Obama pledges unity

[natenapril]

"The men and women who serve in our battlefields may be Democrats and Republicans and independents, but they have fought together, and bled together, and some died together under the same proud flag. They have not served a red America or a blue America; they have served the United States of America."
Barack Obama

Then why does he want to cut 25% of our military

 

[disney1990]

"The men and women who serve in our battlefields may be Democrats and Republicans and independents, but they have fought together, and bled together, and some died together under the same proud flag. They have not served a red America or a blue America; they have served the United States of America."
Barack Obama

 

[CowboyCO]

Trying to explain this stuff to people who vote against there own economic interests constantly is a lost cause!!

Just because someone promises to give me money is no reason to vote for him. Especially if he is taking that money from someone else to give to me.

 

[CowboyCO]

Ohhhhh. I get it now.

You mean like the refundable tax credit John McCain has promised each family for health care???

Gotcha.

You only get the tax credit for health insurance from McCain if you actually go out and buy insurance. You don't buy insurance, you don't get the tax credit. Obama's plan is to only give the tax credit to people who don't pay taxes. Oh and he wants to gift them universal health insurance as well.

 

[Goofyluver]

You only get the tax credit for health insurance from McCain if you actually go out and buy insurance. You don't buy insurance, you don't get the tax credit. Obama's plan is to only give the tax credit to people who don't pay taxes. Oh and he wants to gift them universal health insurance as well.

A. It's not universal health insurance. Read up on it.

B. John McCain will give the credit to those who do not file or pay taxes.

 

[corndog]

Really...my liberal values are ALL about spreading misery. Yup. I believe that people should have good jobs, where they are paid fair wages. (how miserable) I believe that we should have equal access to health insurance in our country. (how miserable) I believe our educational system needs improvement. (how miserable) I believe in equal rights for our citizens. (how miserable)

Sniff. Sniff. I can smell the misery coming right off of me.

Sounds like conservative values to me.

 

[Goofyluver]

Sounds like conservative values to me.

Shivers. Up. My. Spine.

 

[corndog]

Under bill clinton taxes on the wealthy where where they will be under obama...i will take that economy

You do know that "the wealthy" are paying a greater percantage of the total tax burden than at any time in our nation's history, right? In fact, under Bush, their tax burden has increased at 6-8 times the rate of their income increase. Of course you'll never hear that reported on the news.

 

[bicker]

Then why does he want to cut 25% of our military

He doesn't. It's a lie desperate members of the Republican campaign are spreading.

You do know that "the wealthy" are paying a greater percantage of the total tax burden than at any time in our nation's history, right?

You do know that the disparity between the richest and poorest is the highest it has been at any time in our nation's history, right? And also that the disparity between the richest and poorest in the United States is the highest of any nation in the world? These two factors govern how much of the total tax burden the rich should morally bear, in a compassionate conservative economy.

 

[minnie61650]

No, it's nothing sinister about it. I'm going by what he has said himself. A tax cut for anybody making less than $250k / 95% of Americans. Of that 95%, 40% pay no income taxes to begin with. How are they getting a cut? Please explain that to me. .....
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You misunderstood.

Obama said only 5% of tax payers will have an increase in taxes.
5% ......( those families making more than $250,000 or individuals making over $200,00)

95% of population will not pay more.

55% ( those working) will get a tax break

40% (those not working) will not see a change.

Hope that helps.

 

[just4today]

He doesn't. It's a lie desperate members of the Republican campaign are spreading.

I suppose, if you're including Barney Frank et al in that category.

You do know that the disparity between the richest and poorest is the highest it has been at any time in our nation's history, right? And also that the disparity between the richest and poorest in the United States is the highest of any nation in the world? These two factors govern how much of the total tax burden the rich should morally bear, in a compassionate conservative economy.

For somebody who is constantly complaining about Palin and others trying to interject their morals into politics, it's interesting how much your morals are factoring into your arguments here.

You misunderstood.

Forgive me. It's easy to do when trying to figure Obama's pie-in-the-sky tax policies.

Obama said only 5% of tax payers will have an increase in taxes.
5% ......( those families making more than $250,000 or individuals making over $200,00)

Right. The 5% who are already shouldering massive burden to begin with. Gotcha.

95% of population will not pay more.

Interesting, considering we're already broke and all the expensive entitlement programs that Obama keeps pushing.

55% ( those working) will get a tax break

See above.

40% (those not working) will not see a change.

Unless you count increased entitlements.

Hope that helps.

It does indeed.

 

[minnie61650]

Then why does he want to cut 25% of our military

He does not want to cut the military.

HERE are a few of his Military goals:

Invest in a 21st Century Military

Rebuild the Military for 21st Century Tasks: As we rebuild our armed forces, we must not simply recreate the military of the Cold War era. Obama and Biden believe that we must build up our special operations forces, civil affairs, information operations, and other units and capabilities that remain in chronic short supply; invest in foreign language training, cultural awareness, and human intelligence and other needed counterinsurgency and stabilization skill sets; and create a more robust capacity to train, equip, and advise foreign security forces, so that local allies are better prepared to confront mutual threats. .....

Expand to Meet Military Needs on the Ground: Barack Obama and Joe Biden support plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 soldiers and the Marines by 27,000 troops. Increasing our end strength will help units retrain and re-equip properly between deployments and decrease the strain on military families.


Build Defense Capabilities for the 21st Century
Fully Equip Our Troops for the Missions They Face: Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we must get vitally needed equipment to our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines before lives are lost. We cannot repeat such failures as the delays in deployment of armored vehicles, body armor and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles that save lives on the frontlines.

Review Weapons Programs: We must rebalance our capabilities to ensure that our forces have the agility and lethality to succeed in both conventional wars and in stabilization and counter-insurgency operations. Obama and Biden have committed to a review of each major defense program in light of current needs, gaps in the field, and likely future threat scenarios in the post-9/11 world. ....

Preserve Global Reach in the Air: We must preserve our unparalleled airpower capabilities to deter and defeat any conventional competitors, swiftly respond to crises across the globe, and support our ground forces. .....

Maintain Power Projection at Sea: We must recapitalize our naval forces, replacing aging ships and modernizing existing platforms, while adapting them to the 21st century. .....

National Missile Defense: An Obama-Biden administration will support missile defense, but ensure that it is developed in a way that is pragmatic and cost-effective; and, most importantly, does not divert resources from other national security priorities until we are positive the technology will protect the American public. .....etc.

 

[minnie61650]

Right. The 5% who are already shouldering massive burden to begin with. Gotcha.

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Yes, that 5%.

DH and I are a part of that 5%.

Thank you so much for your concern.

If Obama is elected and if his plan passes than we would be paying 4% more in taxes. Back to same tax rate we paid before the BUSH tax cut.

We live in Michigan. Every day we see how much the middle class is really hurting in Michigan.

If that 4% tax increase we will pay will be given back to the middle class in the form of a tax break than we feel it will be going to a good cause.

We feel that our country needs a strong middle class. It is usually the middle class that helps small business grow.

JMHO

 

[Galahad]

No sweetie, you get used to it...Get used to a Barack Obama presidency!!! You and yours can wallow in your misery Have fun Maybe someone will put you out of it on November 4th.

This supports a suspicion of mine.....that for many people it's more about making sure your personal opposition suffers than anything else. Government according to "sticking it to 'em". How many will be celebrating next week, not because of what Senator Obama will do but because of how they imagine "those people" are miserable because of it?

 

[Galahad]

Yes, that 5%.

DH and I are a part of that 5%.

Thank you so much for your concern.

If Obama is elected and if his plan passes than we would be paying 4% more in taxes. Back to same tax rate we paid before the BUSH tax cut.

We live in Michigan. Every day we see how much the middle class is really hurting in Michigan.

If that 4% tax increase we will pay will be given back to the middle class in the form of a tax break than we feel it will be going to a good cause.

We feel that our country needs a strong middle class. It is usually the middle class that helps small business grow.

JMHO

Are you refering to a change in rate from 35% to 39%? Just curious - the 4% could be based on something else. But if the 4% figure refers to that proposed change, then it's not right. The income that is taxed at that rate will be taxed at a rate over 11% higher than before, not 4%.

 

[bicker]

For somebody who is constantly complaining about Palin and others trying to interject their morals into politics, it's interesting how much your morals are factoring into your arguments here.

Oh, I cannot wait for you to quote the portions of your moral code that justifies such excessive disparities between rich and poor. I've never seen a single statement of any moral code that justifies such exploitation of one's power. As a matter of fact, I think Spinoza proved definitively that a moral code could not be internally consistent with principles that permitted any type of excess. That's not a religious belief, but rather a conclusion of logical reason.

 

[bicker]

How many will be celebrating next week, not because of what Senator Obama will do but because of how they imagine "those people" are miserable because of it?

I doubt that there is any significant amount of that. I think what you're seeing is a natural and understandable reaction to the vicious nature of the expression of the desperation of those who see their own candidate on the verge of losing this election. It is, without a doubt, far more extreme, every election, as compared to the election previous to it, so now we're really reaching a point where the viciousness is prompting many more visceral reactions.

I, for one, wouldn't be celebrating either way: Both candidates suck. Of Obama wins, however, I will breathe a very hearty sigh of relief that we dodged a bullet.

 

[minnie61650]

95% of population will not pay more.



Interesting, considering we're already broke and all the expensive entitlement programs that Obama keeps pushing.

With Obama's Plan there should be a surplus of 700 billion dollars.

By raising taxes from 35% to 39% on those families making more than $250,000 he should have a 700 billion surplus even after the tax breaks are given to the middle class.
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According to the following website the Obama plan would add 700 billion dollars to the Federal budget.

With McCain's plan the Federal budget would have a 600 billion dollar deficit.

Obama, McCain tax plans
June 30, 2008

John McCain's tax plans would have everybody pay a little less in taxes with the wealthiest paying a lot less. Barack Obama's plan would have a the wealthy pay a lot more and would give middle- and lower-income people bigger breaks than McCain's plans. Obama would raise income and capital gains taxes on earners over $250,000. McCain would cut the estate tax. Obama would raise it on estates over $3.5 million.

The tax plans Obama McCain
$227,000 - a year - plus $23,000 more $15,000 less
$112,000 - $227,000 (15% of population) $2,300 less $3,200 less
$66,000 - $112,000 (20% of population) $1,290 less ($500 per worker tax credit for $0 to $150,000) $1,009 less
$38,000 - $66,000 (20% of population) $1,042 less $319 less
$19,000 - $38,000 (20% of population) $892 less $113 less
$0 - $19,000 (20% of population) $567 less $19 less
Tax breaks for all: College credit: $4,000 a year per student in college Double dependent credit: from $3,500 to $7,000
Impact of tax changes on federal budget: Returns $700 billion Costs $600 billion
Source: Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. Numbers are estimates and averages.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1031678,obamamccaintaxplans.article

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* Please note Numbers are estimates and averages.

That is why the top figure on the chart is $227,000 - a year ..... They are taking the average of individuals making over $200,000 and the number of families making over $250,000 a year to come with that figure.

Obama's was not to increase tax individuals making less than $200,000 or families making less than $250,000.

Also remember that the over $227,000 also includes CEO's and others whose incomes are muti millions of dollars.

 

[minnie61650]

Are you refering to a change in rate from 35% to 39%? Just curious - the 4% could be based on something else. But if the 4% figure refers to that proposed change, then it's not right. The income that is taxed at that rate will be taxed at a rate over 11% higher than before, not 4%.

From 35%-39%

 

[Galahad]

With Obama's Plan there be a surplus of 700 billion dollars.

Do you actually believe that will happen?

Also remember that the over $227,000 also includes CEO's and others whose incomes are muti millions of dollars.

But most of it will not include those multi millionaires. I could be persuaded that those CEOs making 100s of millions while companies falter and their workers get the shaft have some comeupance coming. But most of those people making 200K, 300K, etc. are wage earners. Even if it's a high wage they are getting that income through no less honorable methods that the person making 50K.