Orlando Theme Park Market Share

[rteetz]

Disney has officially fallen below 70% Universal has risen to 25%

https://twitter.com/jason_garcia/status/870282339301154818

 

[rteetz]

SeaWorld has fallen to 5.7%

 

[Josh Hendy]

Sorry to pester you for more information but do you know how much this has changed since last year? I think the magnitude of the change is more important than crossing the magic number 70

 

[han22735]

I hope they keep losing market share...It may make them move quicker on adding new attractions.

 

[jknezek]

I just hope this keeps the swift kick in the rear Harry Potter gave to Disney in motion. EPCOT's neglect needs to be addressed and even after the huge upcoming openings happen (plus Pandora of course), the other 3 parks can't simply rest on laurels either. Especially if they are going to keep raising prices, which we all know is going to happen because it has always happened. WDW's lost decade is costing them, and they need to make sure what they are doing now is the way they move forward, not just a make up.

 

[OhioStateBuckeye]

Sorry to pester you for more information but do you know how much this has changed since last year? I think the magnitude of the change is more important than crossing the magic number 70

2009 (before Potter) Universal's market share was 16%. In 2015 it was 23.8%.

 

[wilkeliza]

Sorry to pester you for more information but do you know how much this has changed since last year? I think the magnitude of the change is more important than crossing the magic number 70

From 2015 it slipped .7 points. It has slipped about 5 points in the past 8 years. I think Disney doesn't actually care about the attendance slip because they are still winning the money game by large.

 

[dlavender]

While I'm happy that Uni has prompted all the new things we will "soon" see at WDW, they will need to keep pushing.

SWL is going to swing things back WDW's way.

Poor Sea World. One of the most underrated parks IMO.

 

[STLstone]

As a lifelong Disney visitor that only visited Universal/IA for the first time in November, I was shocked at how good they really were.

I always pictured the Universal parks as a distant second place, but they are way closer than I ever imagined. Citywalk has a much livelier atmosphere than Disney Springs. Although I've seen all of the Harry Potter movies (because my wife loves them and the books) I'm not a fan at all. But Daigon Alley was fantastic. The Gringots ride was good. The theming in the Hogwarts ride que was excellent. The Mummy was a great ride, too.

Obviously, there a are also a lot of "shaky ride vehicle in front of a screen" type rides that get repetitive.

I have no idea if my perceptions have anything to do with the shift in market share, but I left there thinking Universal was a close second to Disney - as far as general park quality. One thing Universal can't compete with, though: Two full days (during a slow period) at Universal was enough to see everything. I do 6 days at Disney and I still feel like I could go for another.

 

[wilkeliza]

As a lifelong Disney visitor that only visited Universal/IA for the first time in November, I was shocked at how good they really were.

I always pictured the Universal parks as a distant second place, but they are way closer than I ever imagined. Citywalk has a much livelier atmosphere than Disney Springs. Although I've seen all of the Harry Potter movies (because my wife loves them and the books) I'm not a fan at all. But Daigon Alley was fantastic. The Gringots ride was good. The theming in the Hogwarts ride que was excellent. The Mummy was a great ride, too.

Obviously, there a are also a lot of "shaky ride vehicle in front of a screen" type rides that get repetitive.

I have no idea if my perceptions have anything to do with the shift in market share, but I left there thinking Universal was a close second to Disney - as far as general park quality. One thing Universal can't compete with, though: Two full days (during a slow period) at Universal was enough to see everything. I do 6 days at Disney and I still feel like I could go for another.

I felt the same way in September. By day 2 we had done everything several times with the express pass and a good week. Over at Disney we did 4 days and still felt like we could have done a few more and not gotten tired of it. It could be that express pass makes it so easy to loop rides several times. I also prefer Disney Springs to City Walk. There is just more variety of things at Disney Springs.

 

[Indybill]

I think its also interesting that every Disney park in the world (except obviously Shanghai) had an attendance decline last year.

Go to page 6:

http://www.teaconnect.org/images/files/TEA_235_103719_170601.pdf

 

[DisBuckMan]

I felt the same way in September. By day 2 we had done everything several times with the express pass and a good week. Over at Disney we did 4 days and still felt like we could have done a few more and not gotten tired of it. It could be that express pass makes it so easy to loop rides several times. I also prefer Disney Springs to City Walk. There is just more variety of things at Disney Springs.

Agree...we were there last week. We did each park once at Disney (used the 4 park magic passes), and two days at Universal. We stayed one night at Hard Rock Hotel to get the express passes, and by mid-afternoon the 2nd day, we were getting bored and left to head back to the Poly at Disney.

Don't get me wrong...we really like Universal...but it's very, very easy to do in less than two days with the express passes. Universal is a very well-done park, but it's very "screen ride" dependent, and gets really repetitive after a while.

 

[rteetz]

I think its also interesting that every Disney park in the world (except obviously Shanghai) had an attendance decline last year.

Go to page 6:

http://www.teaconnect.org/images/files/TEA_235_103719_170601.pdf

The quarterly earnings all showed that so I don't see that as a surprise.

 

[Planogirl]

Yes, it's easy to see all of Universal quickly. Imagine if it wasn't though. That number could be a lot different.

 

[jade1]

Awesome for us.

 

[umichigan10]

While bad pr is mostly to blame, I think seaworld is being further hurt by the fact that uni and Disney are expanding their offerings and kinda cutting them out. Would you rather add a day to your existing ticket or add a whole new admission charge and have to figure out how to get there

 

[wilkeliza]

While bad pr is mostly to blame, I think seaworld is being further hurt by the fact that uni and Disney are expanding their offerings and kinda cutting them out. Would you rather add a day to your existing ticket or add a whole new admission charge and have to figure out how to get there

Yeah it took a lot for Uni to get us to give them 2 days. My group always says oh maybe we'll do SW this time but between the already added cost to split between Disney and Univ it is even harder to get me to say sure to yet another split and restart on the cost structure.

 

[sunshine1]

SeaWorld has fallen to 5.7%

SeaWorld are never coming back.

Estimated that 200 million people worldwide have seen Blackfish.

Once you see behind the scenes of cetacean captivity you cant unsee it.

I reckon they got 10 years tops.

 

[rteetz]

While bad pr is mostly to blame, I think seaworld is being further hurt by the fact that uni and Disney are expanding their offerings and kinda cutting them out. Would you rather add a day to your existing ticket or add a whole new admission charge and have to figure out how to get there

SeaWorld isn't doing nothing though. They added a new coaster a year or two ago. They are adding another ride. Then they have Sesame Street land or whatever coming in like 2020. They also have Kraken VR coming this year.

 

[rteetz]

SeaWorld are never coming back.

Estimated that 200 million people worldwide have seen Blackfish.

Once you see behind the scenes of cetacean captivity you cant unsee it.

I reckon they got 10 years tops.

I don't disagree but it's really unfortunate. SeaWorld does some amazing rescue work in the area.