offering your seat up on the bus???

[goofy4tink]

Okay....so, maybe we can agree that no one gets an automatic seat based on their gender. However...someone who obviously could use a seat should be offered one, and those who are seated and don't offer shouldn't be chastized because they didn't offer said seat since they could very well have some kind of disability that would make it difficult to stand on a swaying bus.

We all realize that there are going to be rude people everywhere, and WDW is certainly no different. I have seen hoardes of teens on the monorail, remaining seated when an elderly couple gets on ( I got up!), I have seen those with strollers use a seat for said stroller, or not fold up the stroller at all and block the aisle. We have all seen rude people. I think that, for the most part, those here on the DIS boards are pretty civil, and have good manners, as do those in their families. This is an argument that is not going to be decided here. So....do what you feel comfortable doing, don't just assume that a 45 y/o gentleman is remaining seated because he is rude, or that a 45 y/o woman automatically deserves a seat.

 

[Lewisc]

Okay....so, maybe we can agree that no one gets an automatic seat based on their gender.

Actually we can't agree that is the OP exact point. I think everyone agrees witrh the rest of your post.

 

[ravenscroft1999]

y'know I also try to offer up a seat to the less abled and people with children when possible. But I have 2 herniated discs in My lower back and sometimes late in the evening, My back is just screaming painful. It isn't always , but sometimes I just can't give up My seat, (unless , of course you are prepared to let Me lay flat on My back in the aisle )

 

[C.Ann]

I'd rather just wait for the next bus.. After walking all day in the parks my back gets to the point where it's so painful it's either sit down or pass out..

 

[blitzkrieg048]

Too funny - I knew I should have stayed away!

DH was standing, holding the stroller, shopping bags & diaper bag as well. I thought I had mentioned that, but I guess I forgot. Oops! Of course my DH would have also held DS if he could have. He is very much the gentleman! I also explained that in the whole moment of waiting for the bus and it arriving, we just got on without even thinking that there were not going to be any empty seats. Once on a filled bus, it is nearly impossible for one to back their way out past all the others standing in the aisle behind & in front of you.

Back to the original thread. No, I do not expect anyone to give up their seat for me alone since I am female. Moms with babies - another issue altogether...

So what you're saying is any mother with a baby or an elderly couple or someone with a disability in your mind should be expected to get a seat, by someone else getting up b/c of their predescribed situation. Now I, myself get up for people in thoses situations, but you can't be annoyed by people who don't just b/c they don't think they way we do. I don't get it. These people that we talk about with disabilities or infants or whatever, do they go to Disney, with the mentality of "We deserve a seat no matter what b/c of our situation". You gotta be kidding me. Ohter people plan and get to the bus early or heck just wanna seat after a long day. Maybe these people with diasabilities or little infants should get to the buses ealry or wait for another bus. We have 3 little kids of our own, there's been many of times when my wife and I had to stand while our kids have fell asleep in our arms while standing on the bus. But guess what we learned to plan better. It is what it is. Fortunatley there are people like us who are considerate and give up our seats, and yes it is common courtesy, but guess what some people don't think that way and I don't get on them for that.

 

[TDC Nala]

I would never expect anyone to offer me a seat because I am female.

Elderly and disabled persons and those carrying small children, yes, I believe they should be offered seats.

 

[fac]

Actually we can't agree that is the OP exact point. I think everyone agrees witrh the rest of your post.

Not necessary. I still do not understand why someone who needs a seat cannot wait for an empty bus. If we were to spend 8 hours in the park and try to get on the first bus, can we spend 7 hours in the park but wait for the second bus. Can't we be considerate to see that other people are tired as well?

 

[GEM]

My son is turning 3 in May and he has been to Disney World 4 times - all long 8 to 14 day trips where we have relied exclusively on Disney transportation. We are all three night owls and we usually close down the parks, which means we are leaving the parks at the same time as everyone else and facing long waits for busses with a large backpack, sleepy little one, huge stroller, etc.

We have never gotten on a bus that was standing room only. If it looks like we won't have a place to sit, we simply step aside and let others board while we wait for the next bus. My family's safety and comfort is my top priority, but I dont' expect it to be anybody else's. I would never board a packed bus at the end of a long day with the expectation that someone would give me a seat because I'm holding a sleepy little one. It is my job to make sure we are safe - not anyone else's. I know full well that everyone on that bus is exhausted and they all deserve the seat they waited in line for. So, we simply wait for the next bus, which is never far behind. And, when that next bus comes and we are among the first on, we stay in our seats - no matter who squeezes on at the last minute.

That seems pretty logical to me.

 

[blitzkrieg048]

My son is turning 3 in May and he has been to Disney World 4 times - all long 8 to 14 day trips where we have relied exclusively on Disney transportation. We are all three night owls and we usually close down the parks, which means we are leaving the parks at the same time as everyone else and facing long waits for busses with a large backpack, sleepy little one, huge stroller, etc.

We have never gotten on a bus that was standing room only. If it looks like we won't have a place to sit, we simply step aside and let others board while we wait for the next bus. My family's safety and comfort is my top priority, but I dont' expect it to be anybody else's. I would never board a packed bus at the end of a long day with the expectation that someone would give me a seat because I'm holding a sleepy little one. It is my job to make sure we are safe - not anyone else's. I know full well that everyone on that bus is exhausted and they all deserve the seat they waited in line for. So, we simply wait for the next bus, which is never far behind. And, when that next bus comes and we are among the first on, we stay in our seats - no matter who squeezes on at the last minute.

That seems pretty logical to me.

Finally, a voice of reason. Good job!!!!!! I couldn't agree with u more.

 

[goofy4tink]

My son is turning 3 in May and he has been to Disney World 4 times - all long 8 to 14 day trips where we have relied exclusively on Disney transportation. We are all three night owls and we usually close down the parks, which means we are leaving the parks at the same time as everyone else and facing long waits for busses with a large backpack, sleepy little one, huge stroller, etc.

We have never gotten on a bus that was standing room only. If it looks like we won't have a place to sit, we simply step aside and let others board while we wait for the next bus. My family's safety and comfort is my top priority, but I dont' expect it to be anybody else's. I would never board a packed bus at the end of a long day with the expectation that someone would give me a seat because I'm holding a sleepy little one. It is my job to make sure we are safe - not anyone else's. I know full well that everyone on that bus is exhausted and they all deserve the seat they waited in line for. So, we simply wait for the next bus, which is never far behind. And, when that next bus comes and we are among the first on, we stay in our seats - no matter who squeezes on at the last minute.

That seems pretty logical to me.

Exactly!!!

 

[disnutt]

I can't believe I read the whole thing!

The only problem with waiting for the next less crowded bus is that someone who hasn't waited as long as you will get on and go, "Look that person isn't giving up their seat".

This sounds like that old fable where the father and son were walking their donkey to the market. Someone along the way said, "you've got a perfectly good donkey let your son ride." So the boy hops up. Then the next person said, "shame on you little boy for riding let your father ride. They switch places and then someone else says, "That donkey is strong both of you should ride" They both get on and then the next guy says "How cruel of you to load your donkey so much you'll kill him" You can't please everyone.

However, I'm still with the group that wants to please others rather than themselves. My DH and I offer up our seats to those who look like they need them more. I do work at not being judgemental of those who don't offer to get off their, uh, donkey.

 

[Kristi1357]

blitzkrieg048, goofy4tink & GEM - This voice of un-reason who disregards her son's safety is taking her ball & going home.

Next time I accidently get on a bus at the beginning of standing room only (not knowing so as I board as previously stated), I will push and shove my way back off said bus, stepping on everyone's toes & bonking them in the head with a 37 lb. kid as I go! Thanks for the lesson on proper bus etiquiette.

Oh wait, I forgot, I am NEVER taking a Disney bus again...

 

[mickeyfan2]

blitzkrieg048, goofy4tink & GEM - This voice of un-reason who disregards her son's safety is taking her ball & going home.

Next time I accidently get on a bus at the beginning of standing room only (not knowing so as I board as previously stated), I will push and shove my way back off said bus, stepping on everyone's toes & bonking them in the head with a 37 lb. kid as I go! Thanks for the lesson on proper bus etiquiette.

Oh wait, I forgot, I am NEVER taking a Disney bus again...

Also have your son kid people who are in your way and the heads of those sitting.

 

[blitzkrieg048]

blitzkrieg048, goofy4tink & GEM - This voice of un-reason who disregards her son's safety is taking her ball & going home.

Next time I accidently get on a bus at the beginning of standing room only (not knowing so as I board as previously stated), I will push and shove my way back off said bus, stepping on everyone's toes & bonking them in the head with a 37 lb. kid as I go! Thanks for the lesson on proper bus etiquiette.

Oh wait, I forgot, I am NEVER taking a Disney bus again...

Great! More seats for everyone else.

 

[maddhatir]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pea-n-Me
Just a warning, last time this topic came up the discussion got very heated. Many folks have hidden disabilities and may need the seat although they appear able-bodied.

Better don your flame suit now.

oooo i guess this is not good. i will appologize now for anyone that i may have offended by this post.

ok- forget the topic- next time a gentleman does not offer up his seat i will take into consideration that he may not be able to offer it up- actually never thought of that- but i appreciate you enlightening me.

hi everybody-- im baaaaa-aack- yes the original thread starter of this controversial subject.

i wish i originally started the SUBJECT as.........IS CHIVALRY DEAD? and would you offer your seat blah blah. because this is what i really wanted to know- (Obviously from reading most of your comments i would say yes...but)

i dont want to hear welllllllllllll...if the woman was disabled or was holding a child.......that is not chivalrous...that is being kind- common sense.

another thing- wait for the next bus....sure...easy to do...but again that is not the answer to my question.

so i now want to add to my original subject post--- IS CHIVALRY DEAD?????.....

and as Pea-n-Me warned me originally.....i NOW have the flame suit on and ready to go.....

 

[maddhatir]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pea-n-Me
Just a warning, last time this topic came up the discussion got very heated. Many folks have hidden disabilities and may need the seat although they appear able-bodied.

Better don your flame suit now.



hi everybody-- im baaaaa-aack- yes the original thread starter of this controversial subject.

i wish i originally started the SUBJECT as.........IS CHIVALRY DEAD? and would you offer your seat blah blah. because this is what i really wanted to know- (Obviously from reading most of your comments i would say yes...but)

i dont want to hear welllllllllllll...if the woman was disabled or was holding a child.......that is not chivalrous...that is being kind- common sense.

another thing- wait for the next bus....sure...easy to do...but again that is not the answer to my question.

so i now want to add to my original subject post--- IS CHIVALRY DEAD?????.....

and as Pea-n-Me warned me originally.....i NOW have the flame suit on and ready to go.....

HA! I jst realized--- i sound like carrie bradshaw (sex and the city).......is chivalry really dead?...........

 

[goofy4tink]

blitzkrieg048, goofy4tink & GEM - This voice of un-reason who disregards her son's safety is taking her ball & going home.

Next time I accidently get on a bus at the beginning of standing room only (not knowing so as I board as previously stated), I will push and shove my way back off said bus, stepping on everyone's toes & bonking them in the head with a 37 lb. kid as I go! Thanks for the lesson on proper bus etiquiette.

Oh wait, I forgot, I am NEVER taking a Disney bus again...

I'm truly sorry you feel this way. Usually, it is pretty evident when a bus is close to SRO...the bus driver should be able to tell you. I'm not saying that anyone should put themselves, or anyone in their family, in harms way. But, if I have been waiting for a bus for 20 minutes, because the last one just left and it was full, so I waited in order to get a seat on the next bus...what would you have me do?? Wait another 20 minutes so that you and your child and your dh with the stroller could hop on and sit? I'm sorry, but you have to make a choice here. I made my choice...wait for the next bus. I would be really miffed if, after waiting for close to 30 minutes, I got on the bus only to have someone give me attitude about not giving up my seat. And no...I am not saying you are the one giving attitude.....but I have been on the receiving end of said attitude, and it wasn't pleasant.

Is chivalry dead? No, I don't think so. I really think that common courtesy goes a long way. I have yet to have some strange man put his coat down on top of a puddle for me as I cross the street . I can open my own doors, get out of a car without a helping hand. If I need help, then sure...offer it. I hold doors for men/boys, I wait my turn in lines, I offer seats to those older than myself or in obvious need....could be an elderly man, disabled young woman, or a poor stressed mom with her kids hanging off her!!! doesn't matter...if there is a need, I will offer. BTW...just for those interested..I am a 56 y/o mom...so there are those who would probably think I'm one who should be getting the offers to sit down!!!

 

[blitzkrieg048]

it's probably not as prevelent as it once was. look around we're both from the east coast, we're charachterized as a rude part of the country. you seem to be very thoughtful. life and people have changed along with values and family. it is a shame but you can control how you act as well as most of your children's upbringing. you know what's right and try not to concern yourself w/ how others act no matter how unchivalrious you think it is.

 

[blitzkrieg048]

I'm truly sorry you feel this way. Usually, it is pretty evident when a bus is close to SRO...the bus driver should be able to tell you. I'm not saying that anyone should put themselves, or anyone in their family, in harms way. But, if I have been waiting for a bus for 20 minutes, because the last one just left and it was full, so I waited in order to get a seat on the next bus...what would you have me do?? Wait another 20 minutes so that you and your child and your dh with the stroller could hop on and sit? I'm sorry, but you have to make a choice here. I made my choice...wait for the next bus. I would be really miffed if, after waiting for close to 30 minutes, I got on the bus only to have someone give me attitude about not giving up my seat. And no...I am not saying you are the one giving attitude.....but I have been on the receiving end of said attitude, and it wasn't pleasant.

Is chivalry dead? No, I don't think so. I really think that common courtesy goes a long way. I have yet to have some strange man put his coat down on top of a puddle for me as I cross the street . I can open my own doors, get out of a car without a helping hand. If I need help, then sure...offer it. I hold doors for men/boys, I wait my turn in lines, I offer seats to those older than myself or in obvious need....could be an elderly man, disabled young woman, or a poor stressed mom with her kids hanging off her!!! doesn't matter...if there is a need, I will offer. BTW...just for those interested..I am a 56 y/o mom...so there are those who would probably think I'm one who should be getting the offers to sit down!!!

great post, sums up my thoughts.

 

[GEM]

Next time I accidently get on a bus at the beginning of standing room only (not knowing so as I board as previously stated), I will push and shove my way back off said bus, stepping on everyone's toes & bonking them in the head with a 37 lb. kid as I go! Thanks for the lesson on proper bus etiquiette.

It really isn't hard to look at a bus as people are boarding and figure out that you probably won't get a seat and should wait for the next one. I've never actually had to board the bus to figure that out.