OT - Athletic Recruiting/Scholarships?

The two websites we were given were the NCAA Eligibility Clearinghouse, which comes with a $75 fee (and I trust), and the NCSA, which gives a LOT of information but I do not see anywhere where there is a fee to pay to create a profile? I just do not want to head down a direction that is unnecessary. Do you have any info about those, or remember hearing about that organization from when your son played? My nature is to be suspicious LOL

The Eligibility Center is not a recruitment tool to get his name out there, it is about determining eligibility to play based on academics/amateurism rules. As a hs guidance counselor and a former admission counselor who worked with athletes at a DI school, I would say there is no need to register until the junior year. After the 6th semester (end of junior year) will the NCAA begin to look to see if a student will be eligible to participate as a freshman in college (assuming SAT/ACT scores are on file by that point).
 
I believe attending the free Nike camp will get you a free profile. You do not have to pay for it. I know people who have gone on to pay for their services that have done very well with them and others, like ourselves, that have conquered the recruiting process on our own. Let me add that it can become a full time job and throughout the last two years, my son and his father work on football recruiting at least a few times a week. They update his profile, add film, email coaches and plan visits and camps. Set up and email account that you use specifically for emailing colleges and coaches and make sure it has a professional sounding name, not some "teenager" handle.

As far as protein drinks, my son uses the GNC pro performance AMP system. He uses a pre workout, protein shake and a vitamin pack. You MUST drink a lot of water when you add protein as not to stress your kidneys and you MUST be actively working out seriously. so as a parent it is important that you monitor this as you would any other activity that could have potential health dangers. He used the Pro Source Gaspari system in the past, but likes the flavors of the GNC better. Just make sure whatever you use is not packed with sugars because this just causes energy surges and dips.

As far as weight gain, muscle gain and height, you can do the best you can health wise and hope for the best. With height, you roll the dice. I would LOVE for my son to be a few inches taller. College coaches have told him if he was taller, they would offer him a scholarship. They can be very blunt. At a true 6'1 he is undersized for an offensive lineman and even a defensive lineman. He works hard at keeping muscle weight on his frame because he wants to be strong, not fat. He snacks often throughout the day, nuts, fruit etc. He gets more sleep than most teenagers because he knows how important it is for optimum performance. Tell your son to research Philadelphia Eagle's Shady McCoy and coach Chip Kelly and the effect of sleep on his performance. It helps when I reference this when telling my son to put down the phone and get some rest. As kids mature, they will get bigger and stronger naturally so if they work hard along with it, it will happen. My two oldest boys continued to grow in college. You really never know.

Believe it or not, here in NJ, it is not unheard of for parents to make sure their kids are the optimum age to be playing high school sports. Sometimes that means they start them later for kindergarten. Sometimes it means they repeat eighth grade at a private school after eight years in public before entering high school. Players switch schools to play for better programs, whether it be parochial or public. It happens a lot. It use to really bother me, but now I kinda get it and only wish that maybe we had done this to help our kids have an advantage.

I will answer more questions if you have them later. Actually am off to a game. Last high school game EVER. SOB!!
 
Go to studentssports.com and sign up for a notification for the 2015 schedule of Sparq dates. That way you won't miss your local dates. Its a piece of the recruiting puzzle that other players sometimes miss.
 
My sister was an excellent diver as well as swimmer. She got at least 18 letters of interest and never attended any camps or registered on websites. She did get a ton of coverage locally in the newspaper with articles, as well as a TV spot for an award. She likely would have receiver more had she replied and expressed interest. Sadly, she had a very injured back, as well as needing double surgery on her shoulders.

Not sure if football works differently. It was easier for her to stand out, since diving and swimming is easy to see talent individually.
 

I believe attending the free Nike camp will get you a free profile. You do not have to pay for it. I know people who have gone on to pay for their services that have done very well with them and others, like ourselves, that have conquered the recruiting process on our own. Let me add that it can become a full time job and throughout the last two years, my son and his father work on football recruiting at least a few times a week. They update his profile, add film, email coaches and plan visits and camps. Set up and email account that you use specifically for emailing colleges and coaches and make sure it has a professional sounding name, not some "teenager" handle.

As far as protein drinks, my son uses the GNC pro performance AMP system. He uses a pre workout, protein shake and a vitamin pack. You MUST drink a lot of water when you add protein as not to stress your kidneys and you MUST be actively working out seriously. so as a parent it is important that you monitor this as you would any other activity that could have potential health dangers. He used the Pro Source Gaspari system in the past, but likes the flavors of the GNC better. Just make sure whatever you use is not packed with sugars because this just causes energy surges and dips.

As far as weight gain, muscle gain and height, you can do the best you can health wise and hope for the best. With height, you roll the dice. I would LOVE for my son to be a few inches taller. College coaches have told him if he was taller, they would offer him a scholarship. They can be very blunt. At a true 6'1 he is undersized for an offensive lineman and even a defensive lineman. He works hard at keeping muscle weight on his frame because he wants to be strong, not fat. He snacks often throughout the day, nuts, fruit etc. He gets more sleep than most teenagers because he knows how important it is for optimum performance. Tell your son to research Philadelphia Eagle's Shady McCoy and coach Chip Kelly and the effect of sleep on his performance. It helps when I reference this when telling my son to put down the phone and get some rest. As kids mature, they will get bigger and stronger naturally so if they work hard along with it, it will happen. My two oldest boys continued to grow in college. You really never know.

Believe it or not, here in NJ, it is not unheard of for parents to make sure their kids are the optimum age to be playing high school sports. Sometimes that means they start them later for kindergarten. Sometimes it means they repeat eighth grade at a private school after eight years in public before entering high school. Players switch schools to play for better programs, whether it be parochial or public. It happens a lot. It use to really bother me, but now I kinda get it and only wish that maybe we had done this to help our kids have an advantage.

I will answer more questions if you have them later. Actually am off to a game. Last high school game EVER. SOB!!

Oh! :sad: I hated knowing it was the last game of youth football last year when my son was in 8th grade - the last high school game is going to wreck me LOL Football is unlike any other sport, emotion-wise...at least in my experience! What a journey!

DS always played the line as a kid, but after he grew and thinned out, he now wants to focus on end and outside linebacker, so he will still need to be tall, but not as thick. We will see what happens. Thanks for the advice on the protein shakes - I stand in the aisles and am totally lost!

We talked to a NCSA recruiter yesterday and it is anywhere between $700-$2500 to sign with them!!!??? Holy cow. I don't even know if DS will grow past 5'10" yet!! We decided to hold off on that until a year from now, and if DS has a great season next year and grows into a size that will support a possible D1 or D2 school, we will think about it then. I think we would be able to handle him getting a shot at a D3 or local college on our own. Until then, the recruiter gave us a whole bunch of advice and tips for DS - he will join track in the spring to work on some of his speed times and continue to hit the weight room this winter and spring.

The recruiter also defined the different types of camps and which types would be most beneficial, and also said to be sure to do the Sparq combines, so we will def sign up for those. He talked about emailing the coaches/staff of the schools DS is interested in, and how to put together a highlight video. and much more.

This will definitely be a process! We had a long talk with DS last night and told him that he would need to realize that if he truly wants to take this as far as he can go, there will be sacrifices along the way involving his free time, family vacations, and other activities he may not have time for. And that he needs to understand that this is completely his choice with no pressure from us and, while eventually there will be a semi-firm "no turning back now' point, if he ever thinks it is too much or he loses his passion, he has to tell us and we can work it out together.

As for the last part - I completely understand what you are saying. We lived in MI for the first 10 years of DS's life before moving to IL, and the date cutoff to enter Kindergarten was Dec 1. DS was always the size of kids two years older than him, so he towered over his fellow Kindergartners even though he was one of the younger ones with an end of June birthday. Then we moved out to IL, where the date cutoff is Sept 1st. He stayed bigger than most of his classmates until about 7th grade when all of the kids 18 mo-2 years older than him IN THE SAME GRADE!!!! hit their growth spurts and DS was still only a "little kid". This really impacted him in 7th grade when he was playing "up" with 14 year old 8th graders in youth football, but I think that the challenge made him reevaluate his technique, so I guess it wasn't the worst thing! He is the youngest player on his team this year, and by far not the biggest, thus his change of positions from the interior line to the ends.

Had I known then that we would be moving to a new state, I might have kept DS back too. Not because of sports (who would have known at the time?!), but because the maturity level of a 13 1/2 year old 7th grader is just THAT much more advanced than my poor kid who was just barely 12! And, age-wise, there are many more current 8th graders right now that are closer to DS's age than kids in his own grade. 65% of 9th graders in our school were born in 1999 - DS was born 1/2 way through 2000.
 
As far as protein drinks, my son uses the GNC pro performance AMP system. He uses a pre workout, protein shake and a vitamin pack. You MUST drink a lot of water when you add protein as not to stress your kidneys and you MUST be actively working out seriously. so as a parent it is important that you monitor this as you would any other activity that could have potential health dangers. He used the Pro Source Gaspari system in the past, but likes the flavors of the GNC better. Just make sure whatever you use is not packed with sugars because this just causes energy surges and dips.

As far as weight gain, muscle gain and height, you can do the best you can health wise and hope for the best. With height, you roll the dice. I would LOVE for my son to be a few inches taller. College coaches have told him if he was taller, they would offer him a scholarship. They can be very blunt. At a true 6'1 he is undersized for an offensive lineman and even a defensive lineman. He works hard at keeping muscle weight on his frame because he wants to be strong, not fat. He snacks often throughout the day, nuts, fruit etc. He gets more sleep than most teenagers because he knows how important it is for optimum performance. Tell your son to research Philadelphia Eagle's Shady McCoy and coach Chip Kelly and the effect of sleep on his performance. It helps when I reference this when telling my son to put down the phone and get some rest. As kids mature, they will get bigger and stronger naturally so if they work hard along with it, it will happen. My two oldest boys continued to grow in college. You really never know.

Ah, if only we'd have realized ds would end up being 6'5 (6'6?) and 225+ lbs we may have started him playing football as a young kid. He did play a few downs on Varsity ("played" 9th, 10th and 12th grades) and absolutely loves football, but wants to transfer to another school that has a football team (his does not but is considering it, possibly while he is still attending...which I'm sure he would try out for). He also does all the weight-lifting and workouts, drinks protein shakes, eats very healthy (for the most part), etc. He would actually love to become a Personal Trainer, I think. We do try to temper the encouragement with the reality though. Yeah, he may be able to play some football, not at DI, but possibly at his school or another DIII level school.
 
It's still a little early to do too much right now because you don't know how/when your son will grow. And size is the name of the game in football. My nephew was scouted by many D1 colleges thru his junior year, but stopped growing and the scouts stopped calling. You really need to see what size he will be at junior and more importantly his senior year in h.s. Good luck!
 
I have two close family members who play college football currently. You can PM any questions you have, and I can try to answer them. One is playing Division II football right now finishing his senior year, the other is currently starting safety (true sophomore) at a B1G school. :-) I can tell you both of their experiences. Definately a big big difference between DI and DII. D II teams aren't allowed as many scholarships as DIs are. Has your HS coach had a lot of experience with this? Some colleges have good relationships with certain coaches, especially in the area if the HS team is perenially strong. His HS coach and staff were great about helping with his highlight reel and getting his name outt here, and his dad had lots of resources as the head trainer for the football program at their local DII school. I will tell you that with the one who became a Husker, they did not pay for recruiting sites, and they actually did not market him heavily. He did a few camps and the such and was ranked a 3 star by the services. He also lived in S. Dakota. We were told if he had been from about anywhere else in the country (or if he had done lots or camps and really spent the time and $$$ marketing himself) he would have been a 4 star. There are people that spend the time and $$ to travel to TONS of camps and weekends and such and that is what I think of when people talk about spending money to be recruited. That can also help with your stars. He was the star of his HS team (played varsity all 4 years) and his team won the state championship 3 out of the 4 years he was there. He actually didn't get a lot of notice from schools through football until he dropped baseball his Freshman year and did track. It was his speed that got him noticed. He ran a 40 in 4.42. His parents did pay for a private speed coach for him, and they consider that worth every penny. The track tip is his #1 advice to kids in HS, but that won't help as much on the line. Our coaches talk a lot recently about wrestling helping kids on the line, and their top 2 last recruits were both star wrestlers as well.

To give you an idea, as a 3 star who did very little "marketing" of himself, by his Jr year had offers from MN, Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan State, Illinois, Purdue, Arizona State, Iowa State and a slew of DII schools. In general, the lower level B1G teams had the interest. He got the Michigan State offer because the new coordinator they had just hired came from the in-state school that his brother played at. Without that connection, I'm not sure he'd have gotten that offer. He really wanted Neb. Close to home, it was his childhood dream school, and he really liked the coaches. Once they offered, he committed before his senior season and never took another visit and never waivered on his commitment. Had he had sights set on a different school he may have persued it more but there was no reason to in his mind. He was VERY glad to have finally committed. The calls and constant contact from all the coaches got overwhelming at times. Many dinners interrupted by phone calls. He wanted to enjoy his senior year without all the drama. I mentioned he was getting offers from the Iowas and MNs of the B1G. His Neb. offer was actually funny. He was first invited to what was basically a combine at Neb. that was only in-state kids, and him. They'd been saying they knew he was "S. Dakota fast" (he won state titles) but wanted to see how he compared to kids they'd already identified as the top talent in their state. He started at the broad jump. Lined up, and he out-jumped their measuring tape. At that point, all attention went to him, and he had a crowd following him the rest of the day. He was named MVP of that weekend. :-) His offer came right after that. He has a good highlight reel, but for him, his sheer athleticism and the numbers and performances at things like the combine are what sets him apart and got him noticed.
 
If you are looking at B1G, grades do matter, so make sure those are decent. Recruiters will talk to his coaches, ask about his attendance in the weight room, etc. Is he there every day, even when it's optional? He will need to remain very disciplined in high school and follow that up with a demanding college schedule. There are no off days for workouts. You don't spend thanksgiving with your family, or new years day either. We spent Xmas eve with him last year, but he had to drive back down to school on Xmas day to get ready for their bowl game. Outside of football, you not only never get to skip class, you will also likely have mandatory tutoring sessions you attend after class is done. Nate is doing well. Multiple people have said they see him playing on Sundays, but that kid works harder than anyone I've ever known in my life. They all do. It's a grueling schedule. Kudos to those who can keep it up when they aren't seeing the field, or even more the walk-ons who are doing it without a scholarship. I won't even talk about the abuse he and his friends take on social media. Twitter is the worst. Make sure the school he goes to has a good life skills support for the athletes.

You definately want to start thinking and preparing now since kids are recruited heavily in their Jr year, with the knowledge of course that you never know what happens. If it were my kid, I would have lots of conversations about what his goal is. Does he want to be 4th string at notre dame more than anything? Or would he rather have a chance to play early or start at somewhere like NorthWestern? Would he rather try to be invited to be a walk-on at the team of his choice and fight for a schollie, or go DII and again, have a chance to be a starter there? How important is it to be close to home? Also, take a good look at how they develop players at his position. Are they getting drafted? As a DB, Neb was a good pick. They've had 7 drafted into the NFL since 2010! But it's also a place where quarterbacks come to die. Kids seem to actually look worse the longer they're here in the system???

I know Neb. subscribes to 10 recruiting services and also get names from alumni and HS coaches and put them into a database. This year they had 7000 names. Staff then trims that list down based on different criteria, from the 7000 down to about 1000. They divide them into a geo. area. A coach looks at their area list and decides who they want to see film on. Neb kids have priority as do midwestern kids. Take your 1000 names, divided by 9 coaches for them to evaluate. If kid looks good, position coach evaluates them and has to like them. If position coach likes them name goes to coordinators, and then to HC. At Neb., the head coach evaluates every kid offered. Meant to help eliminate any bias an area or position coach may have. I believe they offered about 250 kids (10-15 per position) for 2015, so you can see how the numbers whittle down. You have a lot of local school choices. Should be to your benefit. I would assume they are similar to Neb., wanting to take local kids first. Recruiting the far away kids is tougher (if you get one they waiver more), and it can be harder to get those southern kids to come to the snow. Good luck to him! And you!
 
Yes. Realism is our middle name. :rotfl2:

I have already been accused of sounding defensive by one poster, so I will try to say this as best I can so as not to sound defensive: We were approached by DS's coaches...this was not something that we dreamed up ourselves. Our goal for football for this child was for him to play a fall sport for fitness purposes when he was 7. He chose football and has done the hard work since. As a matter of fact, being a coach myself for a different sport, I am trained to watch for mistakes and areas of improvement, so I look at DS's play critically (in a good way, I hope!), and he still surprises me every time he breaks through the line or pancake blocks his opponent because I still see him as the cuddly, sweet 3 year old I once knew LOL, even though his teammates voted him "Most Feared on the Field" this year. We don't care if he stays home and goes to a local college so long as he gets a degree. His coaches think that he is good enough for a chance to play in college, no matter where it may be - DI, DII, DIII, or the local community college. We are OK with whatever he is OK with, and have a college fund for him anyway, so we are not under pressure for him to get a scholarship in order to attend college.

You said that if a player is as good as their parent thinks they are, the recruiters will find them. That was kind of what I thought, too, but everything I have been reading has been to the contrary, so that is why my questions are only about the recruiting process itself, not the chances of him being able to play a collegiate sport. I do not know anything about the recruiting process, and it seems like it is very complicated - and I do not want to pay money to set up a profile or whatever if there are "free" ways to go about it. The two websites we were given were the NCAA Eligibility Clearinghouse, which comes with a $75 fee (and I trust), and the NCSA, which gives a LOT of information but I do not see anywhere where there is a fee to pay to create a profile? I just do not want to head down a direction that is unnecessary. Do you have any info about those, or remember hearing about that organization from when your son played? My nature is to be suspicious LOL

Ok, maybe I should have read back through the thread before replying. Whoops. Yes, there is a cost to NCSA. Not sure exact prices, but I don't think it's cheap ($500 minimum maybe?) . And I had heard you still had to do a lot of the work yourself, they just provided you "information" on how to write letters, etc. Not heard many say it was worth it, even those who "signed" with them. I don't think they do much else than you can do on your own.
 












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