Once Upon A Time

[dancin'girl]

Maybe Regina hired him to re-write the ending!

Ooo, that's a good one! I like this theory. Maybe after he reads the book, he'll start to believe, too?

 

[Pixie Princess]

I keep wondering where that dagger is... I know someone said it earlier - but we need to work on a time line!

I swear I saw it in Mr. Gold's shop. I could very well be wrong. I'll have to go back and watch that episode.

The previous "dark one" clearly wanted to be free of the control of the dagger because he was being used for horrible purposes (can you imagine having to torture a parent for trying to stop someone from taking their teenage daughter). Rumple has been very honest with everyone he interacts with as far as the price of magic - but he also has no qualms waving temptation under their noses. I love him but I would still like to know why he blasted Cinderella's Fairy Godmother to bits.

Me too! I want to know why he wanted that magic wand.

Maybe the show will end with some sort of course-correction...

One thing that bothers me about the writers from LOST is that they LOVED writing amazing wonderful characters that you fell in love with and then abruptly killing them... They did that with Graham and I am hoping that they won't do it as often as they did in LOST.

I think that will be interesting. There was a really great theory that circulated about the deaths on the island on LOST...that once you served your purpose on the island you died. I'm with you, I hope they don't start killing off a lot characters on this show, but they've kind of set up the precedent of those who begin to breakthrough the curse die. Not to mention what the Blue Fairy said to Jiminy back in his episode.

I had just gotten done telling my husband that MM and David can't kiss for ages because when they kiss they will remember and it is awfully early in the series for that to happen and then WHAM they lock lips! This makes me wonder if the potion that Snow took in FL had some after effect. Also - maybe the Queen took extra precautions with this curse because her other curse had been broken with 'a simple kiss'.

I think a strong connection Emma is the catalyst for people to remember who they are. Graham kissed her because he wanted to feel something for her and he remembered. Mary Margaret picked up the baby blanket and something happened, but we don't know what. It is kind of like the last season of LOST where people had to have something drastic happen to them in the sideways world for them to know it was time to move on.

Is it just me, or was there a story continuity issue in last night's show? In The Heart is a Loney Hunter, there is a discussion between EQ and the magic mirror after the king's funeral. During this conversation the mirror attempts ask if Snow suspects EQ was involved in the death. EQ interrupts him and says "That I am responsible for his demise? No, she even sought comfort..." Now, from a certain point of view (as Obi Wan would say) it is true that she was responsible. As the conversation goes on they discuss the fact that the there is a larger plot to kill Snow and exact revenge, blah, blah, blah. From the performance it appears that EQ and the magic mirror have had a longer term "relationship" than was revealed in last night's episode.

And why would the magic mirror even ask the question if, as was revealed last night, everyone knew the genie was responsible. The only reason Snow would be suspicious would be if she knew what was in the diary, and from the funeral scene in the earlier episode, that certainly isn't the case.

 

[lovesmurfs]

NM -- just watched the last 2 minutes.

 

[Kimbysmom]

I really enjoyed last night's episode. It made me want to know the EQ's background even more. I'm becoming more and more convinced that she's the miller's daughter, because even the genie was surprised when her father gave him the box with the snakes and said something along the lines of, "YOU'RE the queen's father?!"

I was so excited about the Beauty and the Beast episode, but I must say as much as I like Rump, I'm bummed out that he's the beast. Oh well, I'm sure I'll enjoy watching it anyway.

 

[LKFan]

Actually, I was wondering whether Sidney was sent by the Mayor to double-cross Emma, and that it was all a setup.

It was.

I wonder if Emma and Mr. Gold are working together to set up Sydney and Regina and we don't realize it yet.

I expected to see Hansel and Gretel's dad pull up to fix the sheriff's car.

It is interesting to know that Mr. Gold is/was a land owner. We've heard that he owns everything. I wonder what else he owns.

 

[brookmey]

I don't post much on this thread or others like it because I learned my lesson with Lost. I got so caught up in finding answers to questions and reading into every little thing about the Lost episodes that I realized I wasn't watching out of pure enjoyment anymore. So, I'm staying out of the theory discussions here because I don't want that to happen with OUAT. But with that being said, here I go again!

There was something about last night's episode that really bugged me. It was so transparent from the beginning that Regina and Sydney were setting up Emma. IIRC, from one of the earliest episodes, Emma told someone (Henry, I think?) that she could tell when someone was lying to her. If that's true, then where was that talent last night? How come she couldn't tell that Sydney was lying to her?

My only hope is that Emma did realize, is on to him and will double cross him. It just seems inconsistent with her character to not be suspicious of Sydney and blindly believe him. She used to be a bail bondswoman, for pete's sake. She's supposed to be suspicious and not fall for things so easily!

And FWIW, I don't think Sydney is the love that the EQ lost due to Snow White. He was simply someone she used to get what she wanted. The nice EQ was just an act. Her evil runs to the soul and she's only capable of being nice when she wants something.

I think when the mirror asked the EQ if Snow suspected her of her father's death, I think it was just out of curiousity or just to gauge the relationship between the 2. I don't think he had any other reason to ask, other than curiousity.

 

[beattyfamily]

I don't think anyone thinks that Genie/Magic miror/Sydney guy is the love EQ lost because of Snow White. No way, is that possible, IMHO.

BUT there was a spoiler that said this:

But the plot thickens as Parilla reveals that EQ had a previous lover who she truly cared for — and it’s someone we’ve met before:

“It is someone that you’ve met before. You see this really soft, vulnerable side to her. Even her voice shifts with a softness to it. She wants to love, it’s just difficult for her. Once she has it, she doesn’t really know how to sustain it or stabilize it.”

Genie/Magic Miror guy could be this person described in this spoiler....

 

[gometros]

Tonights episode was a good one. I'm watching it a second time. That EQ is so devious. And when will Emma ever learn that whenever she sinks to Regina's level it will only blow up in her face? Do playgrounds really cost $50000? Every episode only brings more questions and just makes me want more.

We built a playground on our synagogue grounds. It cost $70K. A good playground the size that she showed in the plans can easily cost that much.

OK, so now mystery man has Henry's book. How did he get it, and what the heck is he going to do with it? Any thoughts?

Did I see two books? I thought I saw one on the table and one in the case?

 

[pkondz]

Wow, no one is commenting on tonight's show?

It was so transparent for me.

I knew she (EQ) was using him.

I knew Emma was being tricked.

There was something about last night's episode that really bugged me. It was so transparent from the beginning that Regina and Sydney were setting up Emma. IIRC, from one of the earliest episodes, Emma told someone (Henry, I think?) that she could tell when someone was lying to her. If that's true, then where was that talent last night? How come she couldn't tell that Sydney was lying to her?

I told my DW, "I only hope that at least Sydney is working for EQ, otherwise this show is not only transparent but super transparent." So at the end when you see Sydney with EQ, I thought, "At least there's that."

Not my fave episode.

I too hope that Emma knew that she was being tricked all along. Otherwise, she's gone from a strong character to just a dope. (And we've already got a dwarf filling that niche)

 

[Amy]

Do you think Regina gave him the book? Sydney said he had been watching Henry and Emma. Maybe Sydney saw Henry bury it and told Regina.

Maybe Regina hired him to re-write the ending!

Regina doesn't know who the "mystery man" is either; there's no way she'd give him Henry's book. If Regina got her hands on the book again, she'd burn it or destroy it somehow.

There was something about last night's episode that really bugged me. It was so transparent from the beginning that Regina and Sydney were setting up Emma. IIRC, from one of the earliest episodes, Emma told someone (Henry, I think?) that she could tell when someone was lying to her. If that's true, then where was that talent last night? How come she couldn't tell that Sydney was lying to her?

My only hope is that Emma did realize, is on to him and will double cross him. It just seems inconsistent with her character to not be suspicious of Sydney and blindly believe him. She used to be a bail bondswoman, for pete's sake. She's supposed to be suspicious and not fall for things so easily!

I agree. When I saw that all of a sudden Sidney wanted to help Emma expose Regina and how willing Emma was to go along with him, I couldn't believe it. Why would Emma be so naive all of a sudden? It just doesn't fit with her character. Why would she suddenly trust someone who was one of Regina's loyal servants?

I can only hope that Emma is working with Mr. Gold and by going along with Sidney, it was just part of the larger picture.

 

[beattyfamily]

I agree with everyone that if Emma has a special ability to tell when people are lying then I sure hope she was on the Sydney and Regina.

It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

I kept saying to my daughter last night, what happened to taking the high road which is all she talked about in the election episode.

So I'm hoping, fingers crossed, that she knew. Or this was a really dumb episode for me.

Not sure how I'm liking Rumple as the Beast but I'm hopeful.

I just love this show!

 

[Coconut36]

I don't post much on this thread or others like it because I learned my lesson with Lost. I got so caught up in finding answers to questions and reading into every little thing about the Lost episodes that I realized I wasn't watching out of pure enjoyment anymore. So, I'm staying out of the theory discussions here because I don't want that to happen with OUAT. But with that being said, here I go again!

There was something about last night's episode that really bugged me. It was so transparent from the beginning that Regina and Sydney were setting up Emma. IIRC, from one of the earliest episodes, Emma told someone (Henry, I think?) that she could tell when someone was lying to her. If that's true, then where was that talent last night? How come she couldn't tell that Sydney was lying to her?

My only hope is that Emma did realize, is on to him and will double cross him. It just seems inconsistent with her character to not be suspicious of Sydney and blindly believe him. She used to be a bail bondswoman, for pete's sake. She's supposed to be suspicious and not fall for things so easily!

And FWIW, I don't think Sydney is the love that the EQ lost due to Snow White. He was simply someone she used to get what she wanted. The nice EQ was just an act. Her evil runs to the soul and she's only capable of being nice when she wants something.

I think when the mirror asked the EQ if Snow suspected her of her father's death, I think it was just out of curiousity or just to gauge the relationship between the 2. I don't think he had any other reason to ask, other than curiousity.

The bold really bugged me too. Her rash actions standing up in the meeting and everything else seemed out of character for her to me. I expect her based on her bailbonds and now law enforcement experience to not act as rashly as she did.

I can't believe she wouldn't be me thorough, do more to make sure she had all the facts before standing up like that and she wouldn't recognize what was going on. I am hoping she does know and we will see later how she uses that in her favor.

 

[threeboysmom]

Wasn't the ring a symbol of true love?

True love followed the ring or something like that....

Yes, so it wasn't a symbol of marriage but one of true love.

If I remember correctly the ring supposedly finds your true love, it doesn't make you love someone, it helps you find them.

Just to throw a monkey wrench in the discussion. It sounds like Charming's mother intended for him to give the ring to Abigail. As she was taking the ring off she said, "Give this to your wife-to-be." Charming objected, and said, "I don't love her, I don't even know her." His mom insisted, "Just because you don't know her, doesn't mean you won't grow to love her."

"True love follows this ring wherever it goes, my son."

She goes on to say that she had love with his father, and love with him and she wants him to take the ring because as long as he has it, "I'll know you'll find love. I'll know you'll be happy"

Maybe the ring does have some magic properties but I don't like the idea that the romance between Snow and Charming is just a trick of the ring. If she hadn't put it on in the woods he would have given it to Abigail and been just as much in love with her? I could be wrong but that doesn't sound anything like "true love" to me.

OK, back to the ring, lol. I just got caught up somewhat on this thread. Haven't even processed the whammies in last night's episode... wow!

Anyways, I agree that the mother said it would help him find true love (I don't believe it has magical powers). She simply treasured it because of the love she had with her husband and wanted her son to experience it too. BUT Prince Charming told Snow White when she had stolen the ring from him that he wanted it back because he was giving it to his fiancee.

Obviously, he must not have since Snow White is wearing it. That's why I'm saying the wedding must never have taken place. Abigail never received the ring.

OK, back to the Rumpel/Beast discussions... Grrrrr...

 

[lizabu]

How is Rumpel supposed to be the beast? That doesn't make sense to me. Was this a spoiler somewhere I missed? Wasn't the beast supposed to be a Prince put under a spell for being unkind? Rumpel was supposed to be a peasant of some kind I thought.

 

[Riverhill]

How is Rumpel supposed to be the beast? That doesn't make sense to me. Was this a spoiler somewhere I missed? Wasn't the beast supposed to be a Prince put under a spell for being unkind? Rumpel was supposed to be a peasant of some kind I thought.

Well .....he blew away Cinderella's fairy godmother so why wouldn't he do the same thing to the beast.

 

[lizabu]

Well .....he blew away Cinderella's fairy godmother so why wouldn't he do the same thing to the beast.

Maybe I misunderstood. I thought PP-ers were saying that Rumpel was supposed to be the beast (AKA play the part/role of the beast) in the upcoming episode where Beauty is supposed to make her appearance.

 

[Riverhill]

Maybe I misunderstood. I thought PP-ers were saying that Rumpel was supposed to be the beast (AKA play the part/role of the beast) in the upcoming episode where Beauty is supposed to make her appearance.

We will have to wait and see. He appears to taking the place of the beast in the storyline. But, he did that same thing with Cinderella. He gave her the dress, glass slippers etc.... just like a fairy godmother except he wanted her first born child in return.

 

[lizabu]

True. They don't seem to mind shaking things up.

 

[Mermaid02]

im sure there are a bunch of genies running around fairytale land

But did you hear his inflection and what he said when he came out of the lamp? It was very much like Genie....

 

[D L and K's Mom]

Anyone notice the "silver threadlike" bracelet the "mystery writer" was wearing on his wrist? DD and I went back to see if Rumples son had one on, but he had long sleeves on the whole episode. Anyone have any ideas if that was a clue??