Opinions Please! abt Flexible Spending Accts

For those of you that use up your FSA's with glasses - make sure to get those appointments soon-as many people wait too long to do this, and then have to scramble right at the end of the year to use up the money!

Also - don't forget to get a pair of Rx sunglasses if you STILL have more money left over!

We've been using FSA's for probably 12 or 13 years, and did the dependent care accounts when DD was in daycare, and summer day camps up until she was 12. These are a GREAT way to use pre-tax dollars to pay for expenses. We usually calculated pretty darn close to the actual expense, and NEVER had money left over.

We currently have an HRA - which goes with the high deductible health insurance plans...which are great,since we do not HAVE to use it up by the end of the year, and if we contribute to the HRA (in addition to what our employer adds) it can be used for glasses, dental and orthodontic stuff.
 
We use both. Our medical is in at $800 this year. We probably have $120 left. We are fairly healthy. Allergy medicine which is OTC, co-pays, BC, glasses take care of it. The debit card is fantastic. As OP said you can spend it all up in January and get full reimbursement.

Now childcare we do that as well. We have maxed it out for almost 4 yrs. That takes some management b/c the money has to be there to get reimbursed but the tax savings on $5K is no small amount then we are usually over and use the childcare deduction for the balance.

I've had to convince some co-workers before too. I had one that was about to do braces and didn't get it.
 
We have always had one. I just wish we could put more in. We can only put in a max of $5,000.00. We had used all that up by May.
 
I can't think of any con's - and my system works off the pay it in, fax over receipts, wait 2 weeks for a check. Even with the pain in the butt system we use, it's STILL a great thing for us.

I wish we had a debit card system!!

The first year, I put in about 700. I easily cleared that and then some. The next year I pumped to $1k. Had a relatively healthy year and still exceeded it. This year I did $1250. note: we have no children, these have all just been my medical needs thanks to chronic illnesses.

When kids come, we'll use the max of both of ours, probably.
 

I use ours as our christmas money. I just sent all my receipts in last week and am now waiting on my check! I have also split them before and used mine as christmas money and DHs as vacation money!
 
I've run out in February before. Embarrasing since I'd put in 3 or 4K. This time, the full 5K . I have the debit card and new this year is the system where at most stores the things are deemed eligable or not at the time of sale, so no asking for receipts for what I bought.
 
I have the paper work to sign up for next year. I have been meaning to do it for years but would forget and remember after the enrollment date, I wish I had it this year. I have 2 more braces payments and my youngest starts speech therapy monday which will cost me $30 a week in co-pays.

I am trying to figure out how much to put down for next year.
 
Our maximum amount is $3000. and with 4 kids it is gone. I have one that needs braces next year, so that will take a lot of the money since we do not have great dental coverage. I wish we could do more. We spend the $5000. without any problem.
 
We leave our FSA. This is the first year I have had a job that offered an FSA. I put in a small amount, which was basically an estimate on glasses, contacts, etc. I have the Visa card, and I used alot of the money in Feb. for glasses for myself and DH. We have vision insurance too, but it only covers so much. Not only did the money come out pre-tax, I used over half of it in Feb. so it was like a interest free loan.
 
for those of you who use the Dependent Care FSA, how does that work for summer day care camps? I will need to use summer day care for the first time next year, and will do a variety of things for both my kids (age 9 and 11 by then). Do you ever have trouble getting the money out for those types of day care situations?

Thanks for any info ---
 
Does anyone have any experience with a health savings account (HSA)? Right now my wife and I are on a High Deductable/HSA insurance plan.

Briefly, the way it works is that they only deduct $50 per month from my paycheck for health insurance for both of us. However, we have a $2200 deductable each year. That means that we are responsible for the full cost of any doctors visits or the like until we spend $2200. For example, my wife recently needed some lab work done and it cost us $240. If we spend the full $2200 in a year, then they start covering 80% of everything and we pay the additional 20%.

It's not quite as bad as it sounds, however, in that we also get a health savings account, which is an account designed to cover medical expenses, since they may be high as we need to cover the full cost until we hit the deductable. As part of the plan, my company gives us $1000 each year in this account and I can also add as much as I want (up to some limit, I'm sure) as a pre-tax deduction from my paycheck. Since we're reasonably healthy it winds up costing us much less to pay the $50/month and add some money to the HSA each paycheck than it would to pay for more 'standard' health insurance.

The advantage of this over an FSA is that we don't loose any money at the end of the year. Any amount that isn't used simply carries over to the next year (and even earns interest). The disadvantage is that it sounds like you get the full amount of an FSA at the beginning of the year, but for my HSA it simply adds whatever I'm deducting from each paycheck a couple of days after I get paid. The money that my company deposits comes as one $500 deposit at the beginning of the year and one $500 deposit in the middle of the year.

The money that I put into this account is pretax money, so I get the same savings that I would get with an FSA. In addition to covering doctors visits, this also seems to cover many of the same things that an FSA would cover... contacts (my wife), eyeglasses (me), prescription drugs (I'm not sure about over the counter drugs) and the like.

Now, after all that, I'll get to the point;). I do have the option to get an FSA with my company, but I never have done so. In fact, I never really even seriously considered it until I read this thread (For those who are wondering, it always seemed too confusing and like too much work to try to figure out how much I would use and to make sure I didn't lose any money at the end of the year).

But now I'm wondering if it does make sense for me. It seems that I get most of the benefits of an FSA with my HSA with fewer disadvantages, but do you guys think that it makes sense to get an FSA in addition to the HSA. Open enrollment is coming up in November for me, so this is perfect timing:)

Thanks much,
Brett

ETA: I don't think the HSA covers any dependant care, but that's not an issue for us as we have no kids, nor any elderly to care for.
 
We've had an FSA for about 10 years now and love it. In order to submit the claims in our plan, I have to sign onto their website and enter the information about our claims. It then creates a form that I put with our receipts and fax into them as proof to our claims.

Anyway, my question is how exactly the debit cards work. For example, I buy a lot of our OTC medications from Walgreens and they have an F (or some other indicator) that shows that it in an item that qualifies for the plan. Can I use the card at Walgreens and it will pay for that portion of my bill and then I just pay the remaining balance? Also, our insurance has a $25 copay, so I see how I would pay that with the debit card, but if there are any tests, etc. run at the doctors office, we have to pay a percentage on those, but we don't know what it is exactly until we get the explanation of benefits form from the insurance co, so how do you submit those type of expenses that you don't immediately know?

Hope that made sense!

Thanks!
 
Ours lists the following as "ineligible" expenses:

-food supplements, herbs, vitamins
-cosmetic surgery
-teeth bleaching performed in a dental office
-weight loss programs that are not medically necessary
-health club dues
-childrearing classes
-custodial nursing home care
-marriage and family counseling
 
Our plan used to cover vitamins, which was great for buying Emergen-C when we were sick, but it doesn't anymore.


Anyway, my question is how exactly the debit cards work. For example, I buy a lot of our OTC medications from Walgreens and they have an F (or some other indicator) that shows that it in an item that qualifies for the plan. Can I use the card at Walgreens and it will pay for that portion of my bill and then I just pay the remaining balance? Also, our insurance has a $25 copay, so I see how I would pay that with the debit card, but if there are any tests, etc. run at the doctors office, we have to pay a percentage on those, but we don't know what it is exactly until we get the explanation of benefits form from the insurance co, so how do you submit those type of expenses that you don't immediately know?


As far as I know, and we have Wage Works FSA, you can't pay "after the fact" with the card. So if you're there at Walgreens you can pay right then. But you can't pay *with the card* when you get your insurance statement and bill from the doc with the copay amount on it. For that you have to set up a "pay my provider" thing or you send in payment to the doc then get reimbursed by direct deposit or check after submitting it to the FSA. OR, as we have done, send the invoice from the doc to the FSA plan, get reimbursed, and then send that to the doc (but you have to be FAST and responsible to do that).

As for the combined allowed and not allowed purchases, we can't do it anymore. We were trying to buy a book for DS who had been patient while waiting, and a prescription for my hubby at the same time, figuring we'd just send a check to Wage Works for the book, but the register wouldn't let us do it. So we made two payments, one from the FSA card and one from our normal card.


BrettS, you need to have a long sit-down with your HR/insurance person. The FSA plans available to those with HSAs that they contribute to are different, and cover different things. If you look here, you see that there are two columns. One for HSA compatible FSA, and one for the regular FSA.

We have an HRA but we can NOT contribute to it, so we are eligible for the normal FSA (don't ask me why, it just is what it is). We have a 3K deductible, and amazon gives us 1500 up front. For some unknown reason hubby only set up the FSA with 1200 (all FSA moneys are available to us from the start of the plan year, even though we're only funding it 100 at a time). We had a long convo last night about insurance, and it turns out he has BARELY been listening to me for a year about all this stuff (for a few months I was trying to warn him that the situation we're in was about to happen, but he didn't hear me at all, even though we actually had back and forth *conversations* about it all!). So we've had two big expenditures from our FSA that didn't go through insurance first, so we're 500 down in the FSA but have 1100 left of out of pocket deductible to pay! Ruh roh!

Careful planning is important.

And I can't even get hubby to explain why we funded the FSA so heavily, since until last month we had every expectation of having most of the 1500 funded HRA left to roll over to next year!

Anyway, you need to think about your situation. If you expect to use all of your HRA funds that are given to you and expect to go well into your portion of the deductible, fund it nicely. If you don't expect that to happen, fund it with caution, b/c FSAs are "use it or lose it", unless the HRA.


I can't imagine having a situation like you've described, where you only get half of the company's funding up front then the other half, and then only having what you put in each month! Sounds like they've been burned by employees using their money then quitting and refusing to pay it back.

If our HRA were like that, we would just go with a normal insurance plan, because it takes all the convenience out of things. Get into a catastrophic situation, and what on earth would you do, ya know? Little appts here and there are one thing, and are workable in your situation, but not in a hospitalization situation.

And also, in our experience, if you use your FSA you can't then submit to insurance and be reimbursed. So in your case I don't think you could use the FSA account to pay for something that is more than is in your HRA account *at that time*, and then later be reimbursed from the HRA account once there is more available in there. So until you were DONE with your employer-funded HRA funds, I don't think the FSA would be good to use.

Honestly the way your employer does it makes no sense!
 
I can't imagine having a situation like you've described, where you only get half of the company's funding up front then the other half, and then only having what you put in each month! Sounds like they've been burned by employees using their money then quitting and refusing to pay it back.

I think that may be the situation. If you've been employed by them for less than a certain time period (something like a year, I think) then you get the company's contribution as $250 every three months.

If our HRA were like that, we would just go with a normal insurance plan, because it takes all the convenience out of things. Get into a catastrophic situation, and what on earth would you do, ya know? Little appts here and there are one thing, and are workable in your situation, but not in a hospitalization situation.

This past year is the first year that my company offered the plan and so it was the first year that my wife and I were on it. It was a bit worrysome at first because there wasn't much money in the HSA, but now we have a balance of over $1000 and I don't anticipate using much of that before the end of the year... between the company's contribution in January and my continuing contributions we should be close to $2000 going into the new year, so at this point I feel pretty comfortable. Like I said, my wife and I are generally pretty healthy, so other than routine doctor's visits we don't really spend much on health. If either of us had a chronic problem or something like that I think I'd probably look at other options. Especially if we couldn't start with a well funded HSA.

The FSA plans available to those with HSAs that they contribute to are different, and cover different things. If you look here, you see that there are two columns. One for HSA compatible FSA, and one for the regular FSA.

Thanks for that chart... that definitely helps. I didn't realize that the FSA would be different if we had an HSA. In my case, at least, I was told that my HSA does cover dental and vision treatment as well, so after going over that chart I'm not sure that there's much that an HSA compatible FSA would cover that I would use. I'll probably still talk to my HR rep, but at this point I'm thinking I'll be good with just the HSA.

Thanks again for your post. That was quite helpful:)

Brett
 
for those of you who use the Dependent Care FSA, how does that work for summer day care camps? I will need to use summer day care for the first time next year, and will do a variety of things for both my kids (age 9 and 11 by then). Do you ever have trouble getting the money out for those types of day care situations?

Thanks for any info ---

For us we use the Dependant care FSA for after school care and for summer day camp. We have to obtain a reciept from the day camp or after school program with their tax payer id. I submit the paperwork via fax or submit it online. The money is direct deposited into my bank account within 2 business days or a check is cut if that is what i request.

for our Dependatn FSA you have to have the money in the account ebfore you get reimbursed and you can't get paid for something that hasn't ahppened yet.

for instance:

DD went to 2 day camps. For day camp 1 (june 26-July 26) I could not get reimbursed the $1500 that it cost until my account had that amount of money in it and even though i paid for camp in full on May 1st I could not submit the paperwork for reimbursement until towards the end of camp.

If my DFSA did not have $1500 in it i was given a check for what was in it (at this pioint $900) and then checks were cut as the DFSA was funded.

I usually wait until oct to get reimbursed as I use the money for holiday gifts.

I hope this helps. let me know if you ahve any other questions.

lara
 
This year was the first year we did the medical care and we started small, I think we put in $500. We have the pain in the butt, send in the receipts get a check mailed system. It was much easier than I expected, so we will be definitely be upping our amount for next year. I definitely suggest starting small though your first year and learning the system!

I LOVE the idea of saving and submitting the receipts at the end of the year and using the money for Christmas shopping or vacations.....with a WDW trip planned for next December and of course Christmas, that is a great idea!
 


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