Official inaugural Tower of Terror 10 miler thread. September 29, 2012

[niclodn]

So for a newbie runner, which method do you think would be better... the Galloway or a C25k (I know... more training since it is only a 5k will be needed)

I actually did my longest run time today. It was probably one of my shorter distances in a while, but I have been doing a c2 5k and today was the first day with no walk times. I slowed my pace down at the beginning like was suggested. In the end, although my last 10 minutes I went less distance than in my first (still ) I did finish feeling like I was not absolutely ready to be done. Saturday when I had a run time of 5 minutes less, I thought I was going to die at the end.

So my run partner for the race is staying strict to the Galloway method. I wonder if she is building more endurance than I am. No doubt at this point I am spending more actual time running during my runs than she is... but I wonder if in the end she will have that endurance that maybe I will lack?

hence why I ask.. which is a better method to use? I have been making sure I am at least spending the time out that is suggested by the Galloway... but did move past a run/walk ratio much quicker than I see happening with the Galloway.(my friend is at 20/40 ratio)

I started out doing the C25K and kept getting stuck at week 5. I could never finish Week 5 Day 3. I know it was mental but I just couldn't do it. And every time I tried to do the week over again I would get worse and worse. I knew that I would never be able to get my milage up using this program.

I switched over to Galloway and I'm doing much better. I still haven't gotten past 3 miles yet but I'm trying out different intervals before I go further to see which one I want to go with.

I've used 15/45 which is pretty easy to maintain but I felt like a fool only running for 15 seconds. I know I shouldn't but I did. I also tried 30/60 and that I could do unless it was really hot and muggy which started to really kill after the 2 mile. This week I'm trying 20/40 and we'll see how that goes. I want to do 1/1 for the race I think so I really think I'm going to stick with 30/60 for training or 30/30. I can do the 30/60 and maintain a 15min mile but I would like a little buffer. I'm more concered with milage then speed right now.

I second what hollieplus2 said above. I, too, started out with C25K and never made it past week 6. And that was on the treadmill -- I can only imagine how awful that would've been outside in the "real world"! I have since switched to JG's method and it is working out much better! Some days I do 30/30's, others I do 20/40's -- I am at about a 14-min/mile pace with those. I do agree that I feel like I'm not running enough (and all the starting and stopping is tough on my knees), but I am able to maintain my pace for much longer and can go longer distances without feeling winded. If its horribly hot or raining and I'm on the treadmill, I do 3min/1min's. But that's only because its so much easier on a nice flat cushiony surface that maintains a steady pace for me -- not to mention the gym is air conditioned My goal is to be able to do 4min/1min's for the race in September. Will see if that actually happens -- this is my first race over 5K, so I'll be content just to finish

 

[jeanigor]

I've been emulating Galloway's method as well. Mostly 60/30. Earlier this week, I did 3m/1m and was exceptionally pleased.

 

[WDW*Dreamer]

Is anyone else going to try to do the Tower of Terror Run AND the Epcot 30th Celebration? I'm already signed up for the run, but I can't miss the Epcot party. I'm not sure why they planned these back-to-back like this.

 

[jeanigor]

Is anyone else going to try to do the Tower of Terror Run AND the Epcot 30th Celebration? I'm already signed up for the run, but I can't miss the Epcot party. I'm not sure why they planned these back-to-back like this.

Because they can. Just like the Magic Kingdom's 40th last year and the 2nd Wine and Dine ½.

I am sure as heck gonna try. I can sleep on the plane ride home....or be a zombie, either way.

 

[WDW*Dreamer]

Because they can. Just like the Magic Kingdom's 40th last year and the 2nd Wine and Dine ½.

I am sure as heck gonna try. I can sleep on the plane ride home....or be a zombie, either way.

You're right! I forgot about W&D and MK anniversary last year. I didn't get to MK until after noon. All of the good 40th Anniversary merchandise was gone. All I got was the free pin they were handing out at the gates.

The problem with the Epcot Celebration is, if I'm going to pay good money for the chance to attend, I want to be there from beginning to end. That means getting there at 9:00am....at the latest.

So many fun things to do, and so little time to do them all....there are worse problems to have

 

[annmarieda]

I started out doing the C25K and kept getting stuck at week 5. I could never finish Week 5 Day 3. I know it was mental but I just couldn't do it. And every time I tried to do the week over again I would get worse and worse. I knew that I would never be able to get my milage up using this program.

I switched over to Galloway and I'm doing much better. I still haven't gotten past 3 miles yet but I'm trying out different intervals before I go further to see which one I want to go with.

I've used 15/45 which is pretty easy to maintain but I felt like a fool only running for 15 seconds. I know I shouldn't but I did. I also tried 30/60 and that I could do unless it was really hot and muggy which started to really kill after the 2 mile. This week I'm trying 20/40 and we'll see how that goes. I want to do 1/1 for the race I think so I really think I'm going to stick with 30/60 for training or 30/30. I can do the 30/60 and maintain a 15min mile but I would like a little buffer. I'm more concered with milage then speed right now.

I am concerned with my mileage too... I just run for as long as the program tells me to. however, today I did about .4 a mile more than I did a couple days ago in the same time...so Maybe that is a sign that this method is working for me. Saturday will be week 7 day 3...so not much longer to go with the C2 5k...

On the one FB page about the ToT 10-miler, someone was saying they found out that the field will be 10,000 - something about it was supposed to be 8,000 but increased it to 10,000 with the wait-list people.

Can anyone confirm that

Personally, I'd be happy as a clam with that size field after the gazillion of Princesses I ran with in Feb Don't get me wrong, I LOVED IT, but it does get a little crowded out there!

That is a LOT of people

I'm only running the 5K in the AM before the 10-Miler, but I'll be at your finish, cheering you on and having fun at the Villian's Bash!

I'd try the 10-miler if I could but I didn't sign up in time - but hope to be there next year.

Anyone running the Torchlight 5K or Firecracker 5000?

I think it is interesting how many of us there are that all live so close together. WTG WWA!!!

I second what hollieplus2 said above. I, too, started out with C25K and never made it past week 6. And that was on the treadmill -- I can only imagine how awful that would've been outside in the "real world"! I have since switched to JG's method and it is working out much better! Some days I do 30/30's, others I do 20/40's -- I am at about a 14-min/mile pace with those. I do agree that I feel like I'm not running enough (and all the starting and stopping is tough on my knees), but I am able to maintain my pace for much longer and can go longer distances without feeling winded. If its horribly hot or raining and I'm on the treadmill, I do 3min/1min's. But that's only because its so much easier on a nice flat cushiony surface that maintains a steady pace for me -- not to mention the gym is air conditioned My goal is to be able to do 4min/1min's for the race in September. Will see if that actually happens -- this is my first race over 5K, so I'll be content just to finish

I too will be happy just to finish. My partner pointed out that even if we get swept... we will have a good time. She is right! However... I still want to finish.

I've been emulating Galloway's method as well. Mostly 60/30. Earlier this week, I did 3m/1m and was exceptionally pleased.

Just a couple weeks ago I was able to do 3 minutes and was so excited... you should be pleased. It is funny how in just a few weeks... I am now running 20 minutes at a time. How did that happen?

 

[freepixie]

How many were in the Princess race?

I could be wrong, but I think about 25,000 people? For sure 20,000 but I think it was actually higher than that.

That is a LOT of people

10,000 really isn't that bad of a number IMHO. Yes its a LOT more than my local races - one I will run this summer only had 35 participants last summer

Remember we will be split into corrrals so its not like 10,000 people all starting out at the exact same time.

 

[annmarieda]

I could be wrong, but I think about 25,000 people? For sure 20,000 but I think it was actually higher than that.



10,000 really isn't that bad of a number IMHO. Yes its a LOT more than my local races - one I will run this summer only had 35 participants last summer

Remember we will be split into corrrals so its not like 10,000 people all starting out at the exact same time.

How many corrals?

 

[freepixie]

Is anyone else going to try to do the Tower of Terror Run AND the Epcot 30th Celebration? I'm already signed up for the run, but I can't miss the Epcot party. I'm not sure why they planned these back-to-back like this.

You're right! I forgot about W&D and MK anniversary last year. I didn't get to MK until after noon. All of the good 40th Anniversary merchandise was gone. All I got was the free pin they were handing out at the gates.

The problem with the Epcot Celebration is, if I'm going to pay good money for the chance to attend, I want to be there from beginning to end. That means getting there at 9:00am....at the latest.

So many fun things to do, and so little time to do them all....there are worse problems to have

OK I had NO IDEA there was going to be some celebration happening in Epcot on Sept 30, now I'm starting to freak out a little bit. I have my celebration dinner at the Garden Grill - it is literally my favorite place to eat at WDW. But now I'm thinking the park will be CRAZY with people coming in for the celebration, plus its a MNSSHP over at MK so I'm thinking Epcot is going to be freakin insane Contimplating changing ressies, if I am able to, but I'm sorry I don't know where else I want to eat!!

How many corrals?

For the Princess there were 8 corrals, I don't know how many we will have for TOT I can't imagine more than 5 corrals if the number really is 10,000.

 

[cewait]

I could be wrong, but I think about 25,000 people? For sure 20,000 but I think it was actually higher than that.



10,000 really isn't that bad of a number IMHO. Yes its a LOT more than my local races - one I will run this summer only had 35 participants last summer

Remember we will be split into corrrals so its not like 10,000 people all starting out at the exact same time.

How many corrals?

OK I had NO IDEA there was going to be some celebration happening in Epcot on Sept 30, now I'm starting to freak out a little bit. I have my celebration dinner at the Garden Grill - it is literally my favorite place to eat at WDW. But now I'm thinking the park will be CRAZY with people coming in for the celebration, plus its a MNSSHP over at MK so I'm thinking Epcot is going to be freakin insane Contimplating changing ressies, if I am able to, but I'm sorry I don't know where else I want to eat!!



For the Princess there were 8 corrals, I don't know how many we will have for TOT I can't imagine more than 5 corrals if the number really is 10,000.

In the 2012 Princess there were just under 18,000 finishers

For the 2011 Wine and Dine - just under 8800 finishers with 5 starting corrals

The number of corrals is a function of the number of runners but also where the course starts. The roadway for the Wine and Dine start is narrower than the Princess - thus more corrals in an effort to keep the crowding lower

 

[AnotherPrincess]

How many minutes apart do they start each corral?

 

[cewait]

How many minutes apart do they start each corral?

usually between 4 and 6 minutes....

W&D - 5 Min
Princess and Half (January) - 6 minutes
Marathon - 4 minutes (though I would expect this to stretch to 6 minutes in January 2013 with the new course)

 

[UGAFan0829]

Does anyone have any experience with the John Bingham/Marathoning for Mortals training plans? It also uses the run/walk method. For some reason, Galloway's plans just confuse me so bad, so I've always stayed away from him.

 

[cewait]

Does anyone have any experience with the John Bingham/Marathoning for Mortals training plans? It also uses the run/walk method. For some reason, Galloway's plans just confuse me so bad, so I've always stayed away from him.

I am familiar with the plan and would recommend it - though I really recommend purchasing the background information as well. There are a few spots when googles that you can find Jenny's plan laid out, but the details are always scrubbed.

I would also not shy aware from other plan... even though they do not tout a run/walk method. Just because one run/walks it does not preclude the use of most plans. I run/walk the Hanson plan and do well with it. The Hanson plan is one that I would call advanced when compared with others.

Now I have a question on Galloway... what is so confusing? With the exception of the magic mile it is one of the simplest plans out there. If the magic mile is the point of confusion - leave it out. Its only a set of mile repeats touted to 'predict' marathon performance. I think a better predictor is the longer runs myself. I only ask as information. From the coach's perspective it's not my favorite plan due to reasons documented in several places.

 

[UGAFan0829]

I am familiar with the plan and would recommend it - though I really recommend purchasing the background information as well. There are a few spots when googles that you can find Jenny's plan laid out, but the details are always scrubbed.

I would also not shy aware from other plan... even though they do not tout a run/walk method. Just because one run/walks it does not preclude the use of most plans. I run/walk the Hanson plan and do well with it. The Hanson plan is one that I would call advanced when compared with others.

Now I have a question on Galloway... what is so confusing? With the exception of the magic mile it is one of the simplest plans out there. If the magic mile is the point of confusion - leave it out. Its only a set of mile repeats touted to 'predict' marathon performance. I think a better predictor is the longer runs myself. I only ask as information. From the coach's perspective it's not my favorite plan due to reasons documented in several places.

Thanks so much for the info, Coach! I'm really glad to know that you recommend Bingham's plan. I actually have his book, so is there anything in particular that I should pay attention to?

As far as the Galloway method being confusing, yes, it is mostly the magic mile that totally throws me. I'm simple minded I suppose. I also have a hard time figuring out what run/walk ratios I should use for his plan. With Bingham, I like that there is no guessing--you just run what's in the plan.

Thanks again!

 

[cewait]

Thanks so much for the info, Coach! I'm really glad to know that you recommend Bingham's plan. I actually have his book, so is there anything in particular that I should pay attention to?

As far as the Galloway method being confusing, yes, it is mostly the magic mile that totally throws me. I'm simple minded I suppose. I also have a hard time figuring out what run/walk ratios I should use for his plan. With Bingham, I like that there is no guessing--you just run what's in the plan.

Thanks again!

Read and understand the midweek work. These runs have a goal in mind (depending on the level of plan). The last version of their plan I read used HR along with perceived effort. Midweek runs should be at an effort that feels hard and one where you may be able to say 1-3 words per breath. On the other hand, long runs are at a point where conversation is nearly normal.

 

[Lynn57]

usually between 4 and 6 minutes....

W&D - 5 Min
Princess and Half (January) - 6 minutes
Marathon - 4 minutes (though I would expect this to stretch to 6 minutes in January 2013 with the new course)

So does the sweep time start with the final corral?

 

[UGAFan0829]

So does the sweep time start with the final corral?

It actually starts as soon as the very last person in the last corral crosses the start line.

 

[minniebeth]

So for those of you familiar with how Disney runs their races, this is my question on the topic of the 16mm pace requirement, sweeping, etc.: See if you can follow me:

On the Jeff Galloway training program for the ToT 10 miler, it says the race course is open for 3:30.

If there is a required 16mm pace, and you maintain that, you should finish the race in 2:40. That leaves :50.
Let's say 5 corrals at 6 minute intervals (just hypothetical) to start, that's an additional :30 for everyone to get over the start line.
That still leaves another :20....is that cushion? or do they really start sweeping people who aren't truly maintaining a 16mm pace even with that "extra" time?

Also, I read somewhere on here for the 1/2s, they don't sweep after a certain milage...fact or fiction?

You know here on the boards, people are obsessive Disney planners, that's me Thanks!!

 

[cewait]

So for those of you familiar with how Disney runs their races, this is my question on the topic of the 16mm pace requirement, sweeping, etc.: See if you can follow me:

On the Jeff Galloway training program for the ToT 10 miler, it says the race course is open for 3:30.

If there is a required 16mm pace, and you maintain that, you should finish the race in 2:40. That leaves :50.
Let's say 5 corrals at 6 minute intervals (just hypothetical) to start, that's an additional :30 for everyone to get over the start line.
That still leaves another :20....is that cushion? or do they really start sweeping people who aren't truly maintaining a 16mm pace even with that "extra" time?

Also, I read somewhere on here for the 1/2s, they don't sweep after a certain milage...fact or fiction?

You know here on the boards, people are obsessive Disney planners, that's me Thanks!!

No.......

You are looking at a cut and paste error. You will have 160 minutes or 2:40 for an official finish at a 16 minute pace. 3:30 is for the half.

With regard to sweeping and where they sweep... you are ALWAYS subject to being swept if you fall behind the moving 16 minute pace. As stated above, that clock starts at the instant the last runner in the last corral crosses the start line. Your best bet is to train for a 15 minute pace just in case you have issue during the race. That gives you a small buffer. Yes, that even holds true in the traditionally 'safe' areas that we speak of in the other Disney races.

So saying all this, and looking at the map, it looks like from about mile 8.2 until the finish one may have a little buffer from the sweeper. This is the point where the race leaves public streets and enters the DHS parking lot. Once off public streets, the race will usually allow a runner the freedom to finish, as long as they continue to make reasonable progress. So roughly speaking, if you were the last runner and make mile 8.2 in 2:31 from the start, you should be able to continue.

Hope this helps