OT: Anyone switch car seat early

Keep in mind if you have a Cosco/Dorel seat, baby HAS to be 22# and 34" to ff legally. I'm glad he's doing better w/ being more upright, that's great. The longer a child can rf, the safer they are. My 3yo is still rfing and will be till he gets too tall or too heavy and for him that won't be till probably 5. If I know there is a safer choice for my kids, I'm going to do it.
 
I know all supposed benefits of keeping rear facing longer

Well, they're not "supposed." They're real. ;)

Some parents find that their kids don't like riding forward-facing any more than they liked rear-facing. Are you sure it's not the seat itself that's uncomfortable?
 
I guess I'm lucky. My son never screamed in his car seat when he was RF unless he was hungry. He didn't care. He definitely enjoyed being turned around to FF because he could see more. We didn't turn him around until he was almost 13 months old just to be on the safe side although he weighed enough. DS is now 4 and in a booster seat still wearing a 5 pt harness. I'm going to keep him in it until it becomes uncomfortable even though he's old enough to have the seat belt strapped across his chest.

I would not turn your child around before the age of 1. I know that's hard to hear when he's really unhappy in the backseat, but try and find some things that might keep him occupied while he's in his carseat.

I currently live in a state (thanks to the military) where I see kids on a daily basis that are definitely under the age of 2 or 3 that are not in car seats and are rarely strapped in seat belts even. I've seen a lot of kids sitting in the front seat between the adults or in the passenger seat - sometimes in car seats, sometimes not. I just want to pound these parents that are so careless with their kids.
 
I wanted to add that we have a velcro foam mobile that we stuck to the ceiling of the car to amuse my son. We got it from Inventive Parent and he seems to like it.
 

Something else to remember is to be sure to read your seats instruction booklet!! There is some very important info on turning seats and rules you must follow when you do. The shoulder harness must be in certain slots and the recline can not be in certain positions when it is facing certain ways. I am amazed at the # of times i have gotten that book out!!
 
No, and if I would have known better then as I do now, I would have left them rf longer. I like my kids' necks just like they are.

My dd4 still rides in a harnessed seat too even though in our state she could legally ride in a booster.

Safety is more important than comfort.
 
The reason for the law is because it's the safest way until they are BOTH 1 and 20lbs. I wouldn't consider turning him around early-though i do know quite a few people who did.
 
I'm glad you figured out how to adjust his seat and keep him rear facing. DS screamed all the time in his infant seat, and we jsut got a mirror so he can see us, and switched to a convertable, and it makes all the difference in the world. Seriously, I wish I hadn't waited until 14 months to switch him to a convertable! (and I could have waited much much longer he wasn't even close to outgrowing it!). Just thought I'd share my experience, just a little change can make a big difference, and you can keep them rearfacing for as long as you can!
 
Seriously, I wish I hadn't waited until 14 months to switch him to a convertable! (and I could have waited much much longer he wasn't even close to outgrowing it!).

:) My guy outgrew his Graco before 4 months, by height. Kid is Sooooooo long in the torso. In the Graco he HATED being in the car, absolutely hated it. Then we got the Roundabout, he got plushy fabric on his bum, and he was much happier. RFd until the weight limit of the roundabout and Scenera. And now we're looking at only 2 pounds until he's done with those and we'll be getting the Britax that has the 5 point harness to 80 pounds.

I wish I could have a 5 point harness!!!!


OP glad you figured out to put the seat more upright. :)
 
The recommendation is to keep a child rear-facing until the minimum age of one year and the minimum weight of 20 lbs. Any child is much much safer rear-facing than forward-facing, especially a child that is under the age of one due to muscle and skeletal development.

I was lucky with my first child in that he didn't mind being in the car and never fussed. And even though he was in a five point convertible seat at the age of four months due to him outgrowing, height and weight, the infant carrier he stayed rear-facing past his first birthday.

I wasn't so lucky with my second child. He absolutely hated the car and it wouldn't have mattered if I could have put CoCo the Dancing Monkey in the back to entertain him - he just hated the car. He was also out of the infant seat/carrier at four months old due to height and weight. He was rear-facing until his first birthday and I thought that once he went forward-facing that he'd like the view better. Boy was I wrong!! It was actually worse when he went forward-facing because now his screaming wasn't as muffled because he was facing my ears and the sound was even more deafening.

My suggestion is to try various visual things, (red, white & black pictures, a baby safe mirror, a soft baby mobile, etc. - nothing with hard or sharp edges) attached to the seat in front of him or where his feet can reach them and keep your child rear-facing as long as you can.
 
DD is almost 3 and 27 pounds. I can't believe she could still be rfing! We turned her around at about 15 months. She's always been very tall. She outgrew her infant seat at 4 months! But she's also lite. She was only 18 pounds at 1 year, so as soon as she hit 20 DH turned her around. Now I know better and will keep any future children turned around longer. Here's a quote from a child safety seat technician I know:

The absolute bare minimum is 1 year AND 20lbs. What is best practice? To keep your child rear facing for as long as possible. The AAP recommends keeping your child rfing until the weight limits of your seat which is either 30, 33 or 35lbs.

I am a Child Passenger Safety Technician and I all too often see the horrific aftermaths of children who were forward facing and were involved in a car accident. Most recently, we reviewed a case study of a 26 month old, 26lbs child who was in the middle of the backseat, ffing, in a 5 pt harness seat. A car came into their lane and they were in a head on collision at 45mph. This little girl suffered a broken C2 vertebrae. She was the LUCKIEST child. She was in a HALO for 3 months. She had to into temporary state custody b/c the mother couldn't care for her (due to the mother being in the hospital). Evidence shows that if she were still rear facing, she would not have sustained this life threatening injury.

I have had a broken neck before, my C1 and C2 vertebrae's were broken. This area controls breathing, movements, etc...Christopher Reeve is a prime example of having a broken C1 and C2 vertebra in his neck. It is NOT a nice injury and I would never wish that upon anyone...especially a child. It breaks my heart when I hear of parents ffing their child too soon. Because of this kind of mind set that it is a "milestone" to ff your child at 1 year AND 20lbs, many MANY children are needlessly injured.

When a child is in a frontal, head on 35mph crash and their car seat is NOT tethered and they are using a 5 point harness, they will go forward 32". When their seat is tethered, a child will be thrown forward 28". It is imperative that families recognize the NEED to keep their children rear facing for as long as possible.

Here are several links to support keeping your child rear facing for as long as possible.

http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/c...trics;109/3/550
http://www.windsorpeak.com/dc/dcboard.php?...id=44503&page=2
http://www.carseat.org/Resources/633.pdf
http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/stayrearfacing.aspx
http://www.car-safety.org/rearface.html
http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/RFAlbum.aspx
http://www.thecarseatlady.com/car_seats/re...cing_seats.html
http://myangelsaliandpeanut.tripod.com/id5.html
http://momtoaliandshae.tripod.com/keepingkidssafeinthecar/
http://www.aap.org/family/carseatguide.htm
http://www.aap.org/family/1to2yrs.htm
http://www.aap.org/advocacy/releases/travelsafetytips.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRP7ynNI8mI
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9916868
http://www.carseatsite.com/rear-face_article.htm

Here are a few crash test links to show you the difference in rear facing vs forward facing:

http://www.oeamtc.at/netautor/html_seiten/...icosipriori.mpg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rsqE-uOtMM4&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K62Ea8Fs4ng...related&search=

I think 15 links is enough for now, but I do have MANY MANY more showing support.

For those who say their children were uncomfortable rfing, your child knows nothing different. In fact, their legs bending the way they do RFing is actually comfortable to a child. It may not be for an adult. A child is usually more uncomfortable with their legs dangling over the edge or close to the edge of the seat than they are all "squished" up. ALL children go through the kicking, screaming, yelling phase b/c they are active, crawling, walking, etc and would much rather be doing that than harnessed in their seat. They also WANT to see mom or dad in the car. They can hear you, but can't "see" you. They are all phases and they will pass. A child is TOO tall rfing when their head is 1" below the top of the SHELL of the seat OR (check your car seat manual) if you own an older Britax, it is when the tips of the ears are even with the shell of the seat rfing.
42% of accidents occur in rural settings. 25% of them occur within 5 minutes of your home.

Autopsy reports have shown that children under 2 years old are at 4 times the risk of Internal Decapitation when forward facing. What is Internal Decapitation??

Wikipedia says this:
Internal decapitation, atlantooccipital dislocation, describes the rare process by which the skull separates from the spinal column during severe head injury. This injury is nearly always fatal, since it usually involves nerve damage or severance of the spinal cord. Hanging relies on allowing the subject to break their neck under their own weight.


Here is a lady that actually survived Internal Decapitation http://youtube.com/watch?v=PWmJ1m3Jvhc&mode=related&search=

So, as you can tell, it has ZERO to do with neck STRENGTH. I was in a side impact crash where the drunk driver was going 65-70mph and it snapped my neck--I was 20 years old.

Did you know that if YOU are in a 30mph, one vehicle accident and your child weighs 20lbs, they turn into 600lbs of force. THAT is a LOT of force for a child.

Consider this: A car going 40mph would hit a tree with the same force as hitting the ground after falling off a 50 foot cliff. A person inside the car would hit the windshield (unrestrained, of course) with the same force as hitting the ground after a fall from a five-story building.

This shows spine development. You can see how the spine doesn't fuse together until they are quite older.
spinal20development.jpg



This diagram shows you how "top heavy" children are and how disproportioned they are.
heads.jpg

Pay special attention to the crash test links. Those were the ones that convinced me. I bought a $200 car seat to keep my baby safe, but now I feel I was stupid to turn her around so soon. Fortunately we didn't have a crash, but we could've.

I hope that helps! :goodvibes
 
We waited until the year mark (or a few weeks after) to turn my girls around, but they were both under the weight limit. I talked with their doctor ahead of time about how unhappy they were, and she agreed they were ready.

We took a cross country trip with my youngest when she was 11 months old, she hated the fact that her sister could see the DVD player in the car, but she could not. We tried to rig up her mirror so she could see it and it worked some. Even having her sister right next to her didn't help so much. The next month we took another long trip and a few hours into the trip we stopped and turned her seat around. It sure made that trip a lot easier. We wanted to wait as long as we could, that was it. :rolleyes1

Both of my girls were just skinny small kids, but their development was fine. If they had not minded, we would have kept it rear facing longer into their 2nd year of life. (we turned them both around a few weeks after they turned 1 year old.) They were both 16 pounds. Heck my DD is 3 now and only 22 pounds.
 
Please don't flame me. I'm just wondering. My DS is 9 months old. He is 23 pounds and 29 inches tall. He screams bloody murder in the car (which we are in a lot!) I can't wait until I'm able to turn him around. I know he'll be happier when he can see all of us. I know all supposed benefits of keeping rear facing longer but I'm just wondering if there is anyone who turned them early.

Thanks!


We were seriously thinking about it because DS was so tall. We mentioned it off hand to the pediatrician who said absolutely NOT to do it. My mom said we were worried about him breaking his legs in a crash and the doc's response was, "would you prefer broken legs or a broken neck?" The restriction is apparently based on the strength and development of their neck muscles. A 9 month old in a crash in a front facing seat may snap his neck.
 

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