Osama Bin Laden cites the media!

[CathrynRose]

I refuse to even answer this. I have more respect for our troops and what their missions are to try and justify them. I trust them and have faith in them and thier missions. You can choose what you'd like to believe.

Someone else spoke of the "Bush Fanatics" as being un-American.

I find nothing more un-American then questioning and in essence, slandering OUR troops. OUR men and women whom are fighting for OUR freedom and the freedom of others whom were living in a dictorship.

This whole thing upsets me, tremendously.

 

[CathrynRose]

I know I have about a million posts in a row, BUT:

Yeah, yeah...heard it before...many, many, many times.

If I'm not mistaken the man in charge of the military is, unfortunate as it may be, George Bush, and he says this:
]

Unreal!!! Completely unreal.

Transparent had dedicated part of their life to providing the Troops with support, in any means necessary and you're telling this person theyre lying?? That the Troops that have been talked to during and after their mission are lying, as well???

How much time have YOU dedicated to supporting the troops? The ones youre so concerned about possibly dying in a war we 'should never be fighting in the first place'?????

Transparent has communication with the Troops - (check out their website, you may learn a thing or two) How you can slander their word, is beyond me.

 

[dcentity2000]

Just to squish the straggling apologies still being touted by the minority of these boards:

1. It is difficult to impossible to actually reason that those opposed to the war actually provide any political bullets to Bin Laden. Remember, Bin Laden hates us for a variety of reasons, one of them being that we have assumed the role of World Police and another being that we bring death and destruction to his local countries. Had we not invaded Iraq for odd reasons such as the 45-minute WMD claim, he would not have had the political bullets aforementioned as he does now.
2. Since his entrance to office, George W. Bush has inadvertently raised awareness of the causes of Al Queda, the location, recruitment drives and the ideaology. Further to this, he has provided a reason to join in the shape of the Iraq war ("bloomin' America attacking my part of the world illegally and for no reason blah blah blah")
3. Osama Bin Laden is STILL free and at large. After all these years we STILL have not caught him. This is not acceptable and in the majority view over here, more time and effort should have been dedicated to the pursuit of this deadly man than in pursuit of what has turned out to be a largely misguided war in the Middle East
4. Patriotism is defined as a "love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it". Therefore, political stance cannot equate to being patriotic or unpatriotic, unless the activism is aimed at undermining the safety or the country with intent. Questioning the war in Iraq with the intent of bettering one's country is, subsequently, not unpatriotic but patriotic. Supporting the war in Iraq is likewise immune to the patriotic/unpatriotic judgement. However, if one is or was in the possession of special knowledge that initiation/prevent of the war would damage one's country then said action would indeed be unpatriotic.
5. A current support of the war in Iraq can be seen as illogical as it has measurably lowered the standing of America and Britain in the international community and brought no material gain. The only possible gain is the creation of a democratic state, something that is current in the process of happening albeit with problems so far. The measure for this success is in the readiness of the region to conform to the "favoured state", whatever that is.

Simple, really.



Rich::

 

[dcentity2000]

Transparent had dedicated part of their life to providing the Troops with support, in any means necessary and you're telling this person theyre lying?? That the Troops that have been talked to during and after their mission are lying, as well???

How much time have YOU dedicated to supporting the troops? The ones youre so concerned about possibly dying in a war we 'should never be fighting in the first place'?????

Transparent has communication with the Troops - (check out their website, you may learn a thing or two) How you can slander their word, is beyond me.

If every story from people in the zone of war is to be believed, what should we make of the chant of "Murderers OUT" uttered by a crowd of youths in the southern city of Basra during the attack mounted on British tanks?



Rich::

 

[DawnCt1]

Thanks for completely twisting what I said. The President said "I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." You just said that "He is and always will be a priority". So who's wrong...you or President Bush?

Here's the bottom line....give me a simple true or false to the following statement. This statement is either completely factual or is isn't, and you either agree or disagree; there's no middle ground or qualifiers;

"Under George Bush's leadership as President of the United States, since 9/11, this country has made the capture of Osama Bin Laden it's top ongoing military priority to this day and has dedicated the allocation of it's military resources to reflect that."

Did you ever possible consider that the President's words were to minimalize OBL? Nothing feeds a lunatic's ego more that to be considered the "most wanted man in the world". I think he said just the right thing, and in the meantime, we have those nice little Predator Drone's circling around .....

 

[CathrynRose]

If every story from people in the zone of war is to be believed, what should we make of the chant of "Murderers OUT" uttered by a crowd of youths in the southern city of Basra during the attack mounted on British tanks?



Rich::

How would they benefit from coming back, and displaying honor and pride in what they have acomplished? Please explain.

Would they not benefit (and end up with a juicy interviews, as well as fat-cash from a tell all book) if they came back and told the horrors, injustices, babies being killed and women being murdered - all the innocent people, slain?!?!?

So, they come home proud, tell the truth and theyre called liars.

 

[peachgirl]

I know I have about a million posts in a row, BUT:






How much time have YOU dedicated to supporting the troops? The ones youre so concerned about possibly dying in a war we 'should never be fighting in the first place'?????

None of your business. I choose to keep what I do private rather than trying to brag about it every single chance I get. What sending care packages to the troops has to do with this subject I'll never know.

Someone else spoke of the "Bush Fanatics" as being un-American.

Not before you accused the other side and basically told them to shut up or leave the country. Get off your moral high horse.

Some of these posts disgust me

Me too.

Did you ever possible consider that the President's words were to minimalize OBL?

Let me get this straight...When Shrub says something that you don't like, he's lying and when you do like it he's telling the truth?

and in the meantime, we have those nice little Predator Drone's circling around .....

They've been circling for 4 years Dawn. Either we're inept or we aren't trying. Having respect for those who SERVE in the military, I choose to believe we aren't trying and that would be Shrub's call.

 

[CathrynRose]

None of your business. I choose to keep what I do private rather than trying to brag about it every single chance I get. What sending care packages to the troops has to do with this subject I'll never know.



Not before you accused the other side and basically told them to shut up or leave the country. Get off your moral high horse.

.

I have so many things to say here <sigh> You keep your good deeds private. Okay...

My high moral horse? What are you talking about?? You run out of fluff for me?

 

[peachgirl]

I have so many things to say here

As do I.

 

[Laura]

I have so many things to say here <sigh> You keep your good deeds private. Okay...

Lots of people prefer it that way.

 

[Holly]

Someone else spoke of the "Bush Fanatics" as being un-American.

I find nothing more un-American then questioning and in essence, slandering OUR troops. OUR men and women whom are fighting for OUR freedom and the freedom of others whom were living in a dictorship.

This whole thing upsets me, tremendously.

I did not see one post 'slandering' the troops. You are seeing only what you want to see, and it isn't reality.

It upsets me tremendously, as well.

 

[dcentity2000]

How would they benefit from coming back, and displaying honor and pride in what they have acomplished? Please explain.

Would they not benefit (and end up with a juicy interviews, as well as fat-cash from a tell all book) if they came back and told the horrors, injustices, babies being killed and women being murdered - all the innocent people, slain?!?!?

So, they come home proud, tell the truth and theyre called liars.

Now that's a silly post; doesn't even attempt to answer the question!

I include the question for reference:

If every story from people in the zone of war is to be believed, what should we make of the chant of "Murderers OUT" uttered by a crowd of youths in the southern city of Basra during the attack mounted on British tanks?

In case you missed the point, I'll type it out very slowly for you:

You cannot blindly accept opinion as fact, especially where opinion is conflicted. Therefore, one cannot draw a conclusion from a handful of interviews within the military whilst a handful of citizens voice a contrary opinion.

It's not rocket science y'know



Rich::

 

[CathrynRose]

In case you missed the point, I'll type it out very slowly for you:

You cannot blindly accept opinion as fact, especially where opinion is conflicted. Therefore, one cannot draw a conclusion from a handful of interviews within the military whilst a handful of citizens voice a contrary opinion.

It's not rocket science y'know



Rich::

Blindly accept opinion? The observance of former troops is an opinion???

But youre willing to blindly accept the opinion of media whom iant even there????

 

[dcentity2000]

Blindly accept opinion? The observance of former troops is an opinion???

But youre willing to blindly accept the opinion of media whom iant even there????

No, you've overshot the point yet again.

Very revealing post though.

Why do you think that you can pick and choose whose opinions matter and whose opinions matter not?

I challenge you here: do you believe in:

1. The soldiers who say that everything is hunky dory, given that they are there
2. The locals who chant "Murderers OUT", given that they live there

Simple question.

[EDITED]: Removed overly-harsh comment. Peace dudes



Rich::

 

[Judge Smails]

No, you've overshot the point yet again.

Very revealing post though.

Why do you think that you can pick and choose whose opinions matter and whose opinions matter not?

I challenge you here: do you believe in:

1. The soldiers who say that everything is hunky dory, given that they are there
2. The locals who chant "Murderers OUT", given that they live there

Simple question.

[EDITED]: Removed overly-harsh comment. Peace dudes



Rich::

Let's add a third Rich

Soldiers who say that everything isn't hunky dory, given that they are/were there.

 

[Judge Smails]

Wait a minute? We've stopped looking for Bin Laden? Hhmmm....why don't you tell that to the THOUSANDS of troops that I have sent packages too and communicate with just within this past year who are busting their butts looking for him and still fighting taliban in Afghanistan. I haven't talked with one single member of our military that wouldn't love to have him cowering in a hole just like Saddam - He is and always will be a priority. Trust me Mugg Man - we haven't stopped looking for this murderer - not for one second. And if you believe that we have - you are incredibly misguided in that thought.

And yes...I still actually support Bush and I think he's done a damn good job protecting this country along with our incredible & honorable military. I thank God every night that he is our president - and not the nutts that could have been.

OMG are you alright? You didn't get hurt did you?

 

[Dakota_Lynn]

The only "ammunition" he has is the American citizens whom arent backing our military. The ones not proud of the work being done in Iraq.

Hell will freeze over before I support that war. The US has made a mistake. I can live with their mistake, but becoming a liar and pretending that I back the US military is something that I could never and will never live with. If my opinion gives anybody ammunition against the US, then so be it.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

OMG are you alright? You didn't get hurt did you?

Couldn't refute it so you went for the insult.

Many of us support the troops AND the mission in Iraq.

Thank God for our President and our troops and allies fighting for freedom and killing terrorists.

 

[CathrynRose]

Hell will freeze over before I support that war. The US has made a mistake. I can live with their mistake, but becoming a liar and pretending that I back the US military is something that I could never and will never live with. If my opinion gives anybody ammunition against the US, then so be it.

Not backing a War you dont believe in, in one thing. Openly admitting to not supporting OUR soliders is something to be ashamed of.

Tell that to our veterans and see how it goes over.

 

[Dakota_Lynn]

Not backing a War you dont believe in, in one thing. Openly admitting to not supporting OUR soliders is something to be ashamed of.

Tell that to our veterans and see how it goes over.

As individuals, I wish them well. I wish for good for every man, woman, and child around the world; even those who make mistakes. As soldiers, I believe they are WRONG. I do not support their mission. I am not ashamed to say this. I would be ashamed if I pretended to support their mission when I don't!

I only know two veterens and they both agree wtih me. They feel very strongly that the war was wrong and that is why they didn't re-enlist. But even if they didn't agree with me, why should I care how it goes over? I disagree with them, they disagree with me. Life being what it is, people disagree. The world doesn't fall apart over it (for most people anyway). If they are too immature to deal with an opinion that differs from theirs then they need diapers and a pacifier, not military uniforms and guns.