NYIP Update

DueyDooDah

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Jen, Andrew and anyone else that started this course. How about an update? Are you getting results? Are you satisfied with the course? Are you still plugging away?

I just signed up and am awaiting the first course literature.
 
yeah I am still plugging away. Andy is farther along than I am. I am paying monthly so I have to make two payments before they ship the next unit.

Unit two was supposed to arrive in November and didn't. I called several times and got kinda different answers - it turns out they are updating the entire program - which is a good thing.

I got Unit 2 on Monday but I haven't really dug into it at all yet.

I like the program so far - unit one was definately dated - hoping the new unit 2 is better.

It is making me stop and think about what I am doing more. I think all in all I will get a lot out of it.

They really seem to know their stuff - and hopefully like I said the updated version will address more of teh digital side instead of film.

As far as them being a good business - not so happy about that. I am glad they are updating, but I wish I would have been told that when I initally called and not 3 calls later. By that time I was getting angry with them and seriously concerned. I think the least they could have done was let their current students whom would be getting their materials late know what was going on - but NOTHING was said until (like I said) my 3rd inquiry to them.

The first unit was on basic camera operations so it wasn't anything that I didn't already know - just got me to think about what I was trying to accomplish with my photos and how I was setting them up a bit more.

I will keep you posted.
 
Ok, here is my take on NYIP.

Their course content as it stands now is very outdated. There are many sections that deal with film, developing, etc. That is not what I thought I would be dealing with when I joined. Not that it is bad to know, but heck, I will most likely never be handling a film camera again. I like the fact that many sections are geared towards the basics of photography. These things will most likely never change. I have learned alot from them. They have made me think in different ways about my photographs that I would have never picked up on my own. I am very pleased with my pattern of thinking when I compose a shot nowadays. That being said, I am still not all that good at it. I am practicing hard, but am in a bit of a slump lately I guess.

As Jen said, their customer service is poor. I paid for the course in full (not making payments) and received all of the course already. Now I just have to work on it. Then Jen tells me that they are re-doing alot of the sections and putting their audio portion onto CD's and not cassette tapes. Well, I have the old versions of the texts and tapes. That stinks. When I contacted them about this, I was told that I could BUY the texts and tapes for a total cost of something like $80-100. That is not exactly good customer service as I am only on Unit 2 of 6 so far. It's not like I have completed most of the course. So I guess I will never have either the new texts or the CD's. I certainly am not going to buy them.

Another thing to keep in mind is that they sort of expect you to go out and buy some sort of studio lighting to do portraiture. They say it can be done without it, but I can't exactly figure out how. That was another $189 out of my pocket for 3 floodlight setups. Glad I have them, but I didn't expect to have to get them, ya know?

One thing that confuses me is that they send you a white umbrella for studio lighting but no way to attach it to anything. I haven't gotten to that section yet so I don't know what their explaination is on that one. :confused3

The whole thing just seems to be REALLY REALLY disorganized right now. This is probably due to them changing the course, but they should have thought about it quite a bit more then they have. They routinely talk about "Shirley". This is a manequin head that they used to send to the students to help with portrait shooting. Well, Shirley doesn't exist anymore. The texts talk about her, the audio tape talks about her, but you get a piece of paper telling you that they no longer send her to the students. Again I say: :confused3

When I say that the material is dated, I mean really dated. They mention how I can go to Woolworth's to buy lenses and stuff. Another :confused3 ! Woolworth's hasn't been around since the early 90's. Even then it was not widespread. Old.

So, my 2 cents on this topic is this: Wait. Wait until they get their act together. Sign up to get "more information". They will send it to you in the mail and by e-mail. Then wait. And wait. And wait. The price will drop with each thing you get in the mail. The total course cost is $1000. I got in at $650. I didnt want to wait anymore. I should have waited.

You WILL get alot out of the course. I have no doubt about that. Are there better courses out there? I would guess so, but I have no idea what they are. I haven't looked into the New England Institute of Photography yet. I should have looked there first. I wanted something much more digitally focused. I am making good use of the general information though, such as composition, different rules, etc. Just wish they were focused on digital and not film.

Does that answer your questions? :lmao: I hope so, but if you have any more specific questions be sure to either ask them here or PM me.
 
Great info to know. I knew about the updated material way before I ever considered signing up. I emailed them when I first started thinking about signing up, stating that I would not even consider a course that used audio cassettes. They told me they were in the process of updating the course and everything (except the feedback) would be on CDs/DVDs. Once I received the discounted ad in the mail ($648 + a light tent and a 5-in-1 reflector) that stated it was the new course, I signed up. Looking over the course outline, it looks like the real meat is in the second half of the course, although I look forward to getting the basics also. It looks like the course is still gear towards film although there are also sections devoted to digital. Although I hope it's not true, I doubt the course has many, if any, changes except the media it's delivered on. I am glad to hear you are both learning but sad its not quite what you'd hoped for. Maybe we can compare notes once I get my hands on the materials.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I wish you both well in the coming months.

BTW: I received my welcome letter today. Unit one is in the mail.
 

That's great that you signed up! I got a free 40GB external drive for paying in full. I'd rather have a light tent and reflector! Oh well, I'll put the drive to use on my vacations.

You will certainly learn alot. It's just the other stuff that you just have to muscle through. You will certainly see an improvement in your photos and in your thinking. It is fun in that respect. I see everything as a photo now. I am constantly asking myself "how would I expose for that" and stuff like that. I just wish I could get the photos that I think I can get. I'm just having a hard time with that right now for some reason. Like I said, I think it is a slump.

Well, welcome to the NYIP club!
 
...I just wish I could get the photos that I think I can get. I'm just having a hard time with that right now for some reason. Like I said, I think it is a slump.

It's the weather. Trying to do anything when it's grey out, day-after-day, just makes it a challenge to get out the door. I have the same problem (Seattle would be great if it was not for the grey - but wait, there's a positive - I don't need to carry a grey card)

Well, welcome to the NYIP club!

Thanks. Maybe we can share some pointers as we go.
 
It's the weather. Trying to do anything when it's grey out, day-after-day, just makes it a challenge to get out the door. I have the same problem (Seattle would be great if it was not for the grey - but wait, there's a positive - I don't need to carry a grey card)



Thanks. Maybe we can share some pointers as we go.

I agree. Winter is not a good time to be out shooting. The area is dull. Not much going on at all. Tried again today and was again disappointed with my results. Oh well, Spring is just around the corner...

I'm sure that we can share some pointers. We may need to just to get through it as digital shooters. What camera do you use?
 
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I second what Andy said - welcome to the NYIP club. :goodvibes

Don't all three of us shoot with a 30D?
 
I second what Andy said - welcome to the NYIP club. :goodvibes

Don't all three of us shoot with a 30D?

I do, you do and I think Duey does too by looking at the avatar. That should make it easy to share advice/skills!
 
Ok, here is my take on NYIP.


One thing that confuses me is that they send you a white umbrella for studio lighting but no way to attach it to anything. I haven't gotten to that section yet so I don't know what their explaination is on that one. :confused3

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you usually don't get anything with umbrellas, when i bought my studio lights, the brackets that attach them to my lightstands, also has an attachment for umbrellas, basically the top of the bracket attaches to my strobes, the bottom to my lightstands and in the middle is a hole with a thumbscrew, you slide the umbrella in and tighten the screw..


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you ususally don't get anything with umbrellas, when i bought my studio lights, the brackets that attach them to my lightstands, also has an attachment for umbrellas, basically the top of the bracket attaches to my strobes, the bottom to my lightstands and in the middle is a hole with a thumbscrew, you slide the umbrella in and tighten the screw..

Yeah, I know that now. When I bought my lights, they had the hardware for the umbrellas. They came with 2 umbrellas too. What I thought was odd is that NYIP sends an umbrella, but I can't figure out how they expect me to use it unless I had bought lights to use it with. Then they tell me that I don't NEED to buy lights. Well, unless I have the lights, the umbrella is useless, isn't it? :confused3 I don't exactly have an assistant hanging around to hold the umbrella near a lamp! :) It is a nice umbrella anyways. It just seems like the NYIP people are a little screwy sometimes like that.
 
Yeah, I know that now. When I bought my lights, they had the hardware for the umbrellas. They came with 2 umbrellas too. What I thought was odd is that NYIP sends an umbrella, but I can't figure out how they expect me to use it unless I had bought lights to use it with. Then they tell me that I don't NEED to buy lights. Well, unless I have the lights, the umbrella is useless, isn't it? :confused3 I don't exactly have an assistant hanging around to hold the umbrella near a lamp! :) It is a nice umbrella anyways. It just seems like the NYIP people are a little screwy sometimes like that.


I suppose you could look at it that way, 20 years ago when I took the course I just looked at it as a nice freebie that I didn't have to buy when I bought my lights..:confused3
 
I suppose you could look at it that way, 20 years ago when I took the course I just looked at it as a nice freebie that I didn't have to buy when I bought my lights..:confused3

Well, you are right about that. I like freebies. Also if something happens to one of my umbrellas that I got with my lights, I am still good to go. I just had hoped to not have to buy lights. I am not a people person when it comes to working with them to pose, etc. Portraiture will probably never be my thing. I am glad that I am learning it, but I hope to not have to do alot of it. Maybe when I get into that section in full, I will find that I like it, but I doubt it. I am more of a nature photographer. We'll see. Hopefully I can save the money on those terrible school portraits by doing my own of DD.
 
Well, you are right about that. I like freebies. Also if something happens to one of my umbrellas that I got with my lights, I am still good to go. I just had hoped to not have to buy lights. I am not a people person when it comes to working with them to pose, etc. Portraiture will probably never be my thing. I am glad that I am learning it, but I hope to not have to do alot of it. Maybe when I get into that section in full, I will find that I like it, but I doubt it. I am more of a nature photographer. We'll see. Hopefully I can save the money on those terrible school portraits by doing my own of DD.


you will easily make your money back just on Senior pics...

my stepson came home 2 years ago with the brochure from the school recommended photographer, her cheapest package was 1000.


but if you bought the 1500 package you got an extra 100 worth of pics free...:lmao:

I did his pics, got them printed at mpix on metallic paper and he ended up with more pics than the 1000 package for way under under 100...
 
you will easily make your money back just on Senior pics...

my stepson came home 2 years ago with the brochure from the school recommended photographer, her cheapest package was 1000.


but if you bought the 1500 package you got an extra 100 worth of pics free...:lmao:

I did his pics, got them printed at mpix on metallic paper and he ended up with more pics than the 1000 package for way under under 100...

Exactly. We saved big $ last year when I did Kylies. I am wondering how much better Emily's will be when I have to do them in a few years. Although I really don't want to think too hard about that. :( Kids grow up way to fast (and not fast enough sometimes).
 
Well, I received Unit One of the new course. It looks to be totally updated. Each lesson comes in it's own, full-color booklet, all done very nicely. There are five-discs: 1 DVD and 4 CDs. Each of the CDs contain the bulk of the lesson material. Chuck, Misty and Elinor are the speakers and basically discuss all aspects of the lesson. They include the latest info concerning digital advancements. I have not looked at the DVD yet.

The lessons still include historical information but the speakers elude to the fact that the rest of the content is pretty much digitally-based. They all shoot primarily digital themselves and have been for over 3 years.

There is another CD included in the package labeled How to Enter and Win Contests. This is an audio that explains how to submit photos and what do judges look for.

Currently, Unit Two is still unavailable. There is a letter explaining that it has been sent to the printers, but it has not yet arrived at the school. They will ship it as soon as it arrives.

The materials are so new that they sent an errata sheet pointing out typos in the lessons. I have also found some that are not in the errata. They are not glaring problems, just typos. The text and CD quality is superb. I find the lessons have a good mix of simplicity and complexity, so far. But, I also find some of the text a bit confusing how it's layed out. They dwell on a concept, specifically focal length and f-stop, to the point that I had assumed they had moved on, but in fact were attempting explain the same concept in another way. It didn't blend well for me, but that could be that I had moved on in my head and they were targeting a bigger audience, covering their bases.

One thing about this course I really like is the lack of stress on the equipment. Although I have pretty good equipment, it's good to know that the focus of the course is on composition and the photographic thought process rather than 'you'll need this lens for that shot' kind of teaching.

I have started lesson three, The Lens, already. I hope to have this unit done by next weekend with the exception of the photo shoot, which I have not yet been told the assignment. I hope Unit Two is ready soon. I intend to ask for all materials in a lump shipment, as I have paid in full for the course.

Let me know if there are any specific questions you'd like answered. PM me if you wish.
 
Well, I received Unit One of the new course. It looks to be totally updated. Each lesson comes in it's own, full-color booklet, all done very nicely. There are five-discs: 1 DVD and 4 CDs. Each of the CDs contain the bulk of the lesson material. Chuck, Misty and Elinor are the speakers and basically discuss all aspects of the lesson. They include the latest info concerning digital advancements. I have not looked at the DVD yet.

The lessons still include historical information but the speakers elude to the fact that the rest of the content is pretty much digitally-based. They all shoot primarily digital themselves and have been for over 3 years.

There is another CD included in the package labeled How to Enter and Win Contests. This is an audio that explains how to submit photos and what do judges look for.

Currently, Unit Two is still unavailable. There is a letter explaining that it has been sent to the printers, but it has not yet arrived at the school. They will ship it as soon as it arrives.

The materials are so new that they sent an errata sheet pointing out typos in the lessons. I have also found some that are not in the errata. They are not glaring problems, just typos. The text and CD quality is superb. I find the lessons have a good mix of simplicity and complexity, so far. But, I also find some of the text a bit confusing how it's layed out. They dwell on a concept, specifically focal length and f-stop, to the point that I had assumed they had moved on, but in fact were attempting explain the same concept in another way. It didn't blend well for me, but that could be that I had moved on in my head and they were targeting a bigger audience, covering their bases.

One thing about this course I really like is the lack of stress on the equipment. Although I have pretty good equipment, it's good to know that the focus of the course is on composition and the photographic thought process rather than 'you'll need this lens for that shot' kind of teaching.

I have started lesson three, The Lens, already. I hope to have this unit done by next weekend with the exception of the photo shoot, which I have not yet been told the assignment. I hope Unit Two is ready soon. I intend to ask for all materials in a lump shipment, as I have paid in full for the course.

Let me know if there are any specific questions you'd like answered. PM me if you wish.

Wow - you are really moving along. I had better get busy on unit 2 ( i have the new materials) or you will be blazing right by me. ;)
 
I have read Unit's 2, 3 & 4 but have only listened to Unit 2 so far. I am planning on shooting the pics for Unit 2 when I go away to FL in Feb. If I get truly inspired, I will shoot a vouple before then but this brown, cold dull winter is getting into my soul and sucking the artistic life right out of me. I bring my camera with me everyday. I haven't taken it out of the bag in a couple weeks...
 
Well, the DVD is just a digital version of the old VHS. Poor quality video but the info was, although cheesy, quite informative. I have finished Unit 1 except for the photos. I could use old photos I have but think I will try something new with my "new eyes" (think 3 guidlines - lol).

I know what you mean, Andrew, about the gloomy weather. Thankfully, DW and I took a few days over Christmas and went south, to the Land of the Mouse. I'm still feeling pretty peppy. I'd better hurry before my coworkers make my life a living h*&l, as usual (I'm an IT tech so you know may understand my situation)

Jen are you saying you got the new digital stuff? If so, let us know what you think when comparing it to the older course, if possible.

And again, so far I'm very happy with the course.
 

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