Oh yea - COASTER WARS IN ORLANDO !!!

[Mouseaholic!!!]

The Harry Potter area is going to get stale fast.. The series is over and that will limit inspiration for new attractions. Plus, except for the niche and fan groups, even the movies aren't going to bring in the crowds as they did in the beginning. It should have been done earlier while the iron was hot.

We'll see!

I'm sure the Disney Executives are crossing their fingers. Obviously they are doing little else!

 

[Mouseaholic!!!]

The Harry Potter area is going to get stale fast.. The series is over and that will limit inspiration for new attractions. Plus, except for the niche and fan groups, even the movies aren't going to bring in the crowds as they did in the beginning. It should have been done earlier while the iron was hot.

Using your idea then means the addition of Finding Nemo characters to the - new submarines in DL, Living Seas in WDW and SW in DL "aren't going to bring in the crowds as they did in the beginning. It should have been done earlier while the iron was hot".

Did you realize your negative works both ways? Well shame on Disney for wasting all that time and not striking while the iron was hot. Now Finding Nemo is all stale, old and out dated.

Let me ask, how many millions of children read the series of Finding Nemo books? .....and watched the trilogy of Finding Nemo hit movies?

 

[jimmymac]

The Harry Potter area is going to get stale fast.. The series is over and that will limit inspiration for new attractions. Plus, except for the niche and fan groups, even the movies aren't going to bring in the crowds as they did in the beginning. It should have been done earlier while the iron was hot.

Don't bet on it. There will be thousands upon thousands of kids lined up for the rest of the movies and the franchise will continue to rakew in millions. When was the last time thousands of kids camped out for a Disney movie? Hannah Montana? Puh-leeze

 

[LIDisneyFan]

One problem - as a DVC member, you buy IN because you go often. But if nothing is added or changed of substance, then there is no reason to keep going often, and no reason to buy DVC.

Quite frankly, I am now a FL resident and a DVC owner, and when I go to Orlando, I stay at DVC but spend most of my time (read that money) off property.

 

[Mouseaholic!!!]

One problem - as a DVC member, you buy IN because you go often. But if nothing is added or changed of substance, then there is no reason to keep going often, and no reason to buy DVC.

Quite frankly, I am now a FL resident and a DVC owner, and when I go to Orlando, I stay at DVC but spend most of my time (read that money) off property.

Wow! This is a true example that something is not right. Listening Mr. Disney Executive?

 

[BayouMickey]

Using your idea then means the addition of Finding Nemo characters to the - new submarines in DL, Living Seas in WDW and SW in DL "aren't going to bring in the crowds as they did in the beginning. It should have been done earlier while the iron was hot".

Did you realize your negative works both ways? Well shame on Disney for wasting all that time and not striking while the iron was hot. Now Finding Nemo is all stale, old and out dated.

Let me ask, how many millions of children read the series of Finding Nemo books? .....and watched the trilogy of Finding Nemo hit movies?

Don't bet on it. There will be thousands upon thousands of kids lined up for the rest of the movies and the franchise will continue to rakew in millions. When was the last time thousands of kids camped out for a Disney movie? Hannah Montana? Puh-leeze

Understand, I'm not saying this because I'm a fanboi or anything. I just already see it happening.. My son was THE Harry Potter fan. Has all the books (special hardcover editions), All the movies, wore his hair like Harry, got eye-glasses like Harry in essence he looked just like Harry! He was Harry for holloween 4 years! But now when I ask him "Are you excited about the new movie and did you know that US is making a HP themed area?" he just gave me a shrug and went "meh". The same was told to me by friends and relatives, most feel the novelty of it is gone.
As to why Disney's stuff has the staying power? Your guess is as good as mine! Truthfully, I'm not into all the newer Disney stuff, but for some reason I just can't get enough of the classics.

 

[Mouseaholic!!!]

Understand, I'm not saying this because I'm a fanboi or anything. I just already see it happening.. My son was THE Harry Potter fan. Has all the books (special hardcover editions), All the movies, wore his hair like Harry, got eye-glasses like Harry in essence he looked just like Harry! He was Harry for holloween 4 years! But now when I ask him "Are you excited about the new movie and did you know that US is making a HP themed area?" he just gave me a shrug and went "meh". The same was told to me by friends and relatives, most feel the novelty of it is gone.
As to why Disney's stuff has the staying power? Your guess is as good as mine! Truthfully, I'm not into all the newer Disney stuff, but for some reason I just can't get enough of the classics.

So you are into the Pixie dust - DH and I totally get the Magic of Mouseparks.

So what does MK do in a year for gate - 12M? How many of them are repeat guests who come more than once a year?

How many people in the US? Disney hasn't chipped away at the surface of guests who would come to a theme park.


New Coaster - better than those at Cedar Point? US is going to attract an entire new clientele. Coaster people are as hard core as we are about the Mouse. That's all new people to US.

In the mean time - when a DVC owner complains that there is nothing new and they use their DVC room for a hotel room and visit OUTSIDE WDW - there is a problem. Hey - have you looked at the DVC resales? Oh no - that's another topic all together.

You may not like Harry Potter more than tinkerbell - but there are plenty who do.

The bottom line - US is upgrading their experience in a BIG - BIG - BIG way in 2010. New Hot coaster - Harry Potter. Just the curious Disney guests with a week to kill and a desire to do something new will get Disney's attention.


But hey - do nothing Disney - after all, you have to save all that money for the Disney Executive Bonus plan. Wait - an idea - you guys can go to UNIVERSAL STUDIOS for your corporate outings.....you'll get front of the line access!

 

[BayouMickey]

So you are into the Pixie dust - DH and I totally get the Magic of Mouseparks.

So what does MK do in a year for gate - 12M? How many of them are repeat guests who come more than once a year?

How many people in the US? Disney hasn't chipped away at the surface of guests who would come to a theme park.


New Coaster - better than those at Cedar Point? US is going to attract an entire new clientele. Coaster people are as hard core as we are about the Mouse. That's all new people to US.

In the mean time - when a DVC owner complains that there is nothing new and they use their DVC room for a hotel room and visit OUTSIDE WDW - there is a problem. Hey - have you looked at the DVC resales? Oh no - that's another topic all together.

You may not like Harry Potter more than tinkerbell - but there are plenty who do.

The bottom line - US is upgrading their experience in a BIG - BIG - BIG way in 2010. New Hot coaster - Harry Potter. Just the curious Disney guests with a week to kill and a desire to do something new will get Disney's attention.


But hey - do nothing Disney - after all, you have to save all that money for the Disney Executive Bonus plan. Wait - an idea - you guys can go to UNIVERSAL STUDIOS for your corporate outings.....you'll get front of the line access!

I hope so! I could use the shorter lines lol

 

[Condorman]

I love how a few of you are championing USO and its new attractions, as if you know with the clairvoyance of Nostradamus that tens of thousands will line up to make these new features slam-dunk hits for decades to come. There will be initial interest, but even so USO will still not pull double-digit business away from WDW. You know it, I know it and the Disney Execs know it. Universal provides a completely different product -- a completely different mindset. People (such as you) who take the side of US, as if to browbeat Disney into submission, were going to go there anyway. People who prefer Disney will continue to come. People who like both will sample a little of each, but won't change their "spending habits" enough to send a message to Disney or Universal.

Don't act like you can predict the future. If you want to play that game, then here's my prediction: USO will see increased attendance and occupany for the first 18 months and then drop back down to its current levels. When the economy picks up, all the people currently visiting WDW will continue to go, and those who stopped will start going again. WDW won't miss a beat and will continue to beat the pants off of USO.

I'll say it one more time... WDW does not have to expand. It's already a juggernaut theme park that surpasses all others in the world. You may disagree, but don't compare it with USO. Other parks may have better aspects, but no park is better in its totality.

No park.

 

[paulh]

The Harry Potter area is going to get stale fast.. The series is over and that will limit inspiration for new attractions. Plus, except for the niche and fan groups, even the movies aren't going to bring in the crowds as they did in the beginning. It should have been done earlier while the iron was hot.

when was the last mickey mouse film?
Paulh

 

[movie77]

But they don't HAVE to do more.[/QUOTE]


They don't because they have such a loyal fanbase willing to over look outdated rides and closed exhibits. You wonder when the tipping point will be reached. I'm torn myself, we love going to Disney for the "Magic", but at the sametime I know the parks are really falling behind the times.

 

[BayouMickey]

when was the last mickey mouse film?
Paulh

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[Mouseaholic!!!]

But they don't HAVE to do more.

They don't because they have such a loyal fanbase willing to over look outdated rides and closed exhibits. You wonder when the tipping point will be reached. I'm torn myself, we love going to Disney for the "Magic", but at the sametime I know the parks are really falling behind the times.[/QUOTE]




You don't read these threads much, do you.

There is a fair amount of dissatisfaction. Most of it is from the long-timers like my DH and myself. Everyone one of us has a tipping point. Some of us struggle to keep our Rose Colored Glasses on longer than others....some just cannot admit their magic place isn't perfect anymore. But there IS a tipping point.

You will still love it - you will find your pixie dust with your family or friends....or just traveling by yourself so you can do EXACTLY what you wish. In the end, however, you will admit things are not good.

DH and I came to that place last year and 3 Disney trips a year became one. We now find magic ALL OVER the country with our new plan -- to visit every National Park in the country.

Two weeks and about 4 long weekend trips away from Disney. Only one Disney trip for us - DL. WDW was simply too shabby for us last time. Shabby in our faces we could no longer laugh off. To us, DL seems to be better - perhaps because it's closer to the grownups who can just wander in at any time.

Plenty of other places WANT our travel $$'s so we will give it to them. When Disney wakes up, we will be back.


You can only run an empire on an old reputation so long.

 

[MJMcBride]

It's more and more obvious that Disney is riding on a reputation.

That and Universal and SeaWorld have proven they can't compete with Disney. Until either of them shows any ability to draw crowds from Disney Parks there is no incentive for Disney to respond to new things at those parks.

 

[manning]

Disney also has continued to adjust perks, like no package delivery to resort rooms (this has been gone a while) and Universal adds things like front of the line access for on-site guests.

I love Disney dearly, but the mouse needs to find its way back home to steal back the magic.

Like study what walt did and adjust accordingly. They have to again learn how to treat the customer. Make them believe they are getting more than their money's worth.

 

[manning]

double post.

 

[Mouseaholic!!!]

like study what walt did and adjust accordingly. They have to again learn how to treat the customer. Make them believe they are getting more than their money's worth.

amen!

 

[rutgers1]

I have never been do Universal before, but I am going this year and I am going again when Harry Potter opens. I teach in a town with a lot of people who have the money to spend on regular vacations, and it is clear that the regular Disney pilgrimages are turning into Disney and Universal pilgrimages. One co-worker is taking her family during "Jersey week" only to go to Universal, which is something that I had never seen before. For some reason, not only Universal, but its hotels, have been getting a TON of great "word of mouth" advertising up here over the past year or two.

With that said, what can Disney do? I am not on the side that says that it is going downhill. I tend to think that people look at one area that is either missing or has diminished and fail to point out another area that has either been created or improved. However, I do think Disney has to do the following:
1) They have to figure out what they are going to do with Pleasure Island and Downtown Disney. It is an area that has a lot of potential, but they are obviously mishandling it....A side reason to fix things is to increase demand for staying at Saratoga Springs, the DVC resort right next store whose owners trade out to other DVC resorts at a much higher rate than people trade in. Right now, there isn't the incentive to stay there that Disney execs thought there'd be.

2) They need to relook at Magic Kingdom and do more to make the themed lands make sense. There is is rhyme or reason to having those polluting cars in Tomorrowland. The current format was all good back when the park opened, but things evolve, and fans are now demanding a more immersing experience. Universal is getting it right with Harry Potter. Disney was on the right path with Animal Kingdom (animal theme/immersion throughout), but for some reason it is still not where it needs to be.

3) They need to make Animal Kingdom and Hollywood Studios into full day parks. From my seat, each park needs five adult rides and five kid rides to make them a place that I would say all day.

4) They need to stop making the parks pay for every other area of the company that is mismanaged.

 

[doconeill]

Back about this particular coaster...the article doesn't mention the original date or the new open date (web site still says "Spring 2009")...but I CAN tell you it certainly isn't finished. They only had the track partway up the "signature" hill last Wednesday, and no visible signs of work.

 

[paulh]

Everyday on Mickey Mouse Clubhouse

film not tv
Paulh