Obama Polling, and "The Bradley Effect"

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Juan Williams of NPR said that Obama may need a 5% lead in the polls to overcome what has become known as the Bradley effect; white voters saying that they will vote for Obama but actually do not because of the racial issues.

Polling Methods May Tilt Obama Results, Exec Says

Wednesday, September 17, 2008 7:31 PM

By: Ron Kessler Article Font Size

Most polls may be overstating Barack Obama’s support by 5 to 10 percentage points because those surveyed may not be telling the truth about voting for him, ad executive Gabe Joseph III tells Newsmax.

It is possible that, when live callers ask for a respondent’s name, the individual is more likely to say he will vote for Obama, says Joseph, president of ccAdvertising, which conducts polls for a range of candidates and members of Congress. When automated dialers do the polling, respondents are more likely to give an honest answer because they think of the poll as being anonymous.

“I believe the traditional pollsters, when they ask your name, institute a bias,” Joseph says. “We never ask anybody who they are. We do not have to. The only personal identification we obtain comes at the end of the survey when we ask about gender and age.”

The difference is apparent when automated pollster results are compared with traditional polls that ask the individual’s name, he says. In many circles, particularly within the traditional Democrat base, it is politically incorrect to tell a pollster the respondent will not vote for Obama, he says.

“It’s very difficult to ask a question about race and get an accurate answer,” Joseph says. “People are concerned that their name is going to get out. So the only way that we’ve been able to track it, is to actually do surveys where the respondent is not identified before elections, before primaries. If you do one beforehand, you can look at the difference and you see what’s really happening.”

The clearest example of the disparity was in the Democratic primary in New Hampshire. The polls showed Obama running ahead of Hillary Clinton by up to 13 points. When the returns came in, Obama had lost by three points to his fellow Democrat.

The phenomenon has been dubbed the Bradley Effect, first identified in a 1982 California gubernatorial election. Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley was the supposed front-runner in an open race. Polls showed the African-American Democrat running well ahead of white Republican candidate George Deukmejian. Yet, when the returns came in, Bradley lost by more than 50,000 votes.

To be sure, when it comes to Obama, not every primary election validated the Bradley Effect. But now, in every state ccAdvertising is tracking, Joseph has discerned “a 5-point to 10-point difference” between the number of respondents who say they will vote for Obama when asked anonymously, compared with results when pollsters request their names.

In ccAdvertising’s most recent poll on Sept. 7, the company surveyed 130,000 homes in 13 targeted states. Overall, 48.5 percent of the respondents said they would vote for McCain, compared with 40.2 percent for Obama, a difference of 8.3 percentage points. Of the respondents, 11.3 percent said they had no preference.

The results showed a decrease in support for Obama of 4.9 percent and an increase in support for McCain of 6.3 percent over a previous poll taken before the conventions.

McCain won 11 of the states surveyed with 149 electoral votes: Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, North Carolina, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

Obama won two of the states surveyed with 86 electoral votes: California and New York.
 
I agree with Williams. Racism is the main issue that's going to drive this race. I don't think that Obama will be able to overcome it.
 
This is 2008 not 1982. When Barack Obama loses, it will be because the majority of America does not support his left wing agenda. His ethnicity has nothing to do with it. The only people who are bringing race into this election are Barack Obama and the people who support him.

They need new material. It's beyond old.
 
I just saw them talking about this on Fox this morning
 

Yep, it's race. :rolleyes:

It couldn't possible have anything to do with the fact that he's soooooo extreme left that he scares the pants off most people.

Let's face it - BHO has to be extreme left to make a moderate like McCain look this attractive to the republican base.
 
This is 2008 not 1982. When Barack Obama loses, it will be because the majority of America does not support his left wing agenda. His ethnicity has nothing to do with it. The only people who are bringing race into this election are Barack Obama and the people who support him.
They need new material. It's beyond old.

That is not true. I know 3 ignorant people who will not be voting at all because Obama is black.
 
I also think that there are a segment of supporters; on either side, that will say they are voting but do not show up at the polls.
 
Yep, it's race. :rolleyes:

It couldn't possible have anything to do with the fact that he's soooooo extreme left that he scares the pants off most people.

Let's face it - BHO has to be extreme left to make a moderate like McCain look this attractive to the republican base.

Ha. Not this Republican. I still don't like McCain, but if I have to choose the lesser of the two evils, IMO, I vote for Mickey Mouse.

Well, not really, but I feel like it.
 
That is not true. I know 3 ignorant people who will not be voting at all because Obama is black.

And I know at least 3 ignorent people that are voting for him simply because he is black. Goes both ways.
 
That is not true. I know 3 ignorant people who will not be voting at all because Obama is black.

I know many people who are not voting for Obama because is black. Some in my own family I am ashamed to say. Those who think racism is not an issue, what country do they live in? Racism is alive and well in the US.
 
This is 2008 not 1982. When Barack Obama loses, it will be because the majority of America does not support his left wing agenda. His ethnicity has nothing to do with it. The only people who are bringing race into this election are Barack Obama and the people who support him.

They need new material. It's beyond old.

:thumbsup2 Race has nothing to do with it. I will not vote for Obama because of his party. If he was white, I still would not vote for him. If McCain was black, I would still vote for him. I wish Condeleeza Rice would run for president , I vote for her in a second. Colin Powell, I'd jump up and down!

It is EXREMELY insulting and RACIST to imply that he will not be elected because of race. Are we supposed to give up our politics, values and all our life long held beliefs and vote democratic now, just because he is black?
 
This is 2008 not 1982. When Barack Obama loses, it will be because the majority of America does not support his left wing agenda. His ethnicity has nothing to do with it. The only people who are bringing race into this election are Barack Obama and the people who support him.

They need new material. It's beyond old.

Really? Nothing to do with it? I'm about as level headed as anyone around here and I'd never say that race has absolutely nothing to do with how we deal with anything in life. Our race, and our individual preconceptions based on it, are part of who each of us are. I think the overwhelmingly vast majority of people would agree.

Sure we're getting better, but with all due respect (because as a poster, I really don't know you very well), to say that race issues in presidential politics simply don't exist in 2008 is a pretty bold statement to make...

I think Williams makes an interesting point, but as far as needing a 5-10% poll advantage, who knows? I'd hope we are a better people than that.
 
And I know at least 3 ignorent people that are voting for him simply because he is black. Goes both ways.

I agree with that, too. I thought we as a nation had gotten away from voting for and against based simply on the color of skin, their sex, etc., but in the end people are frankly biased people.
 
It's race, but not in the way most folks think it is. A lot of people will lie to pollsters about supporting Obama — NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE RACIST — but because race hustlers like Jesse Jackson have taken racist demagoguery in this country to toxic levels, so decent people just ASSUME they will be taken as racist for NOT supporting Obama, so they lie to avoid dealing with the racist assumption.

I see it all the time in real life, too. People just avoid discussing race, because it always turns into a "You're a racist" moment. It's easier to just avoid it, because one always ends up having to defend oneself. I can't even tell you how many times this election year someone has said to me, "You aren't supporting Obama? Are you a racist?" That is always the FIRST conclusion they come to. Many times it's been said by liberal friends in humor, but they really mean it. They're wrong. But they think they're right. Liberals really believe that the ONLY REASON someone wouldn't vote for Obama is because they're a racist, and people answering those polls know it.

He isn't going to win because he's a far-left radical liberal, and far-left radical liberals tend not to win national elections in this country. We are a center-right country, and John McCain (whether you like him or not) is a center-right candidate. So when my friends ask me if I'm a racist, I just smile and say, "No. Barack Obama is a far-left radical liberal. I don't vote for far-left radical liberals." I see the beginnings of a light bulb coming to life over their heads, and they walk away confused and dejected.
 
If BHO loses, it will be because of the "socialist effect" - or as I like to call it, "the Obama effect". ;)
 
How does one explain that 94% of the black vote will go to Obama? Is that racism? I would hazard a guess that 94% of the white vote will not go to McCain.
 
How does one explain that 94% of the black vote will go to Obama? Is that racism? I would hazard a guess that 94% of the white vote will not go to McCain.
After 400 years of oppression a black man runs for office and you think it's racism when blacks vote for him?????????
 


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