Opinions Please - The Ipod Shuffle...

BethR

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...it it good enough for a 12 yo and 16 yo who have not had much luck with the lifetime of electronics? (I can't tell you how many portable CD players we have gone through. :rolleyes: ) And will be getting a couple of other "nice" Christmas gifts? (Perhaps digital cameras and other things.)

What do you think?
 
I know this is probably not what you were hoping to hear, but IMHO the 16 year old (maybe the 12 year old also) will want more capability to manage music content than the Shuffle allows. Also the Nano's photo capability is a huge deal to some kids. Only you know your kids' preferences. Good luck! Sounds like they will have some nice surprises regardless!
 
Oh I am sure that they would love what the Nano does, but I would just hate to see a $200+ gift lifeless within a year. And that seems to be the history of electronics for these girls. Not that I would like to see a $100 (give or take $20 or so) gift lifeless within a year, but it would just be easier to stomach. :confused3
 
I'm 20 and I love my shuffle for the price. I love that it is a flash drive and not a hard drive, therefore I can be a little more "rough" with it and there are no problems. I always use this when working out. It is so lightweight I barely notice it. I have noticed around campus that more people bring their shuffles with them and leave the bigger iPods at home. The shuffles are good for "traveling", aka walking across campus (to class, from parking..). It is also easier to "hide" during class, not that that's what you want probably! :)
 

Soccer Princess said:
It is also easier to "hide" during class, not that that's what you want probably! :)

No, that would not be good. :teeth:

Oh geeze! This is all so confusing. I was just reading about how you cannot choose a song on your shuffle, how all of the songs are just random - you know - shuffled. And how do you know what song is playing? Or is it all just "SURPRISE!" this is the song that's playing.
 
Another question. IF a song starts playing and you don't want to hear that song can you just skip over it to the next song? :confused3
 
Mom2Ashli said:
Another question. IF a song starts playing and you don't want to hear that song can you just skip over it to the next song? :confused3

Yup! You can go forward or backward to skip songs. You can also set your shuffle to play the songs in order of the playlist or shuffle them randomly.
 
Soccer Princess said:
Yup! You can go forward or backward to skip songs. You can also set your shuffle to play the songs in order of the playlist or shuffle them randomly.

About how many songs will a 512 mb shuffle hold? I know it will probably just be an estimate. But I don't have a clue. Thanks for your help.
 
Mom2Ashli said:
About how many songs will a 512 mb shuffle hold? I know it will probably just be an estimate. But I don't have a clue. Thanks for your help.


Around 130, give or take 10 probably. It really depends on how long each song is, therefore how many MB are transferred. So, the shorter the songs, the more songs will fit. :)
 
Soccer Princess said:
Around 130, give or take 10 probably. It really depends on how long each song is, therefore how many MB are transferred. So, the shorter the songs, the more songs will fit. :)

That is what I figured but wasn't sure what an average number would be.

Thank you so much for your help.
 
Beth,

I am getting my DD 12 a shuffle because while the $200 nano is nicer, it is far more likely to get stolen, lost, etc......

At $80 for a shuffle, I can almost stomach any loss.....At $200 It would have to never leave the house........

For what my DD needs the shuffle 512 should work nicely......
 
If I were 16 right now, I probably would be getting the shuffle. It sounds like it is the most durable and will do what I need it to do - play music. Its not like I had descriptions about what song was playing on a cd player, so that really isn't that necessary. Plus, with the cheaper of the two, it means more presents for me! I was pretty rough on my electronics and know my parents would have never bought me something as expensive as that. If they want the Nanos, then they can save for those with their own money. Maybe that would have them be a little more careful with it. Plus, by the time they would be able to afford it, a newer, better model will be out
 
I just asked this same sort of question to a friend of ours who knows a lot about iPods, computers, and that kind of thing. Here is the response he gave me. It's a little long but I learned a lot.

iPods are great little devices -- they're well-made, stylish, and highly
functional. You can get MP3 players with higher capacity for less, but the
big draw of the iPod is its interface. This is one of the cases where it's
best to pony up the extra to go with the leader in the field.

Apple has a few options in the iPod line, from a player the size of a pack
of gum (yes, it's truly that small) to models that can actually play video
on their full-color screens, with a couple middle-of-the-road models to
make sure there's one for every price point. I'll go from small to big (in
terms of size, capacity, and cost).

The iPod Shuffle is insanely small. It allows people to get a taste of the
iPod line for about $100. You can see the product page at
http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/ Apple says this device can hold up to
120 songs, but that's using relatively low-quality files. For me, I would
probably cut that capacity in half (or maybe even a third -- I'm a bit anal
about compression artifacts.) For day-to-day use, you plug the Shuffle
into your USB socket, and load your songs while the battery charges. The
Shuffle has 3 modes of operation: Off, Sequential play, and Sandom play.
Sequential play will just play the songs in the order they are on the
device, while Shuffle will play them in a random order. The Shuffle has no
screen -- it's just a barebones music player.

The iPod Nano is one of the newest models, and starts at $199. While not
as small as the shuffle, I've seen reports of people carrying them in the
coin pocket on their jeans (the little extra pocket usually by the
right-hand front pocket) Its product page is at
http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/ Apple says this device can hold 500 songs
(again, I'd divide that by 2 or maybe 3), and it has the full-sized iPod
interface, with a click wheel and screen. The screen on the Nano is
full-color, and can display digital pictures (although it's too small for
the pictures to be of any real use) along with album art while playing a
song. The Nano attaches to your computer via a dock (much like a Palm
Pilot) and recharges its battery while docked.

Finally, there's the plain iPod, which Apple just redesigned. It starts at
$299, and can play videos on its full-color screen. The product page is at
http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html It's larger than the Nano but still
quite small. Apple puts its capacity at a staggering 7500 songs (I'd
divide that by 2 or 3). Like the Nano, this one uses a dock to connect to
your computer, and recharges while it's docked.

Before your household forays into the accumulating and storage of digital music, there are a few things you should know:

Digital music is a very segmented market, and each retailer of digital
music is going to want to try to lock you in to only using their store.
Apple makes a great application called iTunes, which integrates beautifully
with the iPod line, and with the iTunes Music Store (iTMS), where you can
buy music online. The only problem is, Apple wants to sell you files that
have copy protection, such that they won't play outside of iTunes, or on
devices other than iPods. So if Spencer gets an iPod, and buys $100 worth
of music from iTMS, that's great, as long as his iPod doesn't break. If it
does, he'll have to buy another iPod (not just another MP3 player) to
listen to his music on a portable device.

Downloading digital music from Peer-to-peer networks is easy to do, but
sometimes the rips are of questionable quality, and downloading the
material is copyright infringement, and lawsuits have been filed by the
RIAA over as little as one song (to the tune of multiple tens of thousands
of dollars). Tell the kids to stay far away from peer-to-peer apps like
eMule and bitTorrent for music.

My suggestion is this: If you buy one of the kids a portable music player
(and I would highly recommend the iPod line), warn him about vendor
lock-in, and tell him that he needs to get his music via legitimate means
(i.e. no P2P). The two big things to remember are these:

You want files that are unencumbered by Digital Rights Management (DRM).
You guys have a network at home. If you've got a hard drive filled with
music, you should be able to play it on your portable devices, on any
computer in the house, and you should be able to burn the music to a CD in
the car. You bought it, you should get your fair use out of it. While you
shouldn't be burning copies for every kid in school, you should be able to
listen to your music without jumping through hoops. To rip my own CDs, I
use an application called CDex. It's free, high-quality, and easy to use.
It'll allow you to rip CDs to a central location, do some categorization (I
have folders for Genre, Artist, Album, and then the tracks within the Album
folder), and it even looks up the CD metadata for you from the internet.
iTunes will work splendidly with MP3s ripped outside of the application, so
these files will be compatible with an iPod.

If you get to the point where you have a sizable investment in a digital
music collection (either in hard dollars, or in time and effort spent
ripping and acting as a librarian), you need to think seriously about
making sure you get a backup of the collection in case of a hard drive
crash.
 
I just bought the shuffle 512 MB for my 12 year old daughter for many reasons , the main one being that she doesn't take care of things very well you know? it's not her money being spent ......I paid $79 for it at Sears this week , and she WILL NOT be allowed to take it to school , the first day I find out that she did I will take it away.
Also the amount of songs it will hold depends on the format they are in , but if it holds 120-130 songs , that's enough for her , when she gets a job she can spend $300 on a big one.
 
I bought my DD10 the shuffle much for the same reasons listed above....she is 10! No way am I going to pay 200.00 for a tiny Nano. I would be scared to death she would lose it or break it, although I was on a site that reviewed the nano and it is extremely rugged, it kept playing even after they had sat on it and finally run it over with a car. They finally killed it by dropping it from a pretty good height.
The shuffle is even smaller, but I got a great deal on it at Aldi's about a month ago (59.00). Thanks to whoever posted that here! So I feel better about her having it. And they can use the forward or back arrows to choose which song they want to hear or skip, so it is not they wont have any control with it.
 
Actually, now I am considering the shuffle with bigger memory - 1G. $129 at Apple and they will engrave it and ship it for free. I am going to see if the have a sale on Friday first. :)
 
Does anyone know if this would work on your computer if you do not have SP2? DH would love one for christmas and this all we need. He would just use it for walking. I thought about it when they were at Aldi's, but we don't have SP2. I have problems every time I try. So I give up!
 


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