Oh me, oh my-does baby Suri really exist???update now aka "The Suri Challenge"

[Nancy]

but in the context of the show 'oklahoma' the character 'curley' who is singing it is wooing/seducing the very innocent female by telling of something that does not exist. the surrey is something he hopes to aquire/will exist only if she agrees to date him. at the end of the song the female realizes the 'surrey' is only a fantasy that curley has created to woo her and declines his invitation.

The song is more fitting than I thought!

Curly (tommyboy) seducing a young innocent female (Katie) The Surrey (suri) is something he hopes will exist or acquire if she agrees to his plan. Now we all know or think that Surrey (Suri) isn't really his, and hopefully Katie will decline to marry him!

 

[Nancy]

Tom and Katie throw AMAZING parites. They are just so incredibly fun! Here is a pic of the last party. It was amazingly FUN! I think the beverages they serve up are wonderfully amazing...

Could those glasses get any bigger! Holy Moly! They are amazing!

 

[momrek06]

Tom and Katie throw AMAZING parites. They are just so incredibly fun! Here is a pic of the last party. It was amazingly FUN! I think the beverages they serve up are wonderfully amazing...

 

[SplshMtn99]

 

[BeckyEsq]

If you actually read the posts you would realize that is not the case at all. It is well documented that he is infertile. His ex-wife said it; his second ex-wife of ten years had no children with him and they adopted two. His first ex has had a biological child, his second ex is rumored to be sporting the baby bump right now with her new husband. Katie looked already pregnant in a picture from their first date. THAT is why we all think it is not HIS child. Not to mention him saying he was cured by his believe in Scientology.

No ignorance on infertility from me (me, not him though), After surgery and fertility drugs I had 3 children in five years time. Had to do it quick before the body shut down again.

I don't care if 17 different DOCTORS diagnosed him as "infertile," he could still have a biological child naturally. It happens all the time, and has happened to people I know.

I guess I am more inclined to believe in miracles than conspiracies!

 

[BeckyEsq]

Oh please. This is a fun thread and we have PLENTY of reasons to believe this is not his child. And the fact that he has adopted children is not even one of them. That's irrelavent. If you want to come onto a 130+ page thread and tear it apart, I suggest you read it first.

Really? I believe this is a quote from your post #585:

Not only that but that Tom was married twice before and was in another long term marriage and never had natural children. Then all of a sudden......

I honestly didn't come here to argue with anyone. My initial post was making a statement about the attitude of PEOPLE in general (not anyone in this thread) believing that someone who has suffered from infertility and adopted in the past is incapable of having a biological child. I know he's a celebrity so he's considered to be "fair game" but if it were me it would hurt me incredibly to have someone suggest my child was not mine for that reason.

I was attacked for my original post and I will admit that I went a little overboard defending myself in my 2nd post. I apologize for implying that many people in the thread are basing their "theories" on his adopting in the past. I am sure there are many people here who do not believe that. I also believe that thinking IS a the heart of many people's opinions, and many of the other "clues" are just ways to back up that thinking. My first post was reacting to a couple of other posts that had mentioned the view of adopting parents so I thought it was okay to add my opinion from that viewpoint. I didn't realize that differences of opinion would not be welcome. Like I said, I did go a little overboard in my second post but that is because I felt defensive after I was attacked for being "hostile" and basically told I wasn't welcome since I wasn't a long-time poster in the thread.

I honestly don't want to pick a fight and I am sorry for interrupting the fun. You can return to your regularly scheduled bashing now!

 

[Nancy]

I don't care if 17 different DOCTORS diagnosed him as "infertile," he could still have a biological child naturally. It happens all the time, and has happened to people I know.

I guess I am more inclined to believe in miracles than conspiracies!

Sure and I could win the lottery tonight too. I have just about as much of a chance as that happening as this does turning out to be his child. Just my opinion, not medical fact.

 

[BeckyEsq]

Sure and I could win the lottery tonight too. I have just about as much of a chance as that happening as this does turning out to be his child. Just my opinion, not medical fact.

Definitely true that the odds are against it. Of course he does have access to the best medical care available -- although I suppose he claims not to use it.

 

[Nancy]

Definitely true that the odds are against it. Of course he does have access to the best medical care available -- although I suppose he claims not to use it.

Exactly! I know what I went through to have my kids. It took drugs and major surgery. He doesn't take drugs, not necessary, he has reached the theton level and is clear. My take is that she was pregnant already based on the picture taken on their first date. The picture is probably back about 4-5 pages and she is wearing a tight white dress. There is definitely a baby belly on her then and it was their FIRST date. I think she got hoodwinked big time by his star status.

 

[BeckyEsq]

Exactly! I know what I went through to have my kids. It took drugs and major surgery. He doesn't take drugs, not necessary, he has reached the theton level and is clear. My take is that she was pregnant already based on the picture taken on their first date. The picture is probably back about 4-5 pages and she is wearing a tight white dress. There is definitely a baby belly on her then and it was their FIRST date. I think she got hoodwinked big time by his star status.

I don't know, there were a lot of pictures of them at different awards shows, etc. when they first started dating and she looked very thin to me then.

I do know a couple who had two children via IVF, were told they would never conceive naturally (he had a very low sperm count due to medication for Crohn's Disease) and their third child was conceived naturally and was a big surprise to them. I know another couple who had one child via IVF and got PG with their second naturally and unplanned when the first was two months old. So while it is rare it does happen!

I agree that all his scientology BS is crap. If he got a miracle it's in spite of all that, not because of it, IMO.

 

[kdibattista]

I honestly didn't come here to argue with anyone. My initial post was making a statement about the attitude of PEOPLE in general (not anyone in this thread) believing that someone who has suffered from infertility and adopted in the past is incapable of having a biological child. I know he's a celebrity so he's considered to be "fair game" but if it were me it would hurt me incredibly to have someone suggest my child was not mine for that reason.

I was attacked for my original post and I will admit that I went a little overboard defending myself in my 2nd post. I apologize for implying that many people in the thread are basing their "theories" on his adopting in the past. I am sure there are many people here who do not believe that. I also believe that thinking IS a the heart of many people's opinions, and many of the other "clues" are just ways to back up that thinking. My first post was reacting to a couple of other posts that had mentioned the view of adopting parents so I thought it was okay to add my opinion from that viewpoint. I didn't realize that differences of opinion would not be welcome. Like I said, I did go a little overboard in my second post but that is because I felt defensive after I was attacked for being "hostile" and basically told I wasn't welcome since I wasn't a long-time poster in the thread.

I honestly don't want to pick a fight and I am sorry for interrupting the fun. You can return to your regularly scheduled bashing now!

Hi Becky

I'm from the Adoption Updates thread... please don't go. We welcome everyone here to participate in the Suri Challenge. Believe me, I understand the sensitivity involved here. As you read earlier, I misconstrued a comment. I know nobody here would ever intentionally try to hurt someone with infertility issues. It's a whole combination of Tom's craziness, his wackiness (come on... admit it... the guy's wacko ). Part of that is Scientology and their far out beliefs about what "cured" infertility. I feel comfortable that I can speak for everyone here that no one bashed Tom (or others) for being infertile (whether he is or not). It's the whole picture.

I hope you take this to heart. And now maybe I'm getting a little too personal and way off topic but I hope it helps. My husband and I decided to adopt before we found out we had any fertility issues and we probably could conceive with treatment. We are choosing not to do that. We cannot, after everything we have researched and after all our soul searching, we cannot imagine having a child naturally. We know that adoption is the way our family is meant to come together. We have never second guessed our decision and I think our truly knowing that makes any infertility issues nonexistant. It doesn't matter. I hope that you can come to terms... I mean truly come to terms... and be at peace with your situation. Does that mean you should not stick up for insensitive (whether intentional or not) comments... absolutely not. But I tell you when you reach that peace, you are able to be a lot more objective about things. Please, I mean no disrespect, but I sense a lot of anger in your posts and I just hope that you can redirect that in the direction that is going to be best for you and your child

I am always here for you if you need to talk

ETA: I also apologize if I'm off base

 

[KristiKelly]

Well, IF this is Tom's biological child then I think perhaps he owes Nicole a big fat apology.

I watched about 1/2 the interview last night but the lovefest made me so nauseous I had to change the channel. It all seems so amazing and beautiful, esp. what she described as she pulled up to the Cruise "compound" (Didn't David Koresh (sp??) live in a compound???). The family all out in the yard playing and laughing, it was just beautiful. And how they all teared up when Annie took the pic (the one that's on the cover) they finally knew they had "THE" shot, it was just amazing. Oh Please, somebody needs to bronze all that BS.

I remember the last time DH, DS9, DD6, DD 14 mo. and myself were all out in our yard it was truly amazing. We were so in love and laughing, it was very similar to what was described last night, it brought tears to my eyes just seeing our amazing & beautiful family (I'm wiping the tears now just thinking about how amazing it was). I'm sure it was obvious for those that saw us just how much we all love each other...amazing...beautiful...tears... Except of course when we were fussing @ DS to stop pushing his sister down, and fussing @ DD6 to stop screaming at DS, chasing DD 14 mo that we've nicknamed "Stitch" for obvious reasons, other than that it was amazing and beautiful.

Back to the amazing topic, One of the pics of Tom and Suri showed him holding her standing up, feet on his knees. In those pics shouldn't she be about 3 mo? WOW, she's one big baby, looks more like 5 mo. to me.

I believe that Suri is Katie's biological baby, but I don't believe she is Tom's. I think he wants to raise her as his own, nothing wrong with that, I think that is great. Looking at those early pics of Katie in the white dress, she was preg before she met him. I do think they kept the actual birth a secret due to the timeline. Many, many, many pages back there were pics of her pregnant (from March) maybe, early March the baby was very low (probably a real shot of Katie preg) then late March-early April, the baby is very high. I've had 3 babies and never once did my baby go back up after it dropped.

Anyway, that all being said, Suri is a cute baby it's just to bad she's gonna be raised in a cult.

 

[Pooh's Pixie]

I posted WAY back about a friend who went to the same fertility specialist in Boston as Tom & Mimi...way back. I am of the opinion that it isn't his kid and it is either Chris Klein's or adopted...Of course adopting a baby is great but don't LIE ABOUT IT for personal gain!!!!!!!!!!!

She is a cutie though but this WHOLE picture thing is just wacko. I have never heard such propaganda as the VF lady last night...what bs. Did anyone else notice that they kept referring to the baby during the Larry King interview as "it"? I thought that was weird.

 

[BeckyEsq]

Hi Becky

I'm from the Adoption Updates thread... please don't go. We welcome everyone here to participate in the Suri Challenge. Believe me, I understand the sensitivity involved here. As you read earlier, I misconstrued a comment. I know nobody here would ever intentionally try to hurt someone with infertility issues. It's a whole combination of Tom's craziness, his wackiness (come on... admit it... the guy's wacko ). Part of that is Scientology and their far out beliefs about what "cured" infertility. I feel comfortable that I can speak for everyone here that no one bashed Tom (or others) for being infertile (whether he is or not). It's the whole picture.

I hope you take this to heart. And now maybe I'm getting a little too personal and way off topic but I hope it helps. My husband and I decided to adopt before we found out we had any fertility issues and we probably could conceive with treatment. We are choosing not to do that. We cannot, after everything we have researched and after all our soul searching, we cannot imagine having a child naturally. We know that adoption is the way our family is meant to come together. We have never second guessed our decision and I think our truly knowing that makes any infertility issues nonexistant. It doesn't matter. I hope that you can come to terms... I mean truly come to terms... and be at peace with your situation. Does that mean you should not stick up for insensitive (whether intentional or not) comments... absolutely not. But I tell you when you reach that peace, you are able to be a lot more objective about things. Please, I mean no disrespect, but I sense a lot of anger in your posts and I just hope that you can redirect that in the direction that is going to be best for you and your child

I am always here for you if you need to talk

ETA: I also apologize if I'm off base

Kim,

I appreciate your post. I know that no one would say anything insensitive on purpose, at least not here. Like I said earlier my initial post was NOT directed at this thread but rather at comments in general (I really had many of the tabloids in mind!) My second post was a defensive reaction and a bit off base, and that's why I apologized. I really wanted to make one comment and wasn't looking for a debate but I was pretty harshly attacked for making that one comment.

We also decided to adopt as a CHOICE as we decided not to pursue IVF. We were actually great candidates for it (being young and having no discernable problems, our IF is unexplained). I appreciate your concern but actually I really am at peace with the decision. Our adoption process has gone very smoothly so far and I am long past the daily emotional roller coaster (we had been TTC for four years). Time really does heal most wounds.

It does make me angry when people demonstrate ignorance about adoption and IF because I know that my future child will have to encounter that ignorance. (It also angers me that a lot of people seem to think TC is gay and that is also linked to his infertility -- many people (AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE HERE) seem to think that infertility is a sexual disorder.) But the majority of the anger you saw in my posts was a reaction to being told that I am "hostile" "read the whole thread" and "you don't know what you're talking about." I don't have some deep psychological problem, it was a reaction to what I felt was incredibly rude. And as I demonstrated at the top of this page, I *have* read the majority of the thread and it's a bit too long for anyone to have it memorized!

 

[rhanditresmom]

Seriously, the kid looks fake... she has a pompadour for christ's sake

I'm still thinking..."Nelson's Baby Toupees."

she really looks like she's wearing one on the cover of VF.......

(thank you, SNL...)

 

[Disney1fan2002]

So, who wants to be a fly on the wall of the Cruise household?

Now that the pictures are out, the media is certainly seeing the Klien resemblance.

How can they not be talking about it? (Tom and Katie) I am sure Katie is excited, because once it is all out in the open, she can break free. But Tom must be kicking himself now. Someone has pulled the pin in the grenade, and it is going to BLOW.

 

[kdibattista]

Kim,

I appreciate your post. I know that no one would say anything insensitive on purpose, at least not here. Like I said earlier my initial post was NOT directed at this thread but rather at comments in general (I really had many of the tabloids in mind!) My second post was a defensive reaction and a bit off base, and that's why I apologized. I really wanted to make one comment and wasn't looking for a debate but I was pretty harshly attacked for making that one comment.

We also decided to adopt as a CHOICE as we decided not to pursue IVF. We were actually great candidates for it (being young and having no discernable problems, our IF is unexplained). I appreciate your concern but actually I really am at peace with the decision. Our adoption process has gone very smoothly so far and I am long past the daily emotional roller coaster (we had been TTC for four years). Time really does heal most wounds.

It does make me angry when people demonstrate ignorance about adoption and IF because I know that my future child will have to encounter that ignorance. (It also angers me that a lot of people seem to think TC is gay and that is also linked to his infertility -- many people (AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE HERE) seem to think that infertility is a sexual disorder.) But the majority of the anger you saw in my posts was a reaction to being told that I am "hostile" "read the whole thread" and "you don't know what you're talking about." I don't have some deep psychological problem, it was a reaction to what I felt was incredibly rude. And as I demonstrated at the top of this page, I *have* read the majority of the thread and it's a bit too long for anyone to have it memorized!

Some of the comments make me crazy too but I like to look at is as an opportunity to educate (as you have done )

I truly hope I didn't offend

 

[Beth76]

KristiKelly, obviously our families just aren't as amazing and wonderful as the Cruise Clan. Because I don't cry either when I'm playing with the kids unless one of them hits me in the nose. I thought that whole interview could have been bronzed.

 

[Beth76]

Really? I believe this is a quote from your post #585:

That might be my quote but that doesn't say that just because he had adopted children that he's infertile. It simply says that he had been married twice previously with no children, a long term relationship with no children and then "got Katie pregnant" (a self professed virgin until marriage) within 3 months of meeting her. Those are facts. Well ok, the getting Katie pregnant is not a fact.

 

[BeckyEsq]

Some of the comments make me crazy too but I like to look at is as an opportunity to educate (as you have done )

I truly hope I didn't offend

Not at all.