Once again Bush does his best to set us way back...

[boomhauer]

I don't know nearly enough about stem cell research to say I agree or disagree with the scientific reasons Bush might have. That being said, there was an earlier post in this thread by someone that said something to the effcet of it being another example of Bush not representing America, but his own beliefs.

That is what makes Bush such a bad president. I've just come to realize, when it comes to being President of the United States and what that really means, Bush simply doesn't get it.

 

[Alicnwondrln]

I cant stand Bush but he is just doing what HE believes. I think thats what bothers me about him, he doesnt represent the majority of americans on so many issues. He comes across as so stubborn to. The war isnt working but insteading admitting that and fixing it we keep going in circles.

 

[boomhauer]

I cant stand Bush but he is just doing what HE believes. I think thats what bothers me about him, he doesnt represent the majority of americans on so many issues. He comes across as so stubborn to. The war isnt working but insteading admitting that and fixing it we keep going in circles.

Exactly.

 

[cardaway]

If it's not a big deal because it doesn't stop anything that is state or private funded, why do people get upset when the talk is about using federal funds for abortion?

Or is the truth that is actually does matter to you how your tax dollars are used?

 

[Virgo10]

I just want to set the record straight that

A. I do know there are other venues doing research with stem cells

and

B. I'm not a Bush Hater.

I don't like him very much or his views but I don't hate him. I do hate seeing ANY research being denied in this field though. How will we ever know what an influx of federal dollars might do to increase the chances that a break though could occur? The lives that could be saved or made well again staggers the mind.

In the meantime my husband will continue to be put on more and more medication and continue down the road to total dependency. So, yes, I have some very strong feelings about limiting this type of research.

 

[Charade]

If it's not a big deal because it doesn't stop anything that is state or private funded, why do people get upset when the talk is about using federal funds for abortion?

Or is the truth that is actually does matter to you how your tax dollars are used?

I don't think any tax dollars (local, state or federal) should be used in either case.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

I don't think any tax dollars (local, state or federal) should be used in either case.

And my feelings aren't based on religious beliefs, but because I don't think the government needs to be involved in such things.

It almost makes you wish for a good ole assasination...

Mikeeee

Nice.

 

[Laura]

I just want to set the record straight that

A. I do know there are other venues doing research with stem cells

and

B. I'm not a Bush Hater.

I don't like him very much or his views but I don't hate him. I do hate seeing ANY research being denied in this field though. How will we ever know what an influx of federal dollars might do to increase the chances that a break though could occur? The lives that could be saved or made well again staggers the mind.

In the meantime my husband will continue to be put on more and more medication and continue down the road to total dependency. So, yes, I have some very strong feelings about limiting this type of research.

I'm not in your boat, but my DH has type 1 diabetes. He's doing well now, but he's also still pretty young. There are many avenues being explored for a cure apart from stem cell research (one that looks promising is an injection of capsaicin--the spicy stuff in hot peppers--to kill pain receptors in the pancreas; it has cured type 1 diabetes in mice). But at the same time, there are so many other people with so many illnesses that it's hard to know what can be cured with embryonic stem cell research. Perhaps it's the best possible cure for my husband's disease, perhaps not.

To those who dismiss embryonic stem cell research as having less potential, well, it hasn't been pursued nearly as long as research into adult stem cells.

But in many ways it seems the medical community would rather treat diabetics than cure them. Lots of money is made selling diabetes supplies.

 

[KariC]

That's why I really don't think much of this story. Other than the complete waste because the embryoes that will be destroyed at fertitility clinics, might as well use them. But nothing does stop private or state funding of research.

To my knowledge (as someone who has used frozen embryos for all the children I have, and still have two more in the deep freeze), you MAY choose to donate your frozen embryos to research. You MAY choose for them to "die" by not being implanted. You MAY choose for them to the implanted in two ways....one is to try for a pregnancy, the other is to put them back into the mother's body at a time that is not optimum for implantation.

All that being said, I have friends who have chosen to donate for research. That option is there, and the fertility clinics around the US know where to send them. The facilites just can't be using federal funding (except for the old lines). And, really, there was NO federal funding approved for any embryonic stem cell research before Bush signed the bill that allowed it for EXISTING stem cell lines. He's just saying no more lines should be created at this time. Especially since nothing promising has come from the embryonic lines.....only tumors. More stable stem cells from cord blood, amniotic fluid, and other adult stem cell sources are proving to be much more promising. The embryonic ones (taken from 3-5 day old embryos, often not stable in the fertility clinics) are not as stable.

 

[Fitswimmer]

But in many ways it seems the medical community would rather treat diabetics than cure them. Lots of money is made selling diabetes supplies.

The cynic in me wonders about that and a host of other chronic conditions. We know that Big Oil has had significant influence against the production of more fuel efficient cars and trucks, who's to say that the pharm industry isn't quietly trying to keep the status quo. There's NO way that they'd want people to know that, of course because it would sound like they care more about money than people....

 

[Charade]

I just want to set the record straight that

A. I do know there are other venues doing research with stem cells

and

B. I'm not a Bush Hater.

I don't like him very much or his views but I don't hate him. I do hate seeing ANY research being denied in this field though. How will we ever know what an influx of federal dollars might do to increase the chances that a break though could occur? The lives that could be saved or made well again staggers the mind.

In the meantime my husband will continue to be put on more and more medication and continue down the road to total dependency. So, yes, I have some very strong feelings about limiting this type of research.

No research is being denied or limited. There is no federal law against it.

I'll admit that I don't know a whole lot about stem cell research but I found this article.

http://www.leaderu.com/science/stemcelltestimony_turner.html

 

[punkin]

It almost makes you wish for a good ole assasination...

Mikeeee

President Chaney?

 

[wvrevy]

President Chaney?

Why do you think Pelosi has repeatedly said impeachment was off the table? As bad as Bush is, at least he's just incompetant, rather than actively evil.

 

[Charade]

Hmm... I guess you'd really have to hate someone enough to want them dead and hate someone even more if you don't want the first one dead because the hated second would take the first hated one's place.

Nice.

 

[cardaway]

I don't think any tax dollars (local, state or federal) should be used in either case.

So you do care about how they are used. Me too.

 

[Tyler's Dad]

No research is being denied or limited. There is no federal law against it.

I'll admit that I don't know a whole lot about stem cell research but I found this article.


rl]http://www.leaderu.com/science/stemcelltestimony_turner.html[/url]

Same old Republican jargon. We are going to deny the masses from what they want and if they complain, we will either say they are unpatriotic for questioning us, or they can fund it themselves if they want it so bad.

The truth is nobody knows how much could be found within embryonic cells, since funding has been kept from the research from day 1. Yes some states and private organizations fund some research but it takes way more money and the access to more of the embryos that are discarded right now in order to have real breakthroughs. You will see a lot more progress made in this field sometime in 2009, after a pro research administration is in place and the funding is made available. BTW, this doesn't neccessarily mean a Dem as President either. McCain and Gulianni are for this research.

 

[punkin]

Why do you think Pelosi has repeatedly said impeachment was off the table? As bad as Bush is, at least he's just incompetant, rather than actively evil.

I am against impeachment for many reasons, but that's not one of them. I bet if Bush was impeached, he's roll over on Chaney to save his own butt.

 

[Charade]

Same old Republican jargon. We are going to deny the masses from what they want and if they complain, we will either say they are unpatriotic for questioning us, or they can fund it themselves if they want it so bad.

The truth is nobody knows how much could be found within embryonic cells, since funding has been kept from the research from day 1. Yes some states and private organizations fund some research but it takes way more money and the access to more of the embryos that are discarded right now in order to have real breakthroughs. You will see a lot more progress made in this field sometime in 2009, after a pro research administration is in place and the funding is made available. BTW, this doesn't neccessarily mean a Dem as President either. McCain and Gulianni are for this research.

There is no federal ban on stem cell research. The Fed DOES fund research on existing lines. I back this President on this and I will oppose the new president if they allow this to be funded.

No one (on this thread) has called anyone "Unpartriotic" for their stance on this, so stop with the nonsense. And if you believe in this so much, no one is stopping you from dontating to *ongoing* research.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I'm against impeachment because it will cost oodles of $$ ,even LESS actual work will get done in Congress and it probably would take about as long as this administration has left in office anyway!

The last impeachment was a complete and total waste of time and money. I have no interest in seeing a repeat of that fiasco.

However-I do think that calling for ANY sitting President to be killed is beyond bad taste.

 

[Charade]

I'm against impeachment because it will cost oodles of $$ ,even LESS actual work will get done in Congress and it probably would take about as long as this administration has left in office anyway!

The last impeachment was a complete and total waste of time and money. I have no interest in seeing a repeat of that fiasco.

However-I do think that calling for ANY sitting President to be killed is beyond bad taste.