oct cruise cancelled

[3DisneyNUTS]

I agree 100%. With the current state of the economy you think DCL would be thrilled that people are spending hard earned money with them. And let's face it, Disney is more expensive than most other lines.

Someone posted earlier that they would never stay in a Value Resort because it was beneath them. They made reference that they would not stay in one even if it was free and made some reference to their $7,000 cruise and so on. I think attitudes like that are the ones who appreciate nothing. Most of us have to work our butts off and save for a vacation.

I work my tail off year long, I save, and I penny pinch so that my son and I can take a vacation once a year. True we have to stay at off site hotels and yes we are in a Cat 11 room but my son has never been and will never be taught to be a snob. I work overtime and save my tax refunds so that we can afford a vacation. It is not handed to me on a silver platter...
Originally posted by ksouma

Yeah well I stayed at the POP Century and LOVED it since it was themed perfectly for my 3 year old! Yeah the room is small but Disney rooms by comparison to other hotels are a little bigger. Plus we are never in our rooms anyway. AND TRUST ME only a fool would give up a free room at a Disney Resort. Plus who would know what is "beneath you" you are there with complete strangers. I know I could care less what the person next to me makes or does for a living! All I know is that I was able to go alot more often if I budget right. WHen Disney had that sale last Feb (we paid $55 a night to stay on Disney property (pop century)!!!!) I called DH and said I wanted to go. Being it was so cheap we went down and had a blast. I would much rather do that then worry about the accomodations being beneath me. I know with Disney it is always top notch.
We like the POP so much we asked if we could stay with points since we just purchased the DVC. I loved it!

Oh well you know what they say about people who have to put on aires right LOL?

 

[Disneyallthetime]

What these people thought they paid for was a cruise on Oct. 28. They gave money months ahead as REQUIRED by Disney to supposedly reserve a spot at that time. However, what they really paid for in advance was a space that could be removed at the whim of Disney. I can assure you that ,though this is allowed by the contract, there was no effort made to convey this possibility to the purchaser.

Everyone's circumstances are different. It is nice to be in a position to take such an abrupt change of plans lightly, but not everyone is in that enviable position. I have several friends that are not concerend about money or vacations, it is one of the luxuries of the well-off. But they do not disdain anothers' need to be concerned about such things since both are a limited commodity for most people.

You are right about children learning the wrong things from such situations. We try to teach our children how important it is to keep promises. We'll just have to be sure to remember not to use Disney as an example of integrity for our children.

I would no more tell my children about such things than I would purposely take away other simple childhood innocences. There is plenty of time in life for cynicism, it can wait until life makes it unavoidable.

p.s. Sorry about the atrocious punctuation in many of my posts, I've been cringing when I reread them.

 

[Amberle3]

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Originally posted by Disneyallthetime
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Should Disney be expected to operate contrary to industry standard just because they're Disney?
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Well, yes. That has been Disney's hallmark from the beginning and is what Disney has been losing steadily for the past decade plus.

Well that's not quite true. Disney's hallmark from the beginning has been to operate HIGHER than industry standards, not contrary to them.

They opened great theme parks. They still charged people to get in. They still sell food, beverages and souvenirs at greatly inflated prices. Yes the attention to detail is wonderful, the service is fantastic. Yes it's suffered in the past years, but unfortunately that's not limited to the Disney ventures.

1. Larger than average staterooms.

DCL did have larger than average staterooms when the ships were built. They no longer are larger than average. Almost every single cruise line says they have larger than average staterooms. I just watched cruise videos from three different lines the other week, and each of them claimed to have the largest staterooms.

Just ask yourself this. Do you think Walt would be smiling at this?

In all honesty, probably. For one thing it means his ventures are incredibly successful.

But aside from that you're comparing apples to oranges, if you're going to make comparisons you have to do it with similar items.

Running the parks and running the cruise line are completely different. What works with one won't work with another. DCL isn't a floating amusement park. It's a cruise, with a Disney twist, and has to be compared to other cruises. Disney is doing what every other cruise line has. It continues to make innovations and bring in new ideas, such as the dining rotations. It bucks the trend by not having a casino. But in essence, it's a cruise line. And to expect them NOT to operate like a cruise line is unreasonable. What they've done is standard, there's no other way to say it. They're going far beyond what they're required to do in regards to rebooking guests and taking care of related expenses.

I know of a cruise line that cancelled bookings with less than a week's notice because they had a group. I don't know how many cabins were cancelled, but I do know that the only options provided for those who were cancelled was cruise on another date (with the possibility of a slight upgrade) or get your money back. No compensation was offered with respect to airfare or other arrangements.

Would Walt be smiling because DCL is operating at a higher service level and making every effort to accommodate the guests they had to cancel? I'm sure he would.

 

[Grumbo]

But I wouldn't expect more than what I paid for nor would I ask for it.

Good for you Cruise04...

I'm glad you feel that the imposition of worry, time, aggravation, money and upset is not compensable to you. I disagree and would want to be compensated in a manner that takes into account all of the above that Disney has inflicted on me due to their mere desire to dump one paying customer for another.

The way some people feel that we should be happy we can go on holiday and are free is really all that matters is laughable. This isn't about freedom, how much money we have (or haven't). It is merely a company that has decided to dump some paying customers and screw up their plans in favour of others.

To say maybe it was a Tender Wishes style group is irrelevant. At the risk of being "non politically correct", What the heck does that have to do with price of tomatoes!?!?!?!
These cruises are advertised, they take money, then decided they could sell them to others and do. THAT IS WRONG, and it is ethically abhorent. You can get hundreds of lawyers pointing out print you need a magnifying glass to read but it doesn't make this ethically or morally right.

I think we probably have flogged this topic to death and is now more appropriate on the Debate board but I doubt most of us will be moved one way or the other on our stated positions.

I am booked on DCL for next year. Will I cancel. No. I am much more leery of the company now though, and have already started looking at other companies as the "Disney" myth is wearing a bit thin I think.

Anyway everyone have a great weekend and hopefully all of those that got screwed around with this "cancellation" will have a happy resolution.

Cheers,
Grumbo

 

[ksouma]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
we paid $55 a night to stay on Disney property

Wow! That is a great price and would be right up my alley! We are doing 3 days at Universal Studios before our cruise and are paying more than that for an off site hotel....

I would much rather do that then worry about the accomodations being beneath me.

Nothing is beneath me, heck I pitch a tent right at the front gate and bring my Coleman stove if I thought Disney would not call the police on me.......


I know with Disney it is always top notch.
We like the POP so much we asked if we could stay with points since we just purchased the DVC. I loved it!

What did they say about using the points? I am looking at a sale with 100 points at Vero Beach for $6,200.

Oh well you know what they say about people who have to put on aires right LOL?

LOL

 

[Grumbo]

We like the POP so much we asked if we could stay with points since we just purchased the DVC. I loved it!

We stayed at the Pop Century last month. I'd not return there. It was not to the liking of anyone in our group. That is nothing to do with "aires" (sic). It is merely how WE felt about it.

It was all we could afford this trip and thus stayed there.

Next time I'll stay outside, or fewer days inside at a different grade.

Live and learn

Cheers,
Grumbo

 

[WDWguru]

Sorry to go OT, but had to answer... You can't use points to stay at POP. They negotiate with Disney for the deluxe resorts and a few moderates (PO & CB, iirc) each year, so it wouldn't be worth it anyway. The points aren't fixed as they are for the DVC resorts and are often quite a bit higher than DVC rooms. You're much better off paying cash, especially for a value resort.

 

[Disneyallthetime]

Originally posted by ksouma

In a mild defense of the posts referencing the value hotels, I don't think the point was really that it is beneath them to stay there, but that the value of such an offer to them was minimal at best. Everything is relative. To them such an appeasement would be about as interesting to them as say a free parking pass is to someone taking a bus. They can clearly afford whatever they find comforatable.

The problem is that such casual dismissal of relatively inexpensive lodgings can seem quite snobbish to those of us with more limited finances (Financially challenged is the PC term I believe ) . However, if I pay attention to my own comments I realize that they could seem quite snobbish at times to someone even less well-off than myself. Our expectations are colored by our experience and we tend see the world through such filters.

Note how some here have referred to ANYONE capable of taking such a vacation as needing to be grateful to have that ability at all. Its all relative. We here have the luxury of being concerned about a vacation. Others have the luxury of being concerned with the quality of their vacation while many people will literally never even seriously dream of such a thing at all.
Many are lucky to save for one trip to Disney and to stay at the cheapest offsite hotel. And those people are lucky compared to many that will never experience that much.
I will not stay at a dirty hotel anymore, whatever the savings. That makes me a snob. Its all relative.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

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Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
we paid $55 a night to stay on Disney property

Wow! That is a great price and would be right up my alley! We are doing 3 days at Universal Studios before our cruise and are paying more than that for an off site hotel....

======YEAH we saw the add in JAnuary and went down in Feb but we had airfare credit otherwise we wouldn't have been able to do this.======

I would much rather do that then worry about the accomodations being beneath me.

Nothing is beneath me, heck I pitch a tent right at the front gate and bring my Coleman stove if I thought Disney would not call the police on me.......

====I know right! I have a funny story DH and I (before we were married) went to WWDW and stayed at Carribean Beach. Well after relaxing in the hammock on the beach we fell asleep to be awakened by security thinking we were crashing LOL. We showed our room key and he was relieved but let us know it is not really a good idea to sleep outside. It was so funny.=====

I know with Disney it is always top notch.
We like the POP so much we asked if we could stay with points since we just purchased the DVC. I loved it!

What did they say about using the points? I am looking at a sale with 100 points at Vero Beach for $6,200.

==== It is cheaper (less points) to stay at a DVC resort then any of the regular resorts AND they don't even give point values to the value resorts since the DVC studios are so much bigger.======

Oh well you know what they say about people who have to put on aires right LOL?

LOL

 

[Tiiiigergirl]

Maybe disney's new motto could be "We suck less"...?

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Grumbo
Cruise04 said...



We stayed at the Pop Century last month. I'd not return there. It was not to the liking of anyone in our group. That is nothing to do with "aires" (sic). It is merely how WE felt about it.

It was all we could afford this trip and thus stayed there.

Next time I'll stay outside, or fewer days inside at a different grade.

Live and learn

Cheers,
Grumbo

See we saw it through our sons eyes on this trip had we gone as just an adult couple then maybe it wouldn't have mde a great impression on us. I also expected much less of it from reading what other have had to sa

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Grumbo
Cruise04 said...



We stayed at the Pop Century last month. I'd not return there. It was not to the liking of anyone in our group. That is nothing to do with "aires" (sic). It is merely how WE felt about it.

It was all we could afford this trip and thus stayed there.

Next time I'll stay outside, or fewer days inside at a different grade.

Live and learn

Cheers,
Grumbo

See we saw it through our sons eyes on this trip had we gone as just an adult couple then maybe it wouldn't have mde a great impression on us. I also expected much less of it from reading what other have had to sa

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Grumbo
Cruise04 said...



We stayed at the Pop Century last month. I'd not return there. It was not to the liking of anyone in our group. That is nothing to do with "aires" (sic). It is merely how WE felt about it.

It was all we could afford this trip and thus stayed there.

Next time I'll stay outside, or fewer days inside at a different grade.

Live and learn

Cheers,
Grumbo

See we saw it through our sons eyes on this trip had we gone as just an adult couple then maybe it wouldn't have mde a great impression on us. I also expected much less of it from reading what other have had to sa

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Grumbo
Cruise04 said...



We stayed at the Pop Century last month. I'd not return there. It was not to the liking of anyone in our group. That is nothing to do with "aires" (sic). It is merely how WE felt about it.

It was all we could afford this trip and thus stayed there.

Next time I'll stay outside, or fewer days inside at a different grade.

Live and learn

Cheers,
Grumbo

See we saw it through our sons eyes on this trip had we gone as just an adult couple then maybe it wouldn't have mde a great impression on us. I also expected much less of it from reading what other have had to sa

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Grumbo
Cruise04 said...



We stayed at the Pop Century last month. I'd not return there. It was not to the liking of anyone in our group. That is nothing to do with "aires" (sic). It is merely how WE felt about it.

It was all we could afford this trip and thus stayed there.

Next time I'll stay outside, or fewer days inside at a different grade.

Live and learn

Cheers,
Grumbo

See we saw it through our sons eyes on that trip. Had we gone as just an adult couple then maybe it wouldn't have mde a great impression on us. I also expected much less of it from reading what other have had to say about the value resorts. It was an offer we couldn't refuse but I doubt we would return only due to the fact that we own the DVC now. We did like the theme though it was amazing for our 3 year old.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

sorry about the triple post I have no idea what happened there UGH!

 

[ksouma]

Originally posted by WDWguru
Sorry to go OT, but had to answer... You can't use points to stay at POP. They negotiate with Disney for the deluxe resorts and a few moderates (PO & CB, iirc) each year, so it wouldn't be worth it anyway. The points aren't fixed as they are for the DVC resorts and are often quite a bit higher than DVC rooms. You're much better off paying cash, especially for a value resort.

Thanks for the reply! I am currently awaiting the DVC video and I hope that will answer allot of my Q's. If I have further Q's I will scoot over to the DVC board!

Thanks again for the response!

 

[Disneyallthetime]

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Amberle3 said:

Would Walt be smiling because DCL is operating at a higher service level and making every effort to accommodate the guests they had to cancel? I'm sure he would.
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Probably so. If they had "HAD" to cancel. That rather is the point of this whole thread. Even here you automatically used terminology that represents an acceptable situation as opposed to the reality of this one. Must be a Freudian thing, you couldn't attribute such an attitude to Walt even when you wanted too.

As noted, they have no casino. Disney has a history of bucking trends. (Ever notice no alcohol has ever been sold in MK?).

It is hardly "contrary" to decide not to cancel long booked vacations for unnecessary reasons. It would merely bring a new level of class to the industry. Something Walt managed to do with his parks.

Heck the lack of a casino is truly contrary to cruise standards if anything is.

 

[Cruise04]

I wasn't going to post any more on this post but I do have to defend myself - that wasn't me that made the comment about POP. In fact, we haven't been to Disney yet since POP has opened. We are DVC members and wouldn't pay to stay elsewhere because we own DVC. Sorry but I don't want to be accused of saying something that I didn't say. Just wanted to make that clear.

 

[Grumbo]

My apologies Cruise04.
The posts all seem to merge together. I'll edit that post.

Cheers,
Grumbo