects rather than filter since it's yellowed) then did the one step remove noise (or maybe small scratch removal but i think it was the noise)

the top one( baby) i have been working on to see the effects so who knows what all i did to this particular copy...i know i changed it to sepia, sharpened and clarified it, fill flash. I've been doing then undoing things to see the effects so i don't really know what else could have been not undone...i wondered if it could mess up the copy just fooling with it to much? like if the undo doesn't really 100% undo it? the original and subsequent copies don't have the grey shading on the bangs, the dark spots on the shoulders( actually it is a pointelle( Sp) fabric so it has little holes in it) and the neck hairs look like burnt hair as does the edges of the pig tail. also there is some mottling on the right cheek area ( not in the other copies) this is also the only one i printed directly from ps to my hp photosmart 1610. the other copies i had saved in documents and printed via hp image zone. since i am considering buying the program if it's something I'm not doing right i can fix it's one thing but if it's some weird thing with the program and printer, that might not be changeable

thanks for any info.
s

a fundamental quality to good post processing. Being able to notice when it goes bad. Congratulations!

Working in PS if you save as PSD you can see the workflow and even go back and fix things (or undo) much later.

I am not familiar with the specific actions you used. Hopefuly other will be and can helpmore than I did.
Mikeeee

 

[Kelly Grannell]

i don't know what the compression was, it's daughter's easy share 4 mp and i think she usually has it on the middle selection ( not sure what they call it

That may be the cause of the problem. Make sure when taking pictures, you choose the largest file possible (in Canon P&S it's called Superfine Large). Basically you'll get the least number of shots on a given memory card.

Also when you're playing around with your picture on Photoshop (or any other software, save it at their Maximum Quality (setting 12 at Photoshop, I don't know about other softwares).

I suspect the jaggies is the result of medium compression, resaved with another medium compression making it really high compression (higher compression = smaller the file size = really jaggy picture)

 

[jann1033]

ok great, i'll write this down so my brain doesn't have to remember it
i think i'll see if there is a photoshop for dummies type book but in the mean time

largest file = least compression=max. quality? this doesn't have anything to do with actual print picture size( ie 4x6) just the pixel count (or some other computer type something? )
talk about teaching an old dog... i will come into the 21 century, i will come into the 21 century

 

[Anewman]

largest file = largest compression=max. quality? this doesn't have anything to do with actual print picture size( ie 4x6) just the pixel count or something?

Actually it is(when dealing with compression not pixel count).
Largest file = LEAST compression = max. quality.
Smallest file = MOST compression = lowest quality.

There are two parts to in camera settings.
Usually with camera file settings the first part is pixel count(small, med, large) and the seconed part would be compression(fine, reg, superfine).

Examples
Large/reg = 4mp(on a 4 mp camera)/and MEDIUM(maybe level 5) compression.
Med/superfine(if available) = 3mp(on 4mp camera)/and least compression that the camera offers.


Sorry but I just thought I should add to the confusion.

 

[Kelly Grannell]

largest file = least compression=max. quality? this doesn't have anything to do with actual print picture size( ie 4x6) just the pixel count (or some other computer type something? )
talk about teaching an old dog... i will come into the 21 century, i will come into the 21 century

That's right. It's about compression quality, not necessarily pixel count.

On a Canon camera usually the divde them like this:

large, medium, small for pixel count. Large being the most pixel count, usually it means less blotchy image (when enlarged)

superfine, fine, standard for compression level. Superfine being the least compression (less blocky)

Of course, the larger the print size, the more you will see the blotchiness and the blockiness.

 

[jann1033]

That's right. It's about compression quality, not necessarily pixel count.

On a Canon camera usually the divde them like this:

large, medium, small for pixel count. Large being the most pixel count, usually it means less blotchy image (when enlarged)

superfine, fine, standard for compression level. Superfine being the least compression (less blocky)

Of course, the larger the print size, the more you will see the blotchiness and the blockiness.

thanks i think i've got it