Over 3,500 people quarantined on Diamond Princess cruise

[Dreams&wishes]

No. They first tested 279 of the passengers, which at the time were those who had symptoms and their close contacts. Out of that batch came the first 70 infected. Since then they have tested those who have newly emerging symptoms (and presumably also their close contacts). That has given them this new batch of 60-66 but it is not known how many people were tested to get that #. They have NOT tested everyone on the ship, rather they have given everyone a thermometer and instructed them to check their temp daily and if it is over a specified amount to report it to the medical centre.

Per media reporting the Japanese government is now considering testing everyone on board.

I have just read today that unless you have symptoms the test won't tell whether you have the virus or not. I guess that's why they didn't test everyone on the ship.
Still though if I was on that ship I would be terrified to be the next on the number list

 

[smmco]

Quarantine of suspect persons is a pubic health measure that has been considered valid for centuries, worldwide. It is rarely used on a large scale, especially forced quarantine. Maritime quarantine laws have also existed for some time and are in addition to the laws of local authorities.

They have now had multiple tranches of infected passengers. Separated by days. So if they had taken off the first 70 infected [which they did] and then let everyone else go, the 66 ID's yesterday would have been among the ones "let go", able to then spread it in the community. That is why they are all in quarantine until the incubation period (14 days) is over [except for close contacts of people who show up as infected during the incubation period, whose 14 day clock will restart].

See: https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/quarantine-stations-us.html

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html
Every nation or nearly so has a variation of quarantine laws at the national level, and many have additional legal provisions at other levels of government.

See also WHO International Health Regulations, (IHR), which WHO member countries agree to abide by. https://www.who.int/csr/ihr/WHA58-en.pdf especially sections article 27, 28, 31, 32, 40

See also https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/ihr/index.html and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4922046/

I have a feeling there will be deaths on the ship, but not from the coronavirus. You can name every alphabet soup organization out there and you will never convince me this is the right way to handle the situation.

 

[MrMichaelJames]

I have a feeling there will be deaths on the ship, but not from the coronavirus. You can name every alphabet soup organization out there and you will never convince me this is the right way to handle the situation.

I think you have watched too many movies

 

[smmco]

I think you have watched too many movies

Actually no, I hate Hollywood.

 

[atricks]

The captain announced 66 new cases (He sounds incredibly beat giving out the info)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226823363382906881

 

[Starwind]

I have just read today that unless you have symptoms the test won't tell whether you have the virus or not. I guess that's why they didn't test everyone on the ship.
Still though if I was on that ship I would be terrified to be the next on the number list

I dont think that is correct. There have been reported cases of people with no symptoms but testing positive. One of those is Alan Steele, who was a passenger on the ship who tested positive but has no symptoms. He was taken off and is now in hospital in Japan, still no symptoms but testing positive.

What seems to not be clear is if a person showing no symptoms is contagious -- ie. can they pass on the virus or not. With SARS, you didn't become contagious until you showed symptoms. But there are other diseases, like Measles, where you are contagious for a period before you show symptoms. From what I have read they haven't figured out for sure yet which way this particular coronavirus is working.

According to CNN, one of the reasons they have not yet tested everyone on the ship is the authorities don't have the lab capacity to do so.

SW

 

[Starwind]

The captain announced 66 new cases (He sounds incredibly beat giving out the info)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226823363382906881

Thank you for this. So, 66 new cases and they believe they were all exposed prior to the start of quarantine.

 

[Dreams&wishes]

I dont think that is correct. There have been reported cases of people with no symptoms but testing positive. One of those is Alan Steele, who was a passenger on the ship who tested positive but has no symptoms. He was taken off and is now in hospital in Japan, still no symptoms but testing positive.

What seems to not be clear is if a person showing no symptoms is contagious -- ie. can they pass on the virus or not. With SARS, you didn't become contagious until you showed symptoms. But there are other diseases, like Measles, where you are contagious for a period before you show symptoms. From what I have read they haven't figured out for sure yet which way this particular coronavirus is working.

According to CNN, one of the reasons they have not yet tested everyone on the ship is the authorities don't have the lab capacity to do so.

SW

Yes I'm aware of that case, so I was surprised as well. I have just read it on the guardian.

 

[Starwind]

I have a feeling there will be deaths on the ship, but not from the coronavirus. You can name every alphabet soup organization out there and you will never convince me this is the right way to handle the situation.

How would you propose they handle it ? The people have to be in quarantine somewhere. From a logistics standpoint, where would they put over 3000 people an land and how would they manage that ? Would the conditions actually be better than they are on ship ?

 

[Adventurelawyer]

I have a feeling there will be deaths on the ship, but not from the coronavirus. You can name every alphabet soup organization out there and you will never convince me this is the right way to handle the situation.

So this is a CIA conspiracy now?
Less 8chan.

 

[Starwind]

Yes I'm aware of that case, so I was surprised as well. I have just read it on the guardian.

Ah, so that speaks to the sensitivity of the rapid tests they are using. You have to have a minimum amount of the virus for the rapid test to detect it. So if you have very mild symptoms (or presumably none) you have not have enough of the virus in your system for the rapid test to detect it. The sicker you are, the more virus in your system to the more likely the test is to detect it.

But yes, it explains why mass testing people showing no symptoms is probably not very useful as it would miss cases of people whose viral load is just not (yet) high enough for the test.

 

[smmco]

So this is a CIA conspiracy now?
Less 8chan.

I'm not sure where you get the idea I'm referring to a conspiracy. I'm sure there are people on that ship with health concerns and issues not related to coronavirus. Some people do have chronic conditions and need regular medical care.

 

[Adventurelawyer]

I'm not sure where you get the idea I'm referring to a conspiracy. I'm sure there are people on that ship with health concerns and issues not related to coronavirus. Some people do have chronic conditions and need regular medical care.

Maybe reread your post.
to paraphrase

more deaths than from coronavirus

alphabet soup agencies

no facts will ever convince you otherwise

My bad though. I forget that people who believe in conspiracy theories don’t think they are conspiracy theories.

 

[smmco]

Maybe reread your post.
to paraphrase

more deaths than from coronavirus

alphabet soup agencies

no facts will ever convince you otherwise

My bad though. I forgit that people who believe in conspiracy theories don’t think they are conspiracy theories.

Has anyone on the ship died from Coronavirus? It is quite possible for there to be a death on a ship from some other medical issue. I don't think I'm out on a limb saying that. Alphabet soup agencies that's a phrase that's been around awhile when referring to all the different government agencies. You have to admit we have a lot of government agencies. Not an uncommon term to use. Never heard anyone take offense to it before.

 

[cvjw]

One person took 4 tests before they were confirmed to have the virus. The first 3 came back negative and they had the virus. I am glad that they are proactive and containing people who could be sick. The last thing we need is for thousands of potentially sick people being let back into society with no restrictions to infect other people. This could get out of hand very rapidly. If it only takes 1 infected person to pass it to 130+ other people, just do the math. Scary stuff.

 

[Dreams&wishes]

Sorry I just thought I would share this with you.
The #3UK case, who infected 5 people during his ski holiday in France, 2 in Spain and 4 people while being back in the UK. Flew back to the UK after having infected the 5 people in France, so obvuosiy he was infectious. Who knows how many he infected on the plane and in Gatwick Airport!

 

[Kennywood]

Man, this Coronavirus must getting serious.....

 

[Lisa F]

Maybe reread your post.
to paraphrase

more deaths than from coronavirus

alphabet soup agencies

no facts will ever convince you otherwise

My bad though. I forget that people who believe in conspiracy theories don’t think they are conspiracy theories.

I think all they are saying is that they don't think the quarantine is the right way to handle it and that it could ultimately result in deaths not related to coronavirus at all for people who have medical issues... what if someone has a heart attack and if they were at work right now they could get medical care quickly but could not get it very quickly on a quarantined ship and died because of the difficulty in a quick emergency response and access to high level medical facilities? Or if a diabetic has trouble modulating blood sugar? Stuff like that, not that the CIA is going to kill people. By alphabet soup agencies I read it as "no matter what the CDC or WHO says..." ie the experts, they still disagree that quarantine is the way to handle it... all of which you could argue with but I don't think they are saying what you think they are.

The only conspiracy type thing I've heard with this is that perhaps the point of the quarantine is not all about immediate public safety but also having a more controlled place to get a handle on how this thing spreads. Which is entirely possible, not cool for the guinea pigs who have no say in the matter but still not CIA assassinations on board a cruise ship

 

[Gentry2004]

I think all they are saying is that they don't think the quarantine is the right way to handle it and that it could ultimately result in deaths not related to coronavirus at all for people who have medical issues... what if someone has a heart attack and if they were at work right now they could get medical care quickly but could not get it very quickly on a quarantined ship and died because of the difficulty in a quick emergency response and access to high level medical facilities? wOr if a diabetic has trouble modulating blood sugar? Stuff like that, not that the CIA is going to kill people. By alphabet soup agencies I read it as "no matter what the CDC or WHO says..." ie the experts, they still disagree that quarantine is the way to handle it... all of which you could argue with but I don't think they are saying what you think they are.

The only conspiracy type thing I've heard with this is that perhaps the point of the quarantine is not all about immediate public safety but also having a more controlled place to get a handle on how this thing spreads. Which is entirely possible, not cool for the guinea pigs who have no say in the matter but still not CIA assassinations on board a cruise ship

While I agree that your explanation is likely what the prior poster was referring to regarding additional deaths, let's all remember that these passengers did voluntarily embark on a 14 day cruise to begin with and presumably believed they were healthy enough to do so without "access to high level medical facilities."

 

[MrMichaelJames]

While I agree that your explanation is likely what the prior poster was referring to regarding additional deaths, let's all remember that these passengers did voluntarily embark on a 14 day cruise to begin with and presumably believed they were healthy enough to do so without "access to high level medical facilities."

Plus to add more to this. They are sitting, docked in port! If someone were to have a heart attack you would rather have it at port instead of out at sea where no one can reach you. Medical professionals jobs are to help people. They swore an oath to do so. If something bad happened to a patient in a quarantined ship at port I would think they would be ready and probably already have contingencies on what to do. All of us sitting here are armchair quarterbacking it.