Old Navy Debuts Gay Pride T-Shirts For It Gets Better

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No, they don't now - its just a concern for the future.

With all due respect, skater, that is a scare tactic line that needs to be debunked. The 1st Amendment prevents governmental interference with the way the church runs itself.

I'm not sure how much further I want to go with this or how much time I'm going to want to waste on it, but for the sake of argument:

Where has anyone, gay or straight, ever been guaranteed any "basic human right"? The only rights we're guaranteed (here in America) are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Nowhere are we guaranteed anything else. Being able to marry isn't a basic human right. Being able to adopt children isn't a basic human right. Being able to be included on your partner's health insurance isn't a basic human right.

Will Gay people face prejudice? Of course. So will Black people. So will women. I'm over 40, overweight, and female: a classic demographic that gets passed over for jobs all the time because of my age and weight. Unfair? You betcha. Anything I can do about it? Nope. Except to keep looking to until I found a place where they weren't prejudiced against me based on those physical attributes. I found it and am probably happier at my current place of work than I ever would have been at those other places who found me lacking because of what was on the outside.

No, Carly. We are not guaranteed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are aspirational goals stated in the Declaration of Independence. They are not rights that have been adopted in law. We are guaranteed a right to marry as the Court has found through its analysis of our Constitutional rights to free association and privacy.

Agreed but let's stand back and look at the BIG picture:
Basic human right that is vital
Housing VS Gay Marriage
Appropriate education VS gay marriage
Health Care VS gay marriage

Gay marriage as much of a "human right" as some want to call it, it is not the most important one right now. There are some serious issues going on in this country at the moment I personally don't feel like gay marraige is high on the priority list. It's there but just not high to me. Could we possibly fix the things that are REALLLy tearing this country apart and then work on Gay Unions or coupling or whatever it will be called? Marriage is not a right. Saying marriage is a "human right" seems weird to me because your union to your spouse is between you and them. No states recognition makes it valid or even invalid.

State recognizes it then what? You get to pay taxes together? what doesn't it really mean? (i'm not being sarcastic here I'm really looking for an answer because i don't understand what the big deal is.)

Actually, the federal government has not recognized housing, education, or healthcare as fundamental human rights. But marriage? Yes. The Court has recognized that as a Constitutionally-protected, fundamental liberty interest.
 

Love your quote. Haven't seen the movie. Is it good?

Everyone have fun in SF. You sure as he** have my support, if that means anything.

The movie is phenomenal, but difficult to watch. I watched it once and was never able to make it through it again.

Oh, and it means a lot. :hug:
 
What is it about "mind your own business" that people don't get? My philosophy is stay out of people's lives unless someone or something is being harmed. I don't see any sign of harm when it comes to gay marriage so why the interference?

OK, off of soapbox. I wish that Old Navy would sell the shirts here but I imagine that only Austin and Houston have a shot at getting them.
 
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Since the trolls have come out (I've deleted lots of posts), I'm going to close this one down.

Thanks to all the folks who kept this conversation civil and interesting for lots more pages than I thought it would run! :)
 
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