OKW Going Up to $180 PP

[ILoveMyDVC]

Why would you believe that it is a hassle for Disney to keep track of members, regardless of their number of points? A simple spreadsheet program can do this is seconds. My 100 point contract fits our travel style perfectly. I think Disney made the exact wrong move increasing the minimum buy-in. I, and many others, might not have ever bought at the higher number.

There's a cost to every mailing. There's a cost to every giveaway.

 

[Jwaire]

My 100 point contract fits our travel style perfectly. I think Disney made the exact wrong move increasing the minimum buy-in. I, and many others, might not have ever bought at the higher number.

You know what's interesting? DVC tends to just repeat itself over and over again. The minimum buy in has changed so many times. It's been 230, 100, 25, 75, 125 and now it's back to 150.

For those interested in buying, but not 150 points, just wait around long enough. It'll go back down eventually.

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

You know what's interesting? DVC tends to just repeat itself over and over again. The minimum buy in has changed so many times. It's been 230, 100, 25, 75, 125 and now it's back to 150.

For those interested in buying, but not 150 points, just wait around long enough. It'll go back down eventually.

Let's hope not.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

I just completed a 200 point purchases at RR and at 180 a point….
My guide implied that sales were fairly strong….

 

[KimMcGowan]

Let's hope not.

Once again, I will wholeheartedly disagree with you. DVC does not need to be elitist, where only those who have a huge minimum buy-in can be members. It should be attainable for most that are willing to save up enough to purchase. Just my two cents.

 

[Lee Matthews]

I just completed a 200 point purchases at RR and at 180 a point….
My guide implied that sales were fairly strong….

I think any guide trying to sell you Rivera would say that sales are strong

 

[Robbie Cottam]

I think any guide trying to sell you Rivera would say that sales are strong

True. I would totally agree, however, his availability was limited. Plus when I was down there in June every time I went to see him he was closing a deal

 

[Leight19]

Once again, I will wholeheartedly disagree with you. DVC does not need to be elitist, where only those who have a huge minimum buy-in can be members. It should be attainable for most that are willing to save up enough to purchase. Just my two cents.

I understand this point but my view of minimum being low is you end up getting too many people buying to stay in studios when not everyone can stay in studios (see copper creek). If this is an incorrect assumption I have no issue with minimum buy in being lower.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

There is something to be said for being vested in any thing.

I can understand stand why Disney hold the blue cards close.

I would not be surprised to see Disney change the rules again for the resale market.

They could easily drive the price of the third party resale down by limiting all new transfers to the exact resort that the points are purchased from.

just my two cents

 

[CarolynFH]

They could easily drive the price of the third party resale down by limiting all new transfers to the exact resort that the points are purchased from.

I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean here. Please explain further!

 

[kilik64]

I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean here. Please explain further!

Basically making all resale points like RR, can only be used at the resort they are tied to.

 

[PinkPixel]

You know what's interesting? DVC tends to just repeat itself over and over again. The minimum buy in has changed so many times. It's been 230, 100, 25, 75, 125 and now it's back to 150.

For those interested in buying, but not 150 points, just wait around long enough. It'll go back down eventually.

How does it work if you buy 25 points resale and need to buy more points to book your stay?

 

[CarolynFH]

Basically making all resale points like RR, can only be used at the resort they are tied to.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Sandisw]

Basically making all resale points like RR, can only be used at the resort they are tied to.

They can’t for those resorts already part of BVTC, only new resorts

 

[Robbie Cottam]

As others has somewhat said, there is nothing preventing DVC from changing the rules for resale DVC again.

They COULD, if they so chose to, issue a statement to the effect of "effective 10/1 all NEW DVC third party transfers will be limited to home resort only.

IMHO this would drive the value of resale way down and also making the BLUE CARD and direct purchase very attractive...

They could do this for all of the resorts, but only on new transfers, those that have already purchased would be grandfathered in. Just like they did in 2013ish

 

[RoseGold]

As others has somewhat said, there is nothing preventing DVC from changing the rules for resale DVC again.

They COULD, if they so chose to, issue a statement to the effect of "effective 10/1 all NEW DVC third party transfers will be limited to home resort only.

This would violate the O14 rules, hard.

There are some things they could do, like remove a resort entirely from the trade, or make a surcharge for any non-home points. But they can't eliminate the O14 exchange, and O14 can't discriminate against O14 resale.

RIV has completely different founding documentation, which is why they were allowed to restrict resale.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Each resort has a separate master contract. DVC allows members to book at other resort as a service in accordance with the master document. All they would have to do is change the document.

I may have my dates wrong here, but prior to 2013 if you purchased DVC resale, you still got the blue card, and all of the perks. Anyone that purchased post 2013 (again I may have my dates wrong) was limited to just the actual DVC resort. They have done it in the past they can do it again. As long as Disney control the Master Contract, they can amend it and those amendment would be valid on any transactions after the the date of the amendment

 

[Sandisw]

Each resort has a separate master contract. DVC allows members to book at other resort as a service in accordance with the master document. All they would have to do is change the document.

I may have my dates wrong here, but prior to 2013 if you purchased DVC resale, you still got the blue card, and all of the perks. Anyone that purchased post 2013 (again I may have my dates wrong) was limited to just the actual DVC resort. They have done it in the past they can do it again. As long as Disney control the Master Contract, they can amend it and those amendment would be valid on any transactions after the the date of the amendment

Except each resort was entered into BVTC with certain rules which is what allows the conversation from home resort points to DVC vacation points to be used elsewhere within DVC

It is those rules that govern the trading. Membership perks are not a part of the contract and considered incidental benefits. That is why those can and have been changed,

I do not believe…though have to read it again…that the master contract has language that would allow it. IIRC, certain changes require the vote of owners and the change of terms a resort was added to BVTC May be one of those as long as the resort remains part of it.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

I would reread paragraph 6.4
Then Exhibit "H" article 6, para. 6.2 (d) BVTC reserves the right to change the rules.... paraphrased
Then check out para 6.3 about "deleted" vacation homes.....

If Disney wanted to they could argue that any units not part of a direct sale, or the aggregate thereof, have been "deleted from inventory..

I still believe, and have not found anyone that says other wise, that as a private club "DVC" is allowed to have multiple levels of membership.

You're purchase still entitles you to membership just not the same member ship.

The bottom line is BVTC, DVC, DVCMC, etc have a way to limit the value of a third party transfer, if they so wanted.

It would be messy,
It would piss a lot of people off
And say far it has been easier on Disney's part to snatch contract via ROFR when they have people on the "waiting list"

I know two of my three BLT contracts where ROFR snatch backs.

 

[wnielsen1]

DVC nor any timeshare is an investment. You would have done way better the past 5, 10, 15 , 20 years if you had invested the money in a mutual fund.

This is true, especially the Villas at Grand Californian mutual fund