Old Magic Bands/Fastpass plus Loophole Closed?

[Corey127]

This is from the links I posted on page 2:

Thanks, I know you are trying to help but I'm still confused. I specifically want to know if I can buy the extra bands online or I have to buy the bands in person.

 

[Robo]

Thanks, I know you are trying to help but I'm still confused. I specifically want to know if I can buy the extra bands online or I have to buy the bands in person.

You can buy them on line.

 

[Corey127]

Thank you

 

[Jrits]

If I sign up for a new WDW account to book my upcoming trip, then will my old mbs that are still activated work?

 

[Robo]

If I sign up for a new WDW account to book my upcoming trip, then will my old mbs that are still activated work?

A new MDE account.

Yes.

 

[3DisneyFanz]

Since that only really works for getting a three "day of" fast passes (per magic band), but a pretty big loophole if enough people care enough to
make a second MDE account.

BUT .. I wonder if there is an even bigger loophole that can be exploited by owners of no-expiration tickets or annual passes.

Thinking about it .. I could easily do THIS for my next trip and it isn't even technically a loophole.

I have no-expiration tickets with days still left on them assigned to my MDE account.

I could create a new MDE account and get a normal resort ticket package with it and make my fast passes as normal there 60 days out.
I then use my old MDE account (with the no-expiration tickets linked) to make Fast passes at 30 days out on the same days as my trip.

I now have six Fast Passes a day if I bring my old Magic Bands without using days on my no-expiration tickets. Just need to remember which fast passes are associated with which band (which could be a pain).

It just seems odd that Fast Passes work in the parks if they aren't scanned at the turnstiles.

I think more people are doing it than you think. Many of the people who will tell you how great FP+ is are having good experiences because they are exploiting the system. This is especially ironic because those same people claimed to dislike the previous system because people were "hoarding" paper FP.

 

[nooneshome]

I set up a second MDE account with 10 people by booking a trip and canceling after I got the 10 bands. On our last trip 4 of us each had 2 extra MBs. I made our FPs the night before using an old one day ticket. This worked great for MK and DHS. It would have been way easier if I had access to 4 multi day tix. I have some buddies going in a month and I am going to handle their "extra" FPs at home for them. I think there are some people doing this but not enough for Disney to fix.

The strange thing is as a planner you struggle to maximize/plan your use of your 3 FPs. It can be confusing when you try to plan your day with 9 FPs.

We went to MK on a day when all the sites had it listed as the worst park to go on that day. Armed with 9 FPs and getting there at RD we made a big circle and we did a ton of stuff. It was fun bypassing all those stand by lines. The longest waits we had were buying a funnel cake and riding the Jingle Cruise with a FP.

 

[thornton0511]

Follow up question. If you are able to make 3 additional SDFP+ using separate MB's will you still be subject to tiering for HS and EPCOT? Or would you be able to choose (for example) TSMM, RnRC, and GMR first thing that morning after you get in the park?

 

[hiroMYhero]

Follow up question. If you are able to make 3 additional SDFP+ using separate MB's will you still be subject to tiering for HS and EPCOT? Or would you be able to choose (for example) TSMM, RnRC, and GMR first thing that morning after you get in the park?

All initial FPs selected for a tiered park are subject to tiering.

Just think of your set of 3 SDFPs as regular FP selection minus the tickets.

 

[thornton0511]

All initial FPs selected for a tiered park are subject to tiering.

Just think of your set of 3 SDFPs as regular FP selection minus the tickets.

Gotcha! I figured that might be the case but just wanted to confirm. That really would be a loophole!!

 

[dismedvc]

Hey all you experts: Here is a weird wrinkle. We have two accounts in MDE for everyone in our family. One has the old non-expiring tickets linked, and we use the MB's associated with those accounts when we are only going to the parks 2 or less days on a trip. The other account is used when we go for longer trips and we link 14 day expiring tickets, and we use the MB's associated with those accounts for those longer trips.

We set up those separate accounts for each person so there would be no danger that days from our non-expiring tickets would get used "accidently" if they were on the same MDE account/MB as our expiring tickets.

My question is if we are on a trip where we are entering the park with our expiring ticket MB's and have made 3 advanced FP with those, I assume we could we also make 3 advance FP on our other account with the non-expiring tickets. Since we did not use the non-expiring ticket MB to enter the park, would the 3 advanced FP associated with that MB still work inside the park? If so, would it "charge" a day to the non-expiring ticket since it was used inside the park, even though that ticket was not used to enter the park.

I really hope this would not work without charging the day to the non-expiring ticket. If it did, anyone with days remaining on a non-expiring ticket could get 3 additional advanced FP's for life, as long as they never used the non-expiring days.

 

[hiroMYhero]

My question is if we are on a trip where we are entering the park with our expiring ticket MB's and have made 3 advanced FP with those, I assume we could we also make 3 advance FP on our other account with the non-expiring tickets.

Yes. The FPs will be valid when you are in the park. Mark the MBs with a Sharpie so that you remember to never use them to enter a park. Your non-expiry ticket entitlements remain intact.

On trips where you use your non-expiry ticket, the MBs from MDE #2 can be used for SDFPs.

 

[dismedvc]

Yes. The FPs will be valid when you are in the park. Mark the MBs with a Sharpie so that you remember to never use them to enter a park. Your non-expiry ticket entitlements remain intact.

On trips where you use your non-expiry ticket, the MBs from MDE #2 can be used for SDFPs.

Between when I posted and you replied, I found and read a lot of the now closed ScrapYapy thread and saw you had a lot of posts on that thread and seem to be "in the know".

That thread talked about reassigning an old non expiry with 1 day left for NBFP. I did not think used tickets could be reassigned. I do know how to assign that old ticket to a particular MDE account, but is it correct that if it is never used by that MDE account to enter a park, can it then be continue to be reassigned to different MDE accounts, even though it has been used? (although it was used years ago before there even was MDE or FP+)

Am I also correct that if it had more than 1 day remaining, and it was used to enter a park, using the MB associated with the MDE it was assigned/linked, then after that occurred, it would no longer be able to be reassigned.

 

[Robo]

I did not think used tickets could be reassigned.

They can't be assigned to other guests.

 

[hiroMYhero]

Between when I posted and you replied, I found and read a lot of the now closed ScrapYapy thread and saw you had a lot of posts on that thread and seem to be "in the know".

That thread talked about reassigning an old non expiry with 1 day left for NBFP. I did not think used tickets could be reassigned. I do know how to assign that old ticket to a particular MDE account, but is it correct that if it is never used by that MDE account to enter a park, can it then be continue to be reassigned to different MDE accounts, even though it has been used? (although it was used years ago before there even was MDE or FP+)

Am I also correct that if it had more than 1 day remaining, and it was used to enter a park, using the MB associated with the MDE it was assigned/linked, then after that occurred, it would no longer be able to be reassigned.

Disney's MDE system knows exactly which type of ticket you have linked so yes, once it is assigned and used, you can't use it to reassign for the NBFPs. And, if it can be reassigned, you can add on phantoms to that specific MDE and reassign between the phantoms within that one MDE account.

It isn't necessary to have two accounts because you then have to link them together to get the 60-day window for both, change names so they don't get merged, etc.

All of the steps that are in ScrapYap's first posts still apply. She updated and pulled info from the complete thread so you don't need to read all of the thread.

 

[dismedvc]

It isn't necessary to have two accounts because you then have to link them together to get the 60-day window for both, change names so they don't get merged, etc.

Thanks hiroMYhero. I think it is just semantics and I might have classified it wrong. When I say two accounts, they are both under the same email log in. For example the one for the expiring tickets has the user name "Me", and the one for the non-expiring tickets is a sub-account with the User name "MeNE". (I think that is what you refer to as a phantom) If we are under the occupancy limit, I can add both to the room reservation and get the 60 day window for both, otherwise the MeNE still has the 30 day window even though it is not on the room reservation. Please let me know if this is correct, and even if it is, would you suggest something different

To clarify on your other point, if I assign, but never in the future use an old non-expiring ticket for park entry, would that old non-expiring ticket remain re-assignable, even though it was used years ago? That seems to be what is currently on the first post of the ScrapYapy thread.

 

[hiroMYhero]

@dismedvc - if the MeNE person is on the Family and Friends list of Me, you automatically receive the 60-day window. The catch is that Me needs to be grouped with the NE people to schedule the FPs and then Modified out of that grouping.

Example: book the same initial 3 FPs for all Me and MeNE people at the 60-day window. Then immediately Modify all the Me people to other rides.

If the old NE ticket has been converted to a new, plastic RFID ticket, then yes, you can assign it and reassign as necessary prior to its first use. E-tickets function in the same manner. You can't reassign any type of multi-day ticket after its first use.
At the time of initial usage, the biometric scan gets linked to that specific ticket.

 

[dismedvc]

@dismedvc You can't reassign any type of multi-day ticket after its first use.
At the time of initial usage, the biometric scan gets linked to that specific ticket.

That is what I thought, but below is what is still on the ScrapYap post #1 which was why I was confused.
Note: Our old partially used non-expires are paper non RFID, but they do have the printed number on them that would allow me to link them.

Additional Creative Reassigning - Vanishing NBFP+ NBFP+ are Night Before FP+. Here's how to get them:

Many tickets can be reassigned. (Obviously not annual passes.) Let's say you have one day left on a non-expiring hopper. You can use that ticket to prebook FP+ for one day for one guest in your group. You can then reassign the same ticket to another person on your MDE and also book for that person.

 

[hiroMYhero]

@dismedvc ~ Interesting because I know ScrapYap researched everything and she had others read and edit her rough draft of the update. So, I would believe her over me - especially because I was the one who read her rough draft and obviously can't remember that was specified. She also is very knowledgeable about tickets and park issues regarding tickets.

To research: link your old non-expiry ticket to whom you want it to belong. Then, if MDE allows you to reassign it, you can freely reassign it for NBFP. If MDE's Ticket Reservation area doesn't allow you to reassign after the initial link, then you'll know it can't be reassigned.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[dismedvc]

I made our FPs the night before using an old one day ticket.

Was the old one day ticket a ticket that had never been used, or a non-expiring ticket that had one day remaining?

I have some partially used paper non-expiring tickets that have never been assigned to a MDE account. If I could assign them to an MDE account and still be able to reassign them until they are actually used again for park entry, that would be a great way "store" them.