OT: the PC Party volunteer just called me a s**t disturber!!

[Scornelius]

I can't believe it! I think I'll be wearing this one as a badge of honour for a while!

A volunteer for the PC party just called asking for my support in the October 10th election, and I told her I'd like to know the party's stance on nuclear energy before I chose who I'm voting for. So, she started telling me things that I knew were wrong, so I kept asking more questions. (I wont get into the details here, but if you'd like to know why I think there has to be more of an investment in nuclear power, I'd be happy to answer any questions!) So, the woman finally says 'my, you're just a little s**t distuber, aren't you??' I came back with, 'well, you can call me that, or an informed voter. Whichever you prefer'.
God, I love election time, don't you??

 

[TheRealDoraExplorer]

That's AWESOME.

Man, I miss Canada.

 

[drag n' fly]

That's hilarious! Good for you for calling them on it!

 

[petbren]

I can't believe it! I think I'll be wearing this one as a badge of honour for a while!

A volunteer for the PC party just called asking for my support in the October 10th election, and I told her I'd like to know the party's stance on nuclear energy before I chose who I'm voting for. So, she started telling me things that I knew were wrong, so I kept asking more questions. (I wont get into the details here, but if you'd like to know why I think there has to be more of an investment in nuclear power, I'd be happy to answer any questions!) So, the woman finally says 'my, you're just a little s**t distuber, aren't you??' I came back with, 'well, you can call me that, or an informed voter. Whichever you prefer'.
God, I love election time, don't you??

Got a though on the Liberal Parties stance on Nuclear
Since the party line on "closing all coal fired generating stations by 2007" didn't quite work out for them, do they even have an idea (or should I say an idea for another broken promise) this time.
I totally agree on the investment in nuclear power, but that's not going to happen real soon. The PC party at least has a thought on what to do in the meantime.

 

[eleanor]

I am sorry ,but one thing that I liked about the canadian board was that we didn't start anything political. Now i guess I'll leave .

 

[digskat]

the thing is, you are supposed to be a moron, under Canadian election laws. The parties make their pitches, praying that you know absolutely nothing about the topic.

The PCs ads are targetting soft on crime, stating that a certain percentage of murderers, committed the act, after being released on parole from previous murder/rape/armed robbery charges. What they fail to mention, is these are all Federal offences, and the criminal would have been in a federal facility, run by federal PO staff, and the sentences would have falled before federal judges. The Youth Criminal Justice Act, is also federally controlled, with only care and control being a provincial issue.
The PCs are also promissing to cut $1.5 billion from Public services, hoping we forgot Walkerton, Aylmer, etc. The previous Tories, decimated our public services, cutting 30 000 jobs, including 80% of meat inspectors, all produce inspectors, provincial lab techs, etc. The cupboards are already bare. The sold the assets Ontario Hydro, and gave huge severance packages to outgoing execs, and now hydro has increased 30% in 5 years.
The PCs are also mentioning the Libs granting of a 27% raise for MPPs, failing to mention they initiated the process, and provided the background information (and incredibly voted 100% in favour of it).

The Liberals are bragging about balancing the budget, and cleaning up the debt, but don't mention the hidden health tax, and broken promises. The Liberals bragging about cutting coal power, yet they are buying the same from the USA.

The NDP one minute complains about the cost of living and high prices, then wants to raise the minmum wage another $1.50/hr. A small business that employs 10 workers a day, would see a hit of $31200/year. Guess where the money would be made up.

The Family Coalition Party (Christian Heritage Party) talks about family values and pro-life, then throws out the idea that all labour laws that hinder new business should be abolished. No minimum wage= worker abuse. No environmental restrictions= environmental damage. No guaranteed vacation, no maximum work days, lower wages= less time with family. A religious based party, that spouts totalitarian policies.

The Green Party wants to create an additional 2% tax on fuels, and claim to be pro-farmer/get back to nature/pro-rural. How do the farmers get to their fields, get their crops off, get them to market, get by? With fuel powered tractors, combines, trucks, etc. The profit line is slim as it is, and an additional couple thousand dollars in taxes will kill small farms. Pro-rural? 90% of their plans, are at the expense of rural Ontario, and drawn up in Urban centres. Buses don't exist in small towns, and I don't see myself walking the 5 miles to work.

It is sad that in this election, it isn't vote for the best party, but vote for the least repulsive.

 

[petbren]

I am sorry ,but one thing that I liked about the canadian board was that we didn't start anything political. Now i guess I'll leave .

Are your going to take all your toys with you too
What's the matter, you like the majority of the population that doesn't like to have to think........"just do it so it's good", as my mother-in-law use to say.
You don't want to think about the issues concerning the governing of your country, just don't read the offensive political threads.

Have a Disney day.

 

[Debbie]

That's a bit harsh, petbren. The lack of political sparring IS what keeps the Canadian board, Canadian. I don't think that that means we don't talk about it, but that we do it in a manner that respects all of our ideas. When I don't agree with comments that people make, I usually just ignore them. I don't need to MAKE others feel the same way that I do.

Eleanor, I'm sorry that you can't see the value of talking about the issues. But don't go away-you've been here for ages! Just pass on by.

Kathy, you've hit the nail on the head! Knowing where the parties stand on all of the issures, remembering their past records-Common Sense Revolution, Rae Days, Peterson's boasting and ignoring the masses-help to keep us in focus. I think that, along with voting the "least repulsive", it will be voting on that one issue that has each person fired up about. My DD is a Green girl, and when I pointed out one issue that might change her mind (playing devil's advocate-I love that she is taking responsibility for learning aobut the issues, even when she can't vote), her response was, I guess that I would have to live with that. Good for her! I'm NOT Green, don't agree with all of the policies of my chosen party, but have reasons to vote the way that I will-stability in my workplace (yes, that would make me 'self-serving') environment, compassion for others with fiscal responsibilities. But those are my deal makers. Don't have to be yours, but DO know how your candidates stand!

I LOVE the advance voting opportunities, though! How many of you have already voted at your LOCAL advance poll??

 

[digskat]

actually, it's the DH this time. I am the political animal.

I noticed today, that the PCs changed their ads on crime.... it now states that 7/10 people who committed murder in Toronto were out on bail or parole when they committed the offence. It no longer states that they were on bail/parole for a crime such as murder/rape/attempted murder, etc. I guess someone informed them that these were federal issues.

You have to educate yourself on the issues, since the parties tend to use the past as excuses for slamming each other. All of our major parties spend millions on propaganda machines, that look for quick hits to sway a vote. Our last election was a favourite of mine, when Els boasted about how much money his party had put into healthcare in the previous year, but what he omitted, was that they had removed 5x that from the system the previous 6 years. The 'honourable' David Tsubouchi, their cabinet Minister in charge of Community and Social Services, said welfare mothers had 3 months to get a job, before he cut 22% of their income, and stated that if they didn't have money to eat, they could haggle grocery stores for dented cans of tuna (even quoting 69c as a goal cost). He stated that they had to cut the waste...then voted in favour of a personal 42% raise (later instated as a 27%). He gave a sample menu for those on social assistance (which had less nutritional value than meals at Canadian jails), while he racked up one of the 5 highest MPP allowances of all of the Cabinet Ministers.

Eleanor- There are a dozen posts here a day, not all of which I agree with, not all of which interest me. You control what you read, if it doesn't interest you...skip it, read a topic that does. Politics do interest me, and discussion on them is helpful, and hopefully informative. As long as no one turns to personal attacks/insults, this is a good place to share experiences, inside knowledge, affects of political action. I am sure there are single mothers here that cringe at Tsubouchi's name. Civil Servants that were kicked in the teeth by 'Rae Days', people affected by Walkerton and Aylmer, people who question the 30% spike in hydro costs, people who wonder why their road is the last to get plowed, and people who feel over taxed. To stay away from the Provincial election..... DO you wonder why it costs 40% more to buy a book in Canada? Why it costs 25% more for a new car? 20% more for gas? The products are being made here, shipped there, and sold cheaper.

 

[Tantor]

Since the party line on "closing all coal fired generating stations by 2007" didn't quite work out for them, do they even have an idea (or should I say an idea for another broken promise) this time.

My Dh works in the electricity industry and had a HUGE laugh when they promised this.....even by 2009, 10, 11 or whatever they are promising now is iffy.

 

[digskat]

Would the PC party's plan involve privitization, high buyouts, purchasing power from the States, and de-regulization? Since that worked so well for us a few years back. I love the 30% spike in costs.....

Seriously though, Nuclear power is the route to take, and they have reinstated reactors at Bruce Nuclear, so it is going in the right direction. Yes the Liberals have broken promises; 'no new taxes', 'no coal-fired power', 'reverse privitization', 'return succession rights to civil servants', etc. But Harris was full of little hidden fallacies, funded golf courses for friends in his riding, spent millions to move government offices to his riding, hidden tax breaks for pro sports franchises, huge raises for MPPs, selling off our assets to his buddies, to 'balance' his budget (then wondering why there is no money coming in). My favourite..."We have saved $100 000 per day, having our public employees on the picket line", then the bills came in, and the truth was told......managers were paid double their wages, 24 hours per day (whether at work or not), for the 8 weeks. The bribed inmates with extra food, candy, soft drinks, ect. They provided movies for them to watch, extra clothing, whatever they wanted. The cost was an extra $10 000 per day, and the people who suffered were the folks who wanted to get marriage licences, death certificates, property assesments, land registries, etc.....

As I have said, it isn't just the PCs.
A recent (1-2 years) boast......'we have more nurses in school now....', unfortunately there are still limitted fulltime jobs for them, there are more in school, because you changed it from a 3 year college course, to a 4 year university course, meaning you had a year where there were no graduating nurses, and it there is now an additional years worth in the class, not on the floor.
We have had 11 years with 2 parties and 3 leaders......we still have a doctor shortage, we still are under-funded in the class room (over-funded in administration), our hydro fees have skyrocketed, gas has gone up $0.25/L, we have a toll highway (that we pay into, and make nothing from), and we are the highest taxed province in Canada (both income and sales). Our major parties have promissed to fix the province....all they have done is make themselves wealthy.

In 1995 the average worker made $62 000/yr, his MPP $78 000
In 2007 the average income is $68 000, an MPP $110 000+


Tory has already stated unlike Hampton, he will NOT rollback MPP wages. Our MPP's are in the top5% in wages, our Premier the top 2%.

 

[petbren]

That's a bit harsh, petbren.

I didn't mean disrespect to anyone, complacency is my problem.

You have to educate yourself on the issues, since the parties tend to use the past as excuses for slamming each other.

My point exactly.

Eleanor- There are a dozen posts here a day, not all of which I agree with, not all of which interest me. You control what you read, if it doesn't interest you...skip it, read a topic that does. Politics do interest me, and discussion on them is helpful, and hopefully informative.

I love it when people are informed, or actually have an opinion, especially women, who are often portrayed as just going about their daily business(child rearing, cleaning, etc), and not really interested in things like that.

Civil Servants that were kicked in the teeth by 'Rae Days',

Funny how even my best friend, the nurse, tends to forget it was Rae, not Harris who cut back her hours during his time in government.

 

[eleanor]

Yes, you did mean to disrespect someone. You would not have used the language that you did other wise. Start a canadian political board. I don't know any of you personally ,so your political opinions are just that. I don't care what party that you vote for,I can read all I want to know in the papers or go to a candidates meeting. Bye BYe.

 

[digskat]

Yes, you did mean to disrespect someone. You would not have used the language that you did other wise. Start a canadian political board. I don't know any of you personally ,so your political opinions are just that. I don't care what party that you vote for,I can read all I want to know in the papers or go to a candidates meeting. Bye BYe.

Now who is being rude? How is politics different from shopping, hockey, travel, or concerts? Why should anyone wishing to discuss this, be asked to start their own board? If you don't want to read it, DON"T.

 

[petbren]

Now who is being rude? How is politics different from shopping, hockey, travel, or concerts? Why should anyone wishing to discuss this, be asked to start their own board? If you don't want to read it, DON"T.

Thanks for your support Digskat,
Didn't I say I didn't mean to offend

I see the "I guess I"ll have to leave the Canadian forum" threat held up.

Bye,Bye

.........whatever.

Any more political thought, I for one would like to hear any, and all.

 

[Csaks]

The hole pack of them are a bunch of Self-serving Liars. Out of touch with the real world and only interested in what will get them re-elected in four years and not interested in the long term health of this country, province or city they represent. The sad part is I have to pick the best of the worst and hope that they are not peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
It's not a duty anymore, it's a job and they will say almost anything to keep it.
I'm getting to sinical in my old age, it's a darn good thing we are going to Disney soon!

Chris.

 

[digskat]

no, you are not cynical, you are educated in politics. I love the analogy, peeing on the leg...have to remember that one. I started watching election campaigns in highschool, but really got interested during the 'non-sense' revolution. I have watched municipal politics, provincial, and lately federal a litle closer. Last provincial election, I led an information picket at my local MPP's (PC) office, hoping to discuss a local issue, but she decided to exit through a back door, avoiding us. She refused to answer requests for media interviews, public discussion, etc.
I went to a labour rally, because 2 candidates (Lib and NDP) were there, and was disgusted to find out the NDP gentleman couldn't answer the question, and even got confused when I asked about the party stance. I ended up voting Liberal, to get the PC MPP out. The Lib candidate promissed to have an open office, to be willing to speak to her constituents, to be involved locally. A month after being elected, she closed her office, and moved it 20 miles away, to her home town. A year after the election, she ignored several calls and e-mails, choosing to toe the party line, at the expense of her riding.


They will tell you anything to get in, but once there.......it is all about $ and staying in.

 

[TreesyB]

It is sad that in this election, it isn't vote for the best party, but vote for the least repulsive.

Isn't that how it always is?

And I would vote NDP if it weren't for Howard Hampton. Wish they could find a more appealing candidate.

And our local PC candidate tagged our street with his signs. I was offended. No one asked me if he could post a sign on my yard, it just appeared. What should I do with said sign? Although that part of the yard is on public property, since I do upkeep the yard, I think candidates shouldn't be able to post signs just cuz they were driving by. Nasty!

 

[Thumper_ehhhhh]

I was talking to both Lib and pc ppl. I asked them one question. How much of your canadates promisses are going to be kept? Then said i doubt very little. I then said goodbys and hung up.

 

[NARM Forever]

I can't understand Eleanor. No-one on this thread has expressed any real feeling towards any party, in fact they've expressed a lot of cons for each party and have certainly raised some issues that I had not thought of. I agree that I will vote for the least repulsive. Education is a big issue for us, we have a child with special ed needs and little resources in the classrooms. If the PC get in, I'll be starting "The Religious Order of the Special Needs" Someone raised a good point about minimum wage, I am a partner in a small business and wages are the main expenditure, we are already only just breaking even, it would almost put us at breaking point. Still thinking about this so thank you for your input.

NARM