Official WDW Marathon Weekend 2013 Thread

[Qltrgrl2]

I agree with Rick.....make sure you have a good taper so your body can heal from the long training runs. By the way, the half marathon training plans that I have used have the longest run at 13 miles. That is usually three weeks out from the race.

 

[RunRosemary]

Staying on the toenail topic:
Other suggestions or remedies? I have bigger shoes, special socks and now I'm running with toe caps because any run over 5 miles results in blisters under my second toenail. Even then, I get blisters. I have lost count of how many times I've lost them. Never really causes much pain, just uncomfortable the day after and it creeps out my nail lady. I'm willing to try anything so give me your best advice, please!

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[butiflfeet]

Yes, but are both your feet the same size? My right foot is a 7.5, my left is closer to an 8. So I need an 8.5 when I get into longer runs. Just a thought.

My feet are very near each other in size. I would say that my right foot is perhaps a little bit larger though Like I said, I only went to a full size larger than my everyday shoes when my long runs got longer last year. For shorter runs I don't seem to have a problem. I do not envy you though having feet that are a half size difference. That would not make shoe shopping very fun

WIth the amount of miles you have already run, and you already have a 12-mile long run already in your schedule, I do not think you really need to do a 14-mile long run two weeks before the race. The only reason to do so would be for mental piece of mind as your fitness level is pretty much already set and that last 14-mmiler is not going to improve your fitness level prior to the race.

If you really want to do one last Long Run, just do another 12-miler. But I think the rest that comes with tapering is just as important as all these long runs and there is value to not cut the taper short.

I agree with Rick.....make sure you have a good taper so your body can heal from the long training runs. By the way, the half marathon training plans that I have used have the longest run at 13 miles. That is usually three weeks out from the race.

Thanks for your input! I'm planning on tapering for 2 weeks after the 14 miler but I may just stick with a second 12 mile run It's really just a mental thing for me with the 14 mile long run. I know its only one mile longer than the race so its not like it would give me that much of a boost fitness-wise.

 

[MightyDuck001]

Staying on the toenail topic:
Other suggestions or remedies? I have bigger shoes, special socks and now I'm running with toe caps because any run over 5 miles results in blisters under my second toenail. Even then, I get blisters. I have lost count of how many times I've lost them. Never really causes much pain, just uncomfortable the day after and it creeps out my nail lady. I'm willing to try anything so give me your best advice, please!

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I enjoyed grossing my sister out with my lack of toenail on two toes and two additional bruised toenails, but I was not happy that this occurred during flip flop season. The larger size seems to have helped, but I just got my toes back to normal so I don't know what to do for repeat offenders...

 

[IamTrike]

I need to firm up my lodging plans for marathon weekend. I'm trying to get it done on a shoestring since I'm making the trip solo. I'll probably stay off-property since I'm driving down to Orlando and I'll have my car.

BUT... I'm open to rooming with someone in a Disney resort if there's another solo runner looking for a weekend roomie to split the cost with. I'm married male, smoke-free, etc. There's nothing weird here, I'm just looking into all my lodging options. PM me.

you might want to check out the Disdads. They are having a convention at Disney that week and I think there are some guys that are looking for roomates. They have a section here under Disney For Families section of this website. Even if you don't end up rooming with them, they're a good group of guys so feel free to virtually drop by.

Has anyone found that when they get up into the longer distances you need a bigger shoe? I ran 15 miles last week and have 4 toe nails that are purple. 15 is my longest distance to date. I've done 13 several times and never had a problem. My shoes aren't too old. I got them the end of June, and I wear the same kind of socks all the time. Didn't know if I should go up half a size for the higher miles?

I'm a heavier guy but I wound up needing to go up a size and a half to stop getting blister on the ends of my toes.

 

[BigEeyore]

One of the posters asked a question earlier about plantar fascitis and I gave a link to my doctor's website. I wish I had thought of this earlier for some of the other questions that have been asked in regards to training, injury, nutrition, etc... If you are interested in finding out information about these areas I suggest giving his website a try. It is sock-doc.com. His name is Dr. Stephen Gangemi and he has completed (I stand corrected earlier) 20 Ironmen competitions and was an All-American Triathlete in 1996 and 2004. They call him sock-doc because he wears socks/ no shoes when treating patients! I am not saying that he will work for everyone but he took 45 minutes off my running time from the Chicago marathon to the Marine Corp and I'm a stay at home mom not an elite athlete. He also shows videos on how to treat injuries. I believe some are now on utube. I hope this benefits somebody. He is a neat guy!

I spent quite a bit of time yesterday checking out his website. Some of the info is really helpful - like how my knee issues are probably really stemming from hip issues. I am also very confused about some of his suggestions - not to stretch, not to ice injuries, not to take nsaids. He does give you something to think about - I have never considered that diet has anything to do with inflammation as he suggests, so that has me really thinking about changing some things in my diet. Thank you for the info!

 

[tehvalerie]

I've read conflicting advice on this topic, so I'm just wondering if you all stretch before you run or not. The last two runs I've done this week (both 3 miles each), I've experienced horrible pain in my shins for the first half of the run. They just felt like they were burning, to the point that I had to make a concentrated mental effort to keep running with one foot in front of the other. Both times I stopped a couple times to stretch and it went away by the end of the run, but it was a fairly miserable experience overall. I've read repeatedly that you shouldn't stretch cold muscles, so am I just doomed to suffer at the beginning of each run?

 

[PRmamiDEdos]

I spent quite a bit of time yesterday checking out his website. Some of the info is really helpful - like how my knee issues are probably really stemming from hip issues. I am also very confused about some of his suggestions - not to stretch, not to ice injuries, not to take nsaids. He does give you something to think about - I have never considered that diet has anything to do with inflammation as he suggests, so that has me really thinking about changing some things in my diet. Thank you for the info!

I've read conflicting advice on this topic, so I'm just wondering if you all stretch before you run or not. The last two runs I've done this week (both 3 miles each), I've experienced horrible pain in my shins for the first half of the run. They just felt like they were burning, to the point that I had to make a concentrated mental effort to keep running with one foot in front of the other. Both times I stopped a couple times to stretch and it went away by the end of the run, but it was a fairly miserable experience overall. I've read repeatedly that you shouldn't stretch cold muscles, so am I just doomed to suffer at the beginning of each run?

I'm personally scared of NSAID's because my mother was diagnosed with kidney failure by a doctor and after further testing it turned it to be slight damage from NSAIDs. Thank God it's nothing major, but I'll stick with Tylenol. I used to pop OTC pain relievers all the time but now I only take them when my joints are extremely achy and i just can't bear it anymore. She and I both have low vitamin D but I'm not sure if that has anything to do with being achy on a daily basis.

My BIL (who studied kinesiology at Penn State) has told me stretching is important before AND after exercise. This being said,, it is dangerous to stretch a cold muscle so I always jog n place, do a few jumping jacks, etc., just to loosen things up and then I lightly stretch before running. My post-run stretch routine is more intensive, plus it just feels good.

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[Sabeking]

I've read conflicting advice on this topic, so I'm just wondering if you all stretch before you run or not. The last two runs I've done this week (both 3 miles each), I've experienced horrible pain in my shins for the first half of the run. They just felt like they were burning, to the point that I had to make a concentrated mental effort to keep running with one foot in front of the other. Both times I stopped a couple times to stretch and it went away by the end of the run, but it was a fairly miserable experience overall. I've read repeatedly that you shouldn't stretch cold muscles, so am I just doomed to suffer at the beginning of each run?

Check out this website for video on shin pain. Also, I have not stretched in a year. I will probably get flamed by some but my doctor (ironman competitor) advised against it and I have not done it since!

sockdoc.com

 

[Sabeking]

I spent quite a bit of time yesterday checking out his website. Some of the info is really helpful - like how my knee issues are probably really stemming from hip issues. I am also very confused about some of his suggestions - not to stretch, not to ice injuries, not to take nsaids. He does give you something to think about - I have never considered that diet has anything to do with inflammation as he suggests, so that has me really thinking about changing some things in my diet. Thank you for the info!

I'm glad you looked at it. It goes against what everyone has said for years but I have to say I have been a patient of his for years and I had some huge left knee problems. I thought I would have to stop running. He found out that I had too much sugar in my diet and that includes refined (like white bread, etc..) Once I got off that stuff my knee felt great. I can literally tell the morning when I run if I have had sugar the day before. It is really bizairre! I sleep better, run better, etc.. It may not be for everybody but it worked for me.

PS I have not stretched in a year! I'm sure I'll get flamed..sorry!!!

 

[SPAM]

Well I am getting some physical therapy the next 4 weeks for my knees. I have been having lateral knee pain whenever I run for awhile and it has been getting worse. It used to just be up towards 8-9miles and now its closer to 5-6 which make 13.1 pretty difficult. The physical therapist said it is probably due to some weakness in my hips and maybe in the back of my foot. Does anybody have any experience with any of this and have you gotten any better with pt?

 

[PRmamiDEdos]

Well I am getting some physical therapy the next 4 weeks for my knees. I have been having lateral knee pain whenever I run for awhile and it has been getting worse. It used to just be up towards 8-9miles and now its closer to 5-6 which make 13.1 pretty difficult. The physical therapist said it is probably due to some weakness in my hips and maybe in the back of my foot. Does anybody have any experience with any of this and have you gotten any better with pt?

Found this article about hip weakness and how to strengthen.

http://ontheballfitness.biz/uploads/File/hip strength for runners.pdfStrengthen your hips.

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[SPAM]

Found this article about hip weakness and how to strengthen.

http://ontheballfitness.biz/uploads/File/hip strength for runners.pdfStrengthen your hips.

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Thanks I will give it a read.

 

[ColleenG]

I have a pair of sneakers that I hated because they were a size 6 and they always felt weird while I ran in them. I'm usually a 5 but need a 5.5 in my Newton's.

I'm in the same boat as you with the long runs. I'm running a 1/2 marathon 10/7 but have a 17 mile run on deck for tomorrow since I know I won't get it done during the weekend. After this run I am going to switch to a new 16 week plan that will have me running 4 times a week and I will start next Monday. My first few long runs before the race will only 4 Friday/8 Saturday and 4 Friday/10 Saturday the week before. I think I might only do the Friday runs before my 1/2. This plan is by Jeff Gaudette and it's a Marathon Beginner to Finish. It breaks up your long runs so they body learns to use fat as a reserve energy. Better for me because I'm off on Fridays but busy Saturday through Sunday so I'll just switch the days.

I'll have to Google Jeff Gaudette. Gaudette is my last name too, not very common.

 

[ColleenG]

Thanks to everyone for the advice on bigger shoes. So do you have a sepatrate pair for short runs and long runs? Guess I'll be doing some shoe shopping this weekend.

 

[Tabetha]

I've read conflicting advice on this topic, so I'm just wondering if you all stretch before you run or not. The last two runs I've done this week (both 3 miles each), I've experienced horrible pain in my shins for the first half of the run. They just felt like they were burning, to the point that I had to make a concentrated mental effort to keep running with one foot in front of the other. Both times I stopped a couple times to stretch and it went away by the end of the run, but it was a fairly miserable experience overall. I've read repeatedly that you shouldn't stretch cold muscles, so am I just doomed to suffer at the beginning of each run?

Have you had a chance to check to make sure it's not shin splints?

My understanding is that tight calves can lead to some shin pain - I generally deal with my tight calves with lots of calf raises to try and strengthen them, and a handful of them before I run to get them warmed up. I also do a verrrry gentle calf stretch beforehand and after (not trying to get a max stretch, just activating the muscles).
Foam rolling may also help. I use The Stick, and self massage.

By far the thing that has been most helpful for me has been using compression socks or sleeves...

Good luck.

 

[butiflfeet]

Thanks to everyone for the advice on bigger shoes. So do you have a sepatrate pair for short runs and long runs? Guess I'll be doing some shoe shopping this weekend.

I have a separate pair for long runs and short runs. My long run shoes are a size 9, my short to medium run shoes are an 8 1/2 and my normal walking around shoes are usually an 8.

 

[RunRookie]

I submitted a new projected finish time with the race results from my Half Marathon back in April. And, I also submitted a change to my t-shirt size. I just got a response back from TrackShack saying that they accepted my time request and they also changed my t-shirt size for both the Goofy and the 5K races.

Just thought I would post this because there were some previous posts here asking about submitting updated times, etc. Just send your request to disneysports@trackshack.com

 

[Qltrgrl2]

Rick,
Congratulations, you are the incredible shrinking man and you keep getting faster. You are an inspiration to many on the disboards.

 

[JRM393]

Yep, my running shoes have always been a half size larger than my normal shoes but once my long runs got to over 10 miles I started having problems with blisters on front of my toes and bruised nails so I've gone up yet another half size with my running shoes.

On another note, I'm hoping to get some insight. I'm training for the Detroit half on October 21 and I've done 2 10-mile runs so far. I'm planning on building up to 14 miles for my longest run which will be 2 weeks before the race. Whenever I've told anyone my plans so far they think I'm crazy I have friends and co-workers who are also running the race as well as my chiropractor who all say they've never heard of a half marathon training plan that goes over 10 miles for a long run and most people only do that distance once or twice. They think I'm asking for an injury. I've had some minor aches and pains but nothing out of the ordinary that I can't run through and they usually go away before the end of the run or at least by my next run.

This will be my 2nd half marathon, my first was the Wine and Dine last year and my longest long run before that one was 12 miles as per Hal Higdon's Novice 2 training plan. This year I'm kind of doing a split between his Novice 2 and Intermediate plans by adding in some more speed work than I did last year. I want my long run to be longer than the race distance because for the Wine and Dine last year I was feeling tired and sore near the end of the race and my pace was very disappointing for me. A lot of that may have been due to the fact that I never did a long training run late at night. My long runs were in the morning and my mid-week runs were done after work, so around 5pm. This schedule should work out well for the Detroit half that starts early in the morning.

So I'll have a 12 mile long run this Saturday, next weekend I'm planning on 8 miles, and then in 2 weeks I'll have the final long run of 14 miles. My weekly mileage has been between 23 and 25 on average for the last month and a half with a couple of cut back weeks here and there. So far I've felt really good during and after the 10 mile runs I've run.

Anyway, sorry for such a long explanation Am I crazy to be running my long runs so far?

Yes, there are training plans that go over the race mileage. Usually the beginner type training plans will not go up to the mileage of the race because you're running on weaker more tired legs (because you're still building up) so running 12 miles for a half marathon is like running 13 miles because your leg strength and muscles aren't as strong. It really comes down to what your goal is and how strong your legs are.

So if your goal is just to complete the distance, then running the distance isn't training, it's just a mental block you are trying to get over. If the object is training to race the distance. Marathon's themselves are a different training since there can be a law of diminishing returns (basically they say you run the first 20 with your legs and the last 6.2 with your heart)