Oh me, oh my-does baby Suri really exist???update now aka "The Suri Challenge"

[CathrynRose]

I wonder what Chris Klein is thinking & feeling today?

Interesting thought.

 

[DisneyGirl4188]

Thank you Amber - very good!

And again - not to sound snarky, but you really do need to read through the obnoxious number of posts in this thread, before you tell (at least) me what's "more believable". After reading some of the TRULY horror stories of Scientology, I *do* believe anything is possible when it comes to 'them'

Why thank you.

I agree that people need to read this WHOLE thread INCLUDING all the links (many thanks to you CR and the others that contributed).

I can't and won't believe anything that a Scientologist says. How can anyone believe a religion that was founded by a science FICTION writer?

 

[BeckyEsq]

Why is it so hard to believe that I have read the entire thread and come to a different conclusion? Do I need to take a quiz to prove I've read all the theories????

I can certainly admit that reasonable people can come to different conclusions about this. If I can respect your opinion then why is mine "drinking the Kool-Aid?"

As for paying people off, sure, I can believe that happened. What I find hard to believe is that people could keep quiet about it. That is really hard to do especially when one is in the public eye. I mean they've never yet managed to keep the winner of Survivor secret before the end of the season, or of The Amazing Race. And they have a whole team of lawyers signing everybody and their grandmother to secrecy agreements.

Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead. And I didn't say that, it was Ben Franklin.

 

[BeckyEsq]

Do you not think that maybe they paid off these people to keep quiet? Of course, no state official has ever been bribed.

Plus, anyone around Cruise has to sign a confidentiality agreement. They can't speak about this whole thing, else they be sued (and we all know how much Scientologists like to sue).

So it's more believable that a state official would take a bribe and risk going to prison, than to believe that someone would breacha confidentiality agreement and risk being sued? And how could Tom possibly enforce that kind of an agreement? If they breach it and he sues, he is legitimizing their claims. That's why those kinds of agreements don't work. (it's different in the case of Survivor etc b/c they are only seeking confidentiality for a certain time period, they can wait to legitimize the claims until after the finale airs and sue then).

Kat(i)e was reported to be a virgin (I doubt this is true though). So, she dates Chris Klein for 5 years and is engaged to be married to him, but never sleeps with him. Magically, she startes dating Tom and is pregnant? Please.

IF it is Tom's (which I highly doubt) she either slept with him pretty soon after they started dating AND even though HE (and others) have said he is sterile, he happens to get her pregnant. OR they started fertility treatments (which I doubt is OK with Scientologists). Would you begin treatments so soon after you started dating someone?

Isn't is much more believable that Kat(i)e was pregnant BEFORE they started dating and they set up an agreement to act as though the kid is his? That this is probably Klein's kid? She DOES in fact give birth to a child, but everyone fudges the dates a bit.

So you can believe that she is immoral enough to pass off one man's baby as another's, but not that she was loose enough to suddenly decide to sleep with someone she's been dating for a couple of weeks? You've never in your life known a long-time virgin who becomes a slut after she gives up the booty? LOL

You can't forget the reports that Tom met with other young females before Kat(i)e in hopes of setting up a "relationship".

I don't believe those reports are credible. Of course opinions can differ on this. Like I explained earlier, I don't believe that he could set up some kind of "agreement" with these women because it would be too risky and it would be completely unenforceable. So she tells everyone "I only had his child because he paid me!" and he sues her to enforce an agreement that says "You can't tell anyone I paid you to have my child!" ???? Wouldn't it be a heck of a lot easier for him to convince someone who is young and easily influenced and dazzled by him that she is in love with him?

Oh, according to Scientology you CAN be any religion and a Scientologist.

Yeah, I know, but I don't think the Catholic church is ready to return the favor. LOL

 

[BeckyEsq]

Thank you Amber - very good!

And again - not to sound snarky, but you really do need to read through the obnoxious number of posts in this thread, before you tell (at least) me what's "more believable". After reading some of the TRULY horror stories of Scientology, I *do* believe anything is possible when it comes to 'them'

I am not trying to tell you what is more believable, I am simply demonstrating that some thought has gone into my opinions and it is a bit more than "drinking the Kool-Aid." I think that we both have valid points and that is one of the reasons this issue is so fun to debate. If it was cut and dry then who the heck would even care to discuss it? This thread would be pretty darned boring if that were the case.

You seem so convinced that I haven't read the thread. Like it's totally inconceivable to you that I could have read it and come to a different conclusion. That's what I don't get!

 

[DisneyGirl4188]

If they have such a hard time keeping things secret, then why are we JUST NOW seeing photos of Suri? How did they get back and forth to the hospital, to LA and CO without ANYONE seeing the baby? They did a great job of keeping it secret, that's how. (That is IF this is their baby; Suri could have been adopted, but I'm thinking it's Klein's).

As for the confidentiality agreement, why wouldn't he go after them if they broke it? People have said that he is gay and he has sued them. Is THAT legitimizing their claims? Maybe, but he still does it.

I just don't see how a sane person can think that nothing fishy is going on here. Nothing seems to add up.

You are entitled to your own opinion and we are entitled to ours.

 

[CindyCan]

With regards to the age of the baby: someone mentioned there's a pic in VF with Tom holding Suri standing on his lap? Can anyone confirm how he's doing this? She's supposed to be 3 1/2 mos in these pics, right?

I'd love to see the picture because my DS sat unassisted at 4 mo & walked at 8 mo, and at 3 1/2 mo we couldn't have had him "standing" on our lap while holding him...not long enough to take a picture where he appeared to be standing! We would have been holding his weight, and he would have lifted his feet up, even if one at a time...does this make sense? He wasn't putting his weight on his feet at that point.

I'm in the camp that thinks she was pregnant when they "met", that he "interviewed" others, and she was in the right emotional place (pregnant, Catholic, alone) for him to exploit. (And it has nothing to do with his "fertility issues".)

Oh, and, I was watching eTalk today (it's like a Canadian version of ET) & it's too funny how they were saying that "Tom is really spinning it right to come out back on top!" (imagine a cheery voice)! I was thinking "Oh, who's drinking the kool-aide now?!? But it was interesting that they used the word "spinning"...they were totally acknowledging that he's on "damage-control mode"!

 

[CathrynRose]

You seem so convinced that I haven't read the thread. Like it's totally inconceivable to you that I could have read it and come to a different conclusion. That's what I don't get!

I think you just wanna bicker. Im not doing it. This thread's been too much fun.

I think theyre all a bunch of whack-jobs who are seriously DIShonest, and you think a miracle occured, and theyre all the up & up.

I got it.

 

[CathrynRose]

You are entitled to your own opinion and we are entitled to ours.

Thats right - and ours is theyre

 

[CathrynRose]

I'd love to see the picture because my DS sat unassisted at 4 mo & walked at 8 mo, and at 3 1/2 mo we couldn't have had him "standing" on our lap while holding him...not long enough to take a picture where he appeared to be standing! We would have been holding his weight, and he would have lifted his feet up, even if one at a time...does this make sense? He wasn't putting his weight on his feet at that point.

Yeah - i thought that too. What was the length of this baby at birth? Does that BC list it?

Thats a LOOOOONG, TALL baby at 3.5 months and...granted Kat(i)e is tall - but Tommy sure the heck makes up for that... what is he? 5'1" ? LOL

 

[BeckyEsq]

If they have such a hard time keeping things secret, then why are we JUST NOW seeing photos of Suri? How did they get back and forth to the hospital, to LA and CO without ANYONE seeing the baby? They did a great job of keeping it secret, that's how. (That is IF this is their baby; Suri could have been adopted, but I'm thinking it's Klein's).

As for the confidentiality agreement, why wouldn't he go after them if they broke it? People have said that he is gay and he has sued them. Is THAT legitimizing their claims? Maybe, but he still does it.

I just don't see how a sane person can think that nothing fishy is going on here. Nothing seems to add up.

You are entitled to your own opinion and we are entitled to ours.

Good points. I am not sure how they sneaked to and from the hospital but can believe they pulled that off more so than they pulled off adopting a baby with no one knowing.

I don't believe it is Klein's because I remember hearing they had broken up a couple of months before she started dating Tom. The timing just doesn't seem right to me. Mainly because in the early pictures of their dating, she doesn't look PG to me.

Suing people because they said he was gay is different, that is a tort action based on the tort of defamation. Suing someone for breaching an agreement is different because the agreement itself would have to come out. and if that agreement says "you can't tell anyone that we adopted our baby" or something like that, then releasing the agreement for the sake of enforcing it would blow the whistle on whatever it was designed to protect. Now I could buy that he could enforce a complete hush agreement where they aren't allowed to say ANYTHING or make any statements at all. But even that would make him look bad if it came out. It's definitely possible but it's not the fool-proof, mustache-twirling perfect plan that some would make it out to be.

Oh, there's probably something fishy going on. I'm not denying they are a couple of odd birds. But in my experience, the weirder people are, the more likely they are to procreate. LOL

I agree we are all entitled to our opinions.

 

[BeckyEsq]

With regards to the age of the baby: someone mentioned there's a pic in VF with Tom holding Suri standing on his lap? Can anyone confirm how he's doing this? She's supposed to be 3 1/2 mos in these pics, right?

I'd love to see the picture because my DS sat unassisted at 4 mo & walked at 8 mo, and at 3 1/2 mo we couldn't have had him "standing" on our lap while holding him...not long enough to take a picture where he appeared to be standing! We would have been holding his weight, and he would have lifted his feet up, even if one at a time...does this make sense? He wasn't putting his weight on his feet at that point.

I'm in the camp that thinks she was pregnant when they "met", that he "interviewed" others, and she was in the right emotional place (pregnant, Catholic, alone) for him to exploit. (And it has nothing to do with his "fertility issues".)

Oh, and, I was watching eTalk today (it's like a Canadian version of ET) & it's too funny how they were saying that "Tom is really spinning it right to come out back on top!" (imagine a cheery voice)! I was thinking "Oh, who's drinking the kool-aide now?!? But it was interesting that they used the word "spinning"...they were totally acknowledging that he's on "damage-control mode"!

My niece could support her weight standing at 3 months.

 

[BeckyEsq]

I think you just wanna bicker. Im not doing it. This thread's been too much fun.

I think theyre all a bunch of whack-jobs who are seriously DIShonest, and you think a miracle occured, and theyre all the up & up.

I got it.

I don't want to bicker actually. I only intended to make one post, which if you disagreed with, you could have ignored, but instead you attacked me. And I have tried to leave this thread a few times but I keep getting quoted!

Sorry again for interrupting your fun! Maybe you should have titled this thread "NO DEBATES" like some of the others so everyone would agree. LOL

 

[andromedaslove]

Just a little information about the "Turd" sculpture that was previously pictured.

Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes have finally put Hollywood at ease by publishing the first photo of their daughter Suri, four months after her birth, in Vanity Fair magazine's October issue.

Wednesday's photo shows a dark-haired, blue-eyed Suri, who bears a striking resemblance to her mother, in her fathers' arms, with Cruise and Holmes tenderly looking down at her.

The picture finally put to rest media rumors and speculation about Suri, fueled by her parents' refusal to show her in public, that went as far as to doubt Suri's very existence - she was born April 18.

Suri's public debut, and a 22-page photo spread by celebrity photographer Annie Leibovitz inside Vanity Fair, were important enough to make the CBS Evening News, which late Wednesday was anchored for the first time by Katie Couric, the first woman to head a US network's flagship evening news program.

The cover photo of Suri Cruise and her parents was taken July 27 at Telluride, Colorado, where the "Mission: Impossible" star owns a house.

In the article, Holmes said it was "heartbreaking" to hear rumors that her relationship with Cruise and the birth of their daughter had been thought up as a publicity stunt to boost Cruise's promotion of "War of the Worlds," and her "Batman Begins."

"It's really frustrating the amount of s*** that's out there. And the stuff they say about Suri? You shouldn't say that about us, and you can't say that about my child," Holmes, 27, told Vanity Fair.

Cruise and Holmes got together in May 2005. The entertainment press, which dubbed the pair "TomKat," has shown a seemingly insatiable appetite for news of the pair and their "TomKitten."

That appetite reached a quaint peak August 30, when eager fans were given an unusual preview of a bronze cast depicting Suri Cruise's first solid stool.

The scatological sculpture, which sits on a wooden mounting with a glass casing, was purportedly cast from 19-week old Suri's first bowel movement and is shown at the Capla Kesting gallery in Brooklyn, New York, before it is sold later this month on eBay, with proceeds from the sale going to infant health charity March Of Dimes.

 

[flortlebap]

My DD could also stand at 3 months. She was a very strong baby from birth!

I don't understand all these conspiracy theories about Suri to be honest I mean would you want to be hounded by the press when you have a newborn? I wouldn't let them anywhere near my baby so I don't blame other people for hiding either.

 

[andromedaslove]

I'm sorry, but I thought this was freakin' hilarious!!

Will Chris Klein appear on Maury Povich’s show demanding a paternity test? Oh, Chris, please do. Then when the results say that you are, in fact, the father of Suri Cruise, please jump up and down, landing on the dirty carpet to rest your head only to come up in a full rage to point your finger in Katie’s face and say, “B****, I told you. I told you. He ain’t about ****! I told you!” Then, hopefully, Tom will walk off the stage where he will be held at the side by some lowly stressed-out PA before security comes. And Katie will be crying. Oh, will she be crying but they will be tears of joy because next week, she’s about to blow it all through the roof with the tell-all book and she ain’t tripping because she got half of what Tom is worth anyway in the divorce. And that big *** picture of Suri that is on the projector screen in the back is so Chris Klein’s baby and we all knew that but the show is so good and it’s not like anything else is on. I mean, you decide. HGTV’s That’s Clever or Maury Povich’s SPECIAL on the paternity test results for Suri Cruise?

 

[CathrynRose]

I'm sorry, but I thought this was freakin' hilarious!!

It was! LOL!

And all the conspiracy theories - theyre in fun, in jest - and due in part to the fact that they belong to a Cult.

Sorry - join a Cult, youre fair game... That's in "Cathryn's Handbook"

 

[poppinspal]

I had to come here and comment. I caught an episode of Dawsons Creek the other day and I kept thinking where did Katie go wrong? She used to be so cute and all-american. Now I wonder if she is really happy in this totally different life style.

I also kept thinking they were all way under dressed for winter in Cape Cod but that's a whole other topic.

 

[tink2020]

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But in my experience, the weirder people are, the more likely they are to procreate. LOL

OMG, how true!

I have nothing more to add on the matter, sorry for interrupting. But that's a hilariously true statement!

 

[va32h]

I mean would you want to be hounded by the press when you have a newborn? I wouldn't let them anywhere near my baby so I don't blame other people for hiding either.

I definitely wouldn't want to be hounded by the press. Which is why I have never jumped up and down on Oprah's couch, and made out in front of a bunch of photographers at every movie premiere I attended.

If the Cruise family thinks that, having courted public attention for months and flaunted their relationship in front of the press, that the very same press should not expect similar publicity for the baby, then they are just stupid.

These pictures are published now because...oh gosh, maybe because Cruise received negative publicity for being dumped by Paramount and now he needs positive press. Which is probably the motivation behind apologizing to Brooke Shields, conveniently before she makes an appearance on the Tonight Show so she can tell everyone about the apology.

Now that I have seen the Vanity Fair pics in person, the baby's hair does not look like a wig, fortunately. The baby is absolutely adorable. Her parents are still lunatics, IMO.