P & P Party Rant.

[mking624]

Good apology, maybe others will take note. As far as point 1, of course it is unfair that Disney has a duel standard. You can come in early without a ticket but can not stay late without a ticket.

To be considered a duel standard, you would need to assume that every single person who has a hard ticket does not have a day ticket at all, and that's not true. Many hard ticket holders also have tickets that have covered the day ticket or they have APs. In that case, Disney has actually gotten more money from them. But I don't sit here and complain how Disney now owes me x amount of dollars since they didn't require a day ticket out of me. I chose to spend the money, and so I did.
As far as coming in early, you have to remember the park is still generally open. As far as staying late, you also have to remember that by this time, the park has closed to the public.

And of course (at least according to many of the posters of this thread) if you can see the unfairness of it - you must never have attended a hard ticket event. I agree with you that the type of logic that if you don't agree with me then you are wrong is by definition - arrogant.

Since I'm the one that mentioned baout not attending hard ticket events, I know that the "arrogant" comment was directed at me...and to be frank, I don't appreciate people taking my comments out of context and then making me out to be some sort of arrogant jerk. My comments had nothing to do with :if you don't agree with me, you're wrong." I said what I did because people who've never spent the money and attended a hard ticket event do not have the same perspective as those who have done so. So they'r enot looking at it from the perspective of people who dropped $40 or whatever to attend the party. And until one does spend the money, they won't be able to completely understand our perspective. That's not arrogance...it's the truth. A person cannot and is not able to completely and 100% understand a particular situation if they themselves have never been in that situation.

 

[stargrazer]

"Good gosh people, it's a vacation destination. Not a religion or politics."

True, CanadianGuy, but what's that third thing one never discusses in polite company, because it can so quickly turn impolite....?


... Oh yeah: $$MONEY$$ And that's what this is about.

OP: "I spent good money to go to Disney World!"
Party-goers: "I spent MORE money to go to this party!"
Disney: "Wow, look at all this money!"

You know what? This actually, to me, isn't about money. It's another example of people not following the rules. It goes along with my thoughts on people who refill resort mugs for years, that know wearing heelys are against the rules and let their kids wear them anyway, people that smoke in non-smoking areas and people that have their kids wear 4" platforms to get on rides.

There are people who follow the rules very closely most or all of the time. There are people who think rules are guidelines. There are people who don't know what the word means.

For some it may be about money, but really I think it's about the bigger picture...the world is full of all kinds of people (thankfully) but if we all did as we were supposed to instead of what we want to, the world would be a MUCH BETTER PLACE.

IMHO.

 

[CanadianGuy]

Wow.. now we're WAY off topic..

What was the topic? Oh yah, the OP was treated rudely? Was that it?

Or was it something else. I'm lost.

JK

 

[mking624]

Wow.. now we're WAY off topic..

What was the topic? Oh yah, the OP was treated rudely? Was that it?

Or was it something else. I'm lost.

JK

Here let me help you....
It had something to do with the CM telling everyone about 40% off rooms and then yelling "pin code" or something like that.

No wait, wrong debate...

 

[stargrazer]

Wow.. now we're WAY off topic..

What was the topic? Oh yah, the OP was treated rudely? Was that it?

Or was it something else. I'm lost.

JK

Yes, perhaps part of my comments were off topic but I it is another example of what I THOUGHT the problem was...the OP was 'treated rudely' because he was followed out of the park...due to, in some people's opinions, being there past posted hours IE: breaking the rules.

Maybe I didn't need to throw that pot stirring in there, but I am really, REALLY frustrated at the laissez faire attitude people take towards rules!! So I apologize for going off topic...

 

[MissyDVC]

You know what? This actually, to me, isn't about money. It's another example of people not following the rules. It goes along with my thoughts on people who refill resort mugs for years, that know wearing heelys are against the rules and let their kids wear them anyway, people that smoke in non-smoking areas and people that have their kids wear 4" platforms to get on rides.

There are people who follow the rules very closely most or all of the time. There are people who think rules are guidelines. There are people who don't know what the word means.

For some it may be about money, but really I think it's about the bigger picture...the world is full of all kinds of people (thankfully) but if we all did as we were supposed to instead of what we want to, the world would be a MUCH BETTER PLACE.


IMHO.

Goodnight

 

[MaeDaisy]

Then somebody asked what they could get with a snack credit, and all heck broke loose.

 

[Dawgdad]

Cussing does NOT help make your point...calling people names only takes away from your opinion.

We can all agree to disagree without the potty mouth

Well put! I would like to know that people who use this language on the boards are at least warned (I would prefer they be removed). You didn't accidentally use this language - you typed it. If you have no more self control, you should choose another place to talk Disney. My kids look at these boards and putting a "*" in place of a letter doesn't change the word. WHERE IS THE MODERATOR???

 

[auntpolly]

MouseInMelbourne, you have to remember that Disney is a business, and any "magic" they provide to anyone is simply an investment in a potential repeat customer.




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I agree. This might be one of the biggest things that amazes me on these boards - you've put it in a nutshell! People around here act like "Uncle Walt" has offended them somehow - it's a business!

 

[CanadianGuy]

Then somebody asked what they could get with a snack credit, and all heck broke loose.

HILARIOUS.. Good job.

Mae Daisy gets a

And as for the person who asked...
Moderators have been alerted. Posts have been reported.

 

[Pedler]

I am not sure that I would refer to this as a dual standard. Disney has all sorts of ticket packages for which there is a price to be paid.

There is your basic ticket that gets you into one park for the normal hours. All you can do is go to a single park during the normal standard operating hours. On nights with private parties you are supposed to exit the park immediately after closing.

You can get a basic ticket and if you stay at a WDW resort get in early or stay later on some days for EMH. If its an early EMH you get in before others. If its a nighttime EMH you get on rides while others can't but they can linger in the shops for awhile.

You can pay extra and get a park hopper. With that you can go to multiple parks per day unlike the basic ticket. If you stay at a resort you get the EMH abilities as well. Non part hopper people, those that paid less, can't go to multiple parks in one day.

and you can get a hard ticked event like this one. In this case the ticket entitles you to the last 3 hours of regular admission to the park and then additional hours to a private party at the park. Unlike the standard ticket you can't get in during the normal hours except for the last 3. But unlike a standard ticket you get to attend a private party with a limited amount of people with special events. For the 3 hours of regular time and the private party you paid a fee for the ticket.

Some may call this a dual standard but I think the more accurate term is segmenting the market and product packaging. The private parties is just another way to package the park much like the EE nights were. The difference here is that the ticket covers 3 hours of normal park hours and then the private party. By having different types of parties you package the park for different demographics. All in its just good marketing designed to generate the most profit.

 

[Pedler]

What appears to bother most people is that on these nights Disney has created a two tier pricing model with a bright line between the two groups. Normal Disney treats most guests equally as demonstrated by fast pass. In this case not only are guests treated differently based on what they paid for regular guests actually get less on these nights than other nights. On a non private party night guests get the ability to use the parks from open to close and then browse the shops for a period of time after close. On private party nights that benefit of the ticket is removed and the guests get use of the park from open to close but not the browsing after the park closes.

I understand why people are upset about that but they should be upset with Disney and not the people who pay for the private party and expect to get what they paid for. They didn't make the rules Disney did all they are asking is what they paid for. Those that want to linger could make the same argument but in this case they are getting what they paid for it just so happens that on private party nights a regular admission ticket buys you less than it does on other days. Unfortunate for the regular guest but its the mouses house and he gets to make the rules and in this case it is based on money. As I said in a previous post it can be unnerving when the veneer of magic occasional drops and you see the true profit driven nature of the mouse.

 

[auntpolly]

I understand why people are upset about that but they should be upset with Disney and not the people who pay for the private party and expect to get what they paid for. .

Oh, that would be way too logical!!!

 

[CanadianGuy]

Excellent and carefully balanced analysis Pedler -- Hear Hear!

J

 

[calgarygary]

To be considered a duel standard, you would need to assume that every single person who has a hard ticket does not have a day ticket at all, and that's not true. Many hard ticket holders also have tickets that have covered the day ticket or they have APs.

No Mary, I do not have to assume that every person does not have to have a day ticket. It is a dual standard if Disney does not allow valid day tickets to stay late while allowing hard ticket holders to arrive early. As I mentioned in my 4 points, if you already have a day ticket then of course you have every right to be in the park. And it most definitely is a dual standard (sorry for the earlier sp but given this thread maybe I did spell it right) because the hours posted on the disney website regarding the event make no mention of early admission: http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/parks/specialEvents?id=PiratesandPrincessPartySpecialEventPage

....the park has closed to the public.

Technically, the park is always closed to the public, you require an admission ticket to gain access to this private property.

Since I'm the one that mentioned baout not attending hard ticket events, I know that the "arrogant" comment was directed at me...and to be frank, I don't appreciate people taking my comments out of context and then making me out to be some sort of arrogant jerk.

That comment may have been directed at you as you made the same type of "I can tell you've never have attended a hard ticket event" comment to me earlier just because I entered this discussion on the opposite side. Not only have I attended hard ticket events, I have attended a private function where a park was rented.

Finally, the offending poster apologized for their language so I don't understand the piling on.

 

[Pedler]

I agree. This might be one of the biggest things that amazes me on these boards - you've put it in a nutshell! People around here act like "Uncle Walt" has offended them somehow - it's a business!

Yeah but just wait until they wake him from his cryogentic chamber. Then he will straighten all of this out!

No early admission for party goes.
No lingering for non party goers
No jumping lines


And.. God help us, no more heelys!
Balance will be brought back to the force. The sithe will bother us no more.

Oh wait, wrong park.. this wasn't at MGM.

 

[bsg07]

Is this for real? You were in the park 45 minutes after it closed. If you wanted to be there at that time, you should've purchased tickets to the Pirate and Princess Party. If you wanted Mickey Ears that badly, I am sure they sell them somewhere in Downtown Disney.

 

[CanadianGuy]

Once again -- this is an argument about 'what is fair'

And what is fair and what is reality very frequently find themselves on opposite sides of the castle fence.

The 'Special Party' nites.. are very clearly identified on the Disney website. I'm not thrilled that on my upcoming trip, the Magic Kingdom is hosting TWO of these nights during that week. Not at all thrilled. But there are FOUR other nights when I CAN go to the Magic Kingdom and do as I please.

I know this.. because I did a little bit of research before I spend THOUSANDS on a vacation. Everybody who goes to Disney spends a TON of money to get there and be there. To argue that you spend THOUSANDS and deserve special treatment is ridiculous.

If you don't like how they run things. Don't go.

It's that simple. Really. It is.

 

[calgarygary]

Is this for real? You were in the park 45 minutes after it closed. If you wanted to be there at that time, you should've purchased tickets to the Pirate and Princess Party. If you wanted Mickey Ears that badly, I am sure they sell them somewhere in Downtown Disney.

I would welcome you to the Dis but with this first post, I'm wondering if it isn't possible that you have been here before.

 

[mattsdragon]

I was going to get into a long note trying to explain my POV, but I'm going to just return to my original thought on page 2 of this foolishness.

Dude, you weren't just a couple of minutes late, you were 45 minutes late, that is excessive, and you weren't really moving with any kind of urgency.

For anyone who thinks that ticket holders shouldn't be allowed in early, talk to Disney, make enough noise and perhaps they will return to the old policy of closing the park EVEN EARLIER to kick the non-ticket holders out. But either way, they do not have the right to take their time exiting because they didn't pay to be there.

Plain and simple analogy. . .
Stewardess: "oh, I'm sorry sir, but I see you don't have a ticket to be on this airplane, you have to leave now"
Dude on plane: "but I just wanted to finish reading this article in the safety plamphet on the back of this seat"
Stewardess: "sir, we are about to leave the terminal, you need to leave since you have no ticket, you are holding up our departure"
Dude: "But this article is so interesting, did you know that the seat cushion could double as a floatation device?"
Captain: "Hello in the cabin, we are now departing the terminal, and should be taking off real soon"
Dude: "Crap"

If you don't have a ticket, you can't play. I wish I could go to the SuperBowl this weekend, but

ahem. . .

I DON'T HAVE A TICKET!!!!!!!!!