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Martha.

(FWIW, I think that the guys have been assuming that they are lovers for ages now, they just have not been able to prove it.)

I think that Castle's reasons for discretion have more to do with wanting that little thrill of the secret rather than any other reason. He loves her and his mother already knows that; so when he starts not coming home over night on a regular basis she will know right away. (Mind you, NOT having his mother embarass Kate about it is probably one of his reasons as well; Martha doesn't have much of a filter, and he doesn't want to scare Kate off before she fully adapts to the new situation.)

THE big question of the season, I think, is when will she break down and actually say the L Word? I don't think it is any accident that she has not done so on camera. (Apparently she DID tell Rick about the resignation off-camera; otherwise I don't know how he would have known about it by that morning, since he had not checked his messages all night.) The other big question of the season is what exactly Kate is doing that is putting those really goofy grins on his face every time they allude to their intimate moments -- there have been comic hints for a LONG time now that she is rather adventurous in that regard, and I'm waiting for some sort of running gag about Castle not being able to keep up with her.

Also, speaking of not checking his messages, the situation with hiding Kate meant that his not answering Alexis' distress call was glossed over. I don't doubt that that will come back to haunt him sometime soon, because Alexis is definitely used to being at the top of his priority list.

PS: IMO, the most pivotal moment in this series wasn't in either of the two big ones that most people mention: Knockout or Always. I think it was the point in Sucker Punch when she chose to shoot to kill Coonan. She was shooting him at essentially point-blank range; she could have easily chosen to shoot to disable rather than to kill, but she chose to kill him, even though she regretted the ramifications moments later and desperately attempted CPR. At the moment that she pulled the trigger, whether she realized it or not at the time, she chose Castle over her need for revenge.

I agree with you about Sucker Punch--I've always felt that that was when Rick realized he was falling in love with Kate. Yeah, he went off with Gina at the end of that season, but I think he was scared by his feelings and he thought Kate was falling for Demming. And I think Kate started to realize her feelings too--like you said, shooting Dick Coonan to protect Castle was a big deal.
 

Okay, not related to the show, but to "Castle's" latest book, "Frozen Heat." I didn't want to start a separate thread, but I just had to post a virtual scream.

I just finished the book and it ended on a whopper of a cliffhanger. I won't post a spoiler, but my advice to anyone reading it is to stop about ten pages from the end. That gets the mystery sort of wrapped up and while there are still a lot of unanswered questions, there's a sense of conclusion.

Go past that and you get into the cliffhanger that, while very, very good, will make you tear your hear out that it ends there! Argh! I kept flipping pages, hoping there was some addendum or something!!! Nope. I have to wait a year for more.

It was a good book, though (and you should finish it, I'm sort of kidding above, it was so frustrating). It started slow, but I blew through the last half in one night.
 
Okay, not related to the show, but to "Castle's" latest book, "Frozen Heat." I didn't want to start a separate thread, but I just had to post a virtual scream.

I just finished the book and it ended on a whopper of a cliffhanger. I won't post a spoiler, but my advice to anyone reading it is to stop about ten pages from the end. That gets the mystery sort of wrapped up and while there are still a lot of unanswered questions, there's a sense of conclusion.

Go past that and you get into the cliffhanger that, while very, very good, will make you tear your hear out that it ends there! Argh! I kept flipping pages, hoping there was some addendum or something!!! Nope. I have to wait a year for more.

It was a good book, though (and you should finish it, I'm sort of kidding above, it was so frustrating). It started slow, but I blew through the last half in one night.

You beat me to it--I was just going to post about the book--finished it this morning (and it's not off topic here, we've discussed the books before). Wow, it hit me hard, I ended up in tears on the train. The best book so far. It would be a great book without the tie-in to the show, but connected to the show makes it even better. Wow.

And I'll post my review of episode 2 later today.
 
Now time for my thoughts on episode 2.

Of course, it wasn't as good as episode 1 (I have a feeling it will be a long time before any other episode is as good as that was), this was still a fun episode, mostly because of the Kate/Rick interaction. The case was so-so (I really didn't care who killed her) but the relationship issues & their reactions to them were great.

I loved (once again in no particular order):

the opening scene between Rick & Kate--him trying to get her to change her shirts & then her pants, the kiss, the cup of coffee--all sweet & funny.

the scenes with Lanie--she's also so funny, and her stuff about Kate's "glow" just made me laugh. She did point at the both of them in the morgue, and I don't think she believes that there is any other guy but Rick.

the scene at the TV station when Castle is fooling around near the green screen--Kate can't help but grin at him--pure Caskett.

their conversation about how Rick wanted to sleep with her for 4 years & him saying that she wanted to sleep with him just as much - "you didn't dress that way for Esposito"!

Espo to Ryan--"are you wearing make-up?" :rotfl2:

Kate running out to rescue Rick after he 'butt" dialed her

Kate's use of the b word

And that last scene when Rick goes to see Kate. They had an adult conversation about their relationship--I just loved the whole speech:

"Okay, maybe people find out and maybe we won't get to work together, and maybe we'll implode, or maybe, we'll continue to be amazing. The point is, we don't have the answers. We just have to live with the questions and find our way."

loved her grin after that & how she couldn't go thru with it--but I bet he changed her mind!

A few other thoughts:

Rick "forgetting" to bring her coffee--overthinking there Ricky!

Once again, a liar tells them that co-workers dating is a bad idea. (Sophia is the other that I can remember)

Espo & Ryan made some first steps toward mending their relationship. I wonder if it is healed, or if they still need some work.


All in all, a good episode with nice relationship moments. I'd give it an A-
 
Now time for my thoughts on episode 2.

Of course, it wasn't as good as episode 1 (I have a feeling it will be a long time before any other episode is as good as that was), this was still a fun episode, mostly because of the Kate/Rick interaction. The case was so-so (I really didn't care who killed her) but the relationship issues & their reactions to them were great.

I loved (once again in no particular order):

the opening scene between Rick & Kate--him trying to get her to change her shirts & then her pants, the kiss, the cup of coffee--all sweet & funny.

the scenes with Lanie--she's also so funny, and her stuff about Kate's "glow" just made me laugh. She did point at the both of them in the morgue, and I don't think she believes that there is any other guy but Rick.

the scene at the TV station when Castle is fooling around near the green screen--Kate can't help but grin at him--pure Caskett.

their conversation about how Rick wanted to sleep with her for 4 years & him saying that she wanted to sleep with him just as much - "you didn't dress that way for Esposito"!

Espo to Ryan--"are you wearing make-up?" :rotfl2:

Kate running out to rescue Rick after he 'butt" dialed her

Kate's use of the b word

And that last scene when Rick goes to see Kate. They had an adult conversation about their relationship--I just loved the whole speech:

"Okay, maybe people find out and maybe we won't get to work together, and maybe we'll implode, or maybe, we'll continue to be amazing. The point is, we don't have the answers. We just have to live with the questions and find our way."

loved her grin after that & how she couldn't go thru with it--but I bet he changed her mind!

A few other thoughts:

Rick "forgetting" to bring her coffee--overthinking there Ricky!

Once again, a liar tells them that co-workers dating is a bad idea. (Sophia is the other that I can remember)

Espo & Ryan made some first steps toward mending their relationship. I wonder if it is healed, or if they still need some work.


All in all, a good episode with nice relationship moments. I'd give it an A-

Such great one-liners throughout! My favorite at the end when Kate refused to kiss Rick: "I'm sorry. I can't. It's too soon. I still keep seeing her ****s in your face."

It does look as though Kate's still got some trust issues -- not quite sure that he wasn't going to sleep with the bikini-clad "terminator." Rick's expression was very subtle -- very well done.
 
The b-word thing is significant, because Kate has issues about those, LOL. It has been brought up before that she and Lainie have very different figures in that respect, and Kate is a bit insecure about being rather flat-chested. It wasn't just that someone else was trying to jump him, but that the someone was someone with a rack, so to speak.
I suspect that Castle's celebrity status is going to fuel this whole subplot quite a bit; there is that whole issue of defending one's territory from fangirls (and the fact that she was a fangirl makes it even worse.)

Also, "Good, 'cause I have a gun, and you don't have a choice." <tee-hee>

PS: What IS it with these people that they never set personal ringtones on their cell phones? (Although I *think* that Ryan, of all people, actually does; I think he has a ringtone set for Jenny.)
 
I think you both have interesting points about Kate. Think about it, in the 4years that she's known Rick, he casually slept with his 1st ex-wife, a movie star that wanted him to get her a part, he signed women's chests, and then last year he brought a blonde to a crime scene. And I'm sure her fan girl past is giving her some problems--ie, "he picked me?!?" She's also had relationship issues herself--Will left her to get a better job, assuming she'd drop everything & go with him, and Josh was a way to get back at Castle when he broke her heart. Of course, she doesn't know that Meredith cheated on him, and that his heart was broken after hearing her tell the suspect that she remembered everything. They need to do a lot of talking!
 
Well, she was hung over.......

True enough, but I have a feeling this is again one of those situations where it is looming larger in his and Beckett's eyes as "big news" than in everyone else's (except perhaps Gates', of course).

They had that serious talk about Beckett last season after she overheard him tell Martha that he was not going to lose [Beckett] again. At that point, my guess is that she figured that Dad was a big boy, and that the details were not something she wanted to hear about. Hung over, I'm sure it wasn't something that she cared at all about at that moment.

PS:
It does look as though Kate's still got some trust issues --
Oh, yeah. That preview re: the phone and the desk drawer is going to tackle that in an oblique way. She is wound pretty tight just in general, and the whole issue of how much privacy one retains in an intimate relationship is going to be a big one, I think. Castle is the sort of guy who shares everything with a lover, but she just ... isn't. There is an entire gold mine of comic material in that subtopic alone. (I know this one -- I've lived it. My DH grew up in a home that was rigid re: personal privacy, while I pretty much had no concept of it in the context of a shared living space. After 20 years there are still things that he thinks I'm WAY too cavalier about, LOL.)
 












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