Elk Grove Chris
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Digging the trip report, great pictures Bret!
Beautiful decorations at JJJ and I love your pictures. I hope you're happy with that new lens and camera.
The snowflake on top of DL turnstiles....it looks smaller than the pumpkin characters. Is that the way it is?
The decorations are lovely. I like the snowflake. It is awesome that Tony Baxter got his name in a window. Those tiny details are so much fun to spot. When the boys get older, I want to make a point of explaining the importance of having your name in the window.
I really want to make it to JJJ. We never even walked by there in October, and I really wanted to see Conjure a Villain among other things. I think we need another trip next October just before our passes expire.
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Great updates Bret. Glad the rain didn't keep you away.
I really like that calendar. It seems like they are difficult to find? I'd love to pick one up. I like to place a calendar on the hidden side of the fridge and the attractions one would be so much more fun than our usual shift calendar for DH's job. Where do you think would be the best place for me to find it?
The photos are stunning. Thank you for sharing them.
Digging the trip report, great pictures Bret!
Bret --
I have a bunch of comments. I hope I remember all of them.
1. I saw your post over in the POTD thread, and -- as I always do -- had to giggle about your comment on the "ugly plastic trees" in Toontown!As you know, I am not a fan of the ugly plastic trees either. It does look like the little toy train or whatever it is next to the ugly tree is new? Yes? I don't recall seeing that little train before but I may have missed it.
2. I think I am the lone person who does not like the snowflake motif above the turnstiles!While the holidays at DLR generally win out over Halloween Time in terms of overall Resort-wide decor -- by a long shot -- the above-turnstile decor for Halloween Time is much better, I think. I've always thought the character pumpkins were adorable, and a great way to set the mood for Halloween.
That snowflake decoration just looks...cheap (to me). It's just boring. Why couldn't DLR have replicated the character pumpkin idea and put snowmen -- or snow characters -- above the entrance to DL? Or why not gingerbread characters? How about a nutcracker Mickey, reindeer Pluto, and an elf version of Donald? There is so much more that could be done with the holiday decor above the turnstiles instead of that snowflake mess.
3. Speaking of things I don't like in terms of holiday decor... I know you didn't make it over to the PPH to get photos of the tree, but when I finally saw a picture of this year's PPH tree I wasn't pleased. The beautiful color is still the same, but the decorators added in all of these seashells and surfboards and things around the bottom of the tree -- as well as a starfish tree topper and random netting draped around the tree -- and I think it makes everything look too cluttered. Also, all of that stuff at the bottom of the tree cuts the length of it down a bit (visually). They're trying too hard to tie in the tree with the surf/sand/sun theme of the PPH. Sometimes the DLR folks need to just leave well enough alone and not try to change every single thing. Certain things need to be changed. Others are fine as they are (like the old Toontown trees).
4. I was thrilled to see in your photos that there are some decorations in Fantasyland! I had no idea they were there! When I was there on 11/15 I could swear that those extra strands of garland were not up in FL -- and, in fact, I think that Jamie just said in the Superthread that Fantasyland was lacking in decorations so I assumed it was business as usual this year. Even one or two strands of garland in FL is big news to me!I may have overlooked it when I was photographing the Frozen meet & greet, but I tend to think that the garland didn't pop up in FL until after I was there. I suppose I would have noticed the FL decorations next week, but now I know for sure that I have to make a point to look for them!
5. There was also some extra garland up in Pacific Wharf -- on the Ghirardelli facade -- this year! I have to assume you saw it. First the Winter Village and ESPN Zone wreaths, then Hollywood Land, then Fantasyland, Adventureland, Pacific Wharf -- Disney is going wild with the holiday overlays all of a sudden! I love it! This is what I have been hoping for -- decorations everywhere. I don't like being fully immersed in holiday splendor in one land, then another land, then another...and then find nothing of any kind in the next land! It takes me out of the whole holiday experience. I like it to be a fluid, continuous, enveloping holiday experience.
If you tell me that you saw any kinds of holiday decorations on the Condor Flats facades or Tomorrowland facades, I might. I think those lands are the last 2 -- the only 2 -- left without any holiday touches of any kind (not counting any merchandise in the shops). This year, every other land but those 2 has some sort of holiday decor.
6. I know that you will talk about this in your TR down the road, but I'm not sure if you will get to it or if I will have time to read that installment of the TR before I head off for my own trip on Sunday.
So I will ask now -- did you get your miniature souvenir Jingle Cruise poster outside of Jingle Cruise, or were they already all gone? I was reminded of it when looking at your photo of the large poster above. I know that the mini-posters are being given out at some location or another to people getting off of Jingle Cruise, and they are in limited supply. I have already been on Jingle Cruise and I don't think the posters had even been printed at that point, so I didn't get one on 11/15. I am willing to make that my first ride of the day (and of the trip) on Sunday if I can nab one of those posters! I am so afraid they are going to be out of stock and that I will miss out on getting one. (I didn't even get a free blue Frozen ornament, even though those were being given out on 11/15. By the time I realized they were being handed out, I think the ornaments had all been given away.)
7. I like the Jingle Jangle Jamboree (and the Halloween Carnival). In fact, did you see the photo I posted in the Superthread a few days ago, of the hidden Mickey at the JJJ? ...But I felt that something was missing from the JJJ this year. I can't figure out what. Do you know what I mean? Did it feel like something was missing to you? There seemed to be more space to walk around so it felt a bit empty. Maybe they cut down on some of the Reindeer Games? Something was different.
Also, Santa seems to sometimes be outside at the JJJ, posing for photos, and then other times he moves into that dark little cabin (even on non-rainy days). If the CMs were going to just randomly move him back inside the cabin here and there, they may as well have just kept Santa in the cabin and never moved him outside. That's where he always was at the old Reindeer Round-Up...in the cabin. I think that some people may go there, hoping to have a certain backdrop for their Santa photos, only to realize that Santa has moved and the picture will look different.
Bret --
Thank you for mentioning the Dateline article! I quickly went to it so I could further assess the PPH tree decorations. It is actually worse than I thought!Kathy/ksromack posted a photo of the tree in the Superthread the other day but I didn't get the full scope of all of the new ornaments and knick knacks on the tree until I saw the Dateline photos.
I really have no problem with "themed" trees and themed decorations at all. I embrace all of the masks in New Orleans Square, as well as the tires and hubcaps in Cars Land, and the wreaths made out of wood and straw in Frontierland. I like that Disney is trying to go with a particular theme for the PPH tree. I just think it's too "busy." It's too cluttered. They put too much stuff on the tree and under the tree, and it takes away from the beauty of the blue-green lights. I think that if the new ornaments were a little smaller, and if the seashells and surfboards under the tree were just a little smaller, that would make a big difference.
I will see the tree in person this weekend and will see if my mind changes on it. It's certainly not as horrible as the change in Toontown trees (from festive and colorful to ugly and plastic), but it is a change that didn't need to be made!
I knew that the Jingle Cruise mini-posters were available only for a short time but I don't think I realized they were only available for one weekend! I really can't believe that Disney didn't print enough of those to hand out for at least a few weeks -- just to commemorate the first year of the Jingle Cruise. I think that was a mistake on their part. I don't know of anyone who actually got one of those posters.
Now in the case of Jingle Cruise, I think we all knew it wouldn't be an extensive overlay because the ride did not have to close. When the rides have to close we know the overlays are substantial. However, the holiday touches along the downstairs part of the queue are minimal, and we can only go upstairs and see the rest of the decorations if the line is really long. So we either end up missing some of the added holiday decor (which is not much to begin with), or we have to wait in a long line to see it. I don't think the whole thing was very well planned.
And the Jingle Cruise boats themselves are barely decorated. This is one case in which I think the Enhancement Team could stand to do more with the holiday overlay, and not less (unlike the PPH tree!).
Catching up on your TR. I'm with Sherry on the snowflakes at the turnstiles.
Me too. Seems a bit sparse for Christmas decorations on top of the turnstiles compared to what they put out for Halloween.
Bret,
Great pictures of the JJJ!
TK
Love the details you captured. Thanks for sharing.![]()
Even with the ugly plastic trees, I think Toontown looks amazing during the holidays. We haven't been there in years but already told my family that they've got to give me at least 15 minutes to check it out and take photos. It's so jolly!
I'm with Jenny. Even though they are ugly plastic trees, Toontown looks awesome all gussied up with Christmas things.
And I love those wreaths. Wonderful.
I think I remember those; especially the first one from my trip in 2008.
Yes, if you're used to seeing those gorgeous trees, then the ugly plastic ones are just ugly plastic trees.![]()
Great pictures of Toontown! I'm enjoying your trip report.
TK
Bret --
Another round of festive, lovely photos!
I was giggling the whole time while reading your comments about the ugly plastic trees!As you are well aware, I am in full agreement with you about the trees. I think the problem is that we vividly remember the older trees (and the old light strands/canopy in NOS, and the old wreath with the crescent moon-headed jester figure sitting in it, etc.), and a lot of casual holiday visitors, or other people who don't go into Toontown, would never really notice a difference in trees. If we had never seen the older (good) trees or paid much attention to them, we wouldn't be so annoyed with the ugly plastic trees now!
Then again, a lot of people don't tour DLR like we (you and I) do. Even though you are with your DA and other people a lot of the time on your trips, you also make a point of going off on solo photo sprees -- it's important to you to do that -- so as you're taking those photos you pay a lot attention to the details of those decorations and details of the general environment/landscape from year to year.
As you know, that's what I do as well -- wander around by myself for hours or days on end, taking photos. On the subject of Toontown -- heck, one of the first things I noticed when Mint Crocodile posted some 2013 DLR holiday photos on the mintcrocodile site (and this was before I was at DLR on 11/15) was that Roger Rabbit was positioned differently in the wreath above Car Toon Spin! In the past Roger has been turned to the side. This year he is facing forward/straight ahead. Do I think that too many other people noticed the same thing? Probably not.
Whenever we get to Toontown Theme Week in the Theme Week Countdown each year, I am always surprised at the number of folks who say they never noticed certain things in Toontown, or that they never even go back to Toontown! Liza is one of them -- she said that she never really goes back there. I'm always excited to get to Toontown Theme Week because I know that at least a couple of us will have photos to share...but Toontown seems to yield one of the lowest turnouts for photo contributions in the Theme Week Countdowns (often with the fewest participants), especially this year. People are just not paying enough attention to the holiday decorations in that land, and they are missing one of the best areas for themed, whimsical holiday details!
So I think that when we do get a lot of solo time to kind of roam free and find interesting photo subjects around DLR, we tend to be more impressed or unimpressed with even subtle changes to things, whereas other folks who don't get that time won't notice much of a difference or care.
I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in being indifferent to the underwhelming snowflake motif above the turnstiles!I remember a comment someone else made about those snowflakes a couple of years ago -- she said that the snowflakes have no connection to any of the decor inside DL, unlike the character pumpkins, which are connected to the giant Mickey pumpkin in Town Square, and then the pumpkins along Main Street. There is a certain continuity there.
The snowflakes. however, are not continued in anything else or in any other decorations along Main Street -- not that I want that to happen -- so they seem detached from all of the other wonderful decor. The fact that Frozen is out this year and there's a snow-covered meet & greet spot for it in FL is just convenient timing...but as we all know, those pesky snowflakes above the turnstiles were there way before Frozen ever existed.
I'm going to meet Kim/kmedina in 3 days, at DCA!She'll be on her way out as I'm on my way in, but at least we'll meet.