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hi all...I KNOW what you mean Kelley...WICKED BUSY here too...esp since i'll be out all next week.....uggghhh.....but hey i WILL be at DL on Monday@!!!!:woohoo: :dance3: :banana: all by myself...could be a cool day...never done that before.....

i have MANY MANY things going on between now & cruise to keep me busy...mind occupied etc......

i had posted all of the Jostens price pks last night....and then had an internet error...so didnt' take...uggghhh - but our pkgs begin at $51 for the cap/gown/tassel & go up to $249....yikes!!! guess we're getting the middle pkg which is $149 - it's the least exp one that has some announcements (20 i think)...name cards, thank yous, a key chain & the cap gown tassel.....all of this ON TOP of a $55 application fee to every college he's applying to - which is now 7.....I'm broke!
 
sounds about the same package we ordered - except she just had to have the senior key - though I still have mine somewhere around here

sigh
 
but hey i WILL be at DL on Monday@!!!! all by myself...could be a cool day...never done that before.....

:wizard: :cloud9: :woohoo:

I sooo wish we lived closer...

my trip last september to WDW with Rose ended up with me doing alot of the parks alone. Rose is a HUGE Phillies fan and they were in the pennant race at the time so she spent most days at ESPN watching tv. She enjoyed it and I actually had a good time wandering all by myself~
 
Seems like I am doing my part for the economy this week - FE gifts have been ordered

:rotfl2:
 

I have a favor to ask the Magic Mateys...

a very small one please...

if you spot a Captain Mickey antenna Topper on the ship could you please pick one up for me?????? My threadkiller cruisin friend looked on the Wonder for me while on her last cruise and they actually had none onboard! :eek: She suggested someone check the Magic. Who wants to be my antenna topper hunter?
 
Seems like I am doing my part for the economy this week - FE gifts have been ordered

:rotfl2:

I have a couple ideas that the government could do to totally help our economy~I am not an economist by far, but I really feel these ideas could help~Aisling, run these by Chad and see what he thinks for me please...


First: Invest back into every neighborhood by offering small businesses their first two years tax free, say up to $250,000 cap on their net profit. Most new businesses don't profit til their third year if they even get past the first. Giving them one less (taxes can be a HUGE headache) headache to worry about. Si capiche? Bottom line, lotsa new businesses could stimulate the economy.

Second: All those people who financed houses at a larger than what its worth now amount should be given some kind of reprieve. The money being given to the banks should be used as a base to offer folks new mortgages based on the value their home is now, also based on their ability to pay the current mortgage amount and rate offered. Folks should only be offered an amount the borrower is ABLE to pay back.

For example: If a family has $100,000 in debt, a previously $500,000 house currently valued at $2 or $300,000 would qualify most folks to be able to re-finance and cover their debts without going into bankruptcy. My thinking is it would put money back into the economy by paying off their debts AND by eliminating debts people would have more leftover at the end of a paycheck and have more to spend which would also stimulate the economy.

The banks would now profit off the new valued mortgage since the government gave the banks the money to cover the old uncollectible debts. The $100,000 debt is not counting the old mortgage cause in my plan the old, valued to high mortgage, would be written off. The trade off is based on the homeowner's ability to sign for a new mortgage on the current value of the house at a more reasonable rate.

clear as mud?

I'm off my soapbox now~


and still writing in my vote for Mickey Mouse on Tuesday

::yes:: :upsidedow
 
I just skimmed through the last few pages and it looks like everyone's been busy, busy!

If this time of year wasn't crazy enough already... we decided to throw a move into the mix. :crazy:
It's just a short hop across town, but still a lot of work.
So if I'm not online much, you'll know why. And if you do catch me here too often, tell me to log off and pack some boxes! ;)

Brenda,
I'd love to make a quick Disney run on Monday and say hello. Maybe grab lunch? We could chat cruise and/or commiserate about senior nonsense. I hit that $55 send button more times than I want to think about this weekend, and my mind is mush from trying to help edit application and scholarship essays.

BTW, senior night for us is tomorrow. Our football team is undeafeated and was just ranked #1 in the county, so it should be quite the party! Except when I was helping get things organized I noticed there was a huge disparity in the length of the profiles (the kids submitted their own info) and DD's is so short, I think we're going to have to run across the field when she's presented. :rotfl:
 
Hi everyone!

Well, I think I've done too much "helping out" these past 2 weeks. I came down with a bad cold and have been laying on the couch since Sunday. Today was my first day out. I'm much better now.

Our cap and gown are free (or should I say included in the $75 graduation fee). We order on Friday. I'm not ordering announcements.

Senior night for us was fun even though it was pouring rain and windy. Some of the kids and the director were teary. That made me teary!

Jim, Kelly, and I are going to see "rain" tonight. It is a tribute to the Beatles. Kelly is absolutely obsessed with the Beatles!!

59 more days!

Judy
 
I have a couple ideas that the government could do to totally help our economy~I am not an economist by far, but I really feel these ideas could help~Aisling, run these by Chad and see what he thinks for me please...


First: Invest back into every neighborhood by offering small businesses their first two years tax free, say up to $250,000 cap on their net profit. Most new businesses don't profit til their third year if they even get past the first. Giving them one less (taxes can be a HUGE headache) headache to worry about. Si capiche? Bottom line, lotsa new businesses could stimulate the economy.

Second: All those people who financed houses at a larger than what its worth now amount should be given some kind of reprieve. The money being given to the banks should be used as a base to offer folks new mortgages based on the value their home is now, also based on their ability to pay the current mortgage amount and rate offered. Folks should only be offered an amount the borrower is ABLE to pay back.

For example: If a family has $100,000 in debt, a previously $500,000 house currently valued at $2 or $300,000 would qualify most folks to be able to re-finance and cover their debts without going into bankruptcy. My thinking is it would put money back into the economy by paying off their debts AND by eliminating debts people would have more leftover at the end of a paycheck and have more to spend which would also stimulate the economy.

The banks would now profit off the new valued mortgage since the government gave the banks the money to cover the old uncollectible debts. The $100,000 debt is not counting the old mortgage cause in my plan the old, valued to high mortgage, would be written off. The trade off is based on the homeowner's ability to sign for a new mortgage on the current value of the house at a more reasonable rate.

clear as mud?

I'm off my soapbox now~


and still writing in my vote for Mickey Mouse on Tuesday

::yes:: :upsidedow

OK my .02 cents. There are those of us that DIDN'T over buy on a house when we could not afford it and why aren't we getting any bailout benefit. The last 2 years have sucked for us being self employed and we have drained our saving and used our credit, why can't we have a bailout. People that over spent on a house that they couldn't afford shouldn't be my tax problem in years to come (and for sure my friend the middle class will pay for this bailout). Sorry folks, IMHO, foreclosure is a lesson that some people learn to not make stupid over buying choices in the future. I'm not feeling sorry for people that over bought these days :sad2:
 
At this point I am more worried about the future and our economy than how stupid people are. The personal business thing IMO should benefit people like you and Paul. Maybe edit it to say for the next two years, notsomuch for "your" first two years, that small independant business should get a serious tax break. Small business owners really do run the heart of our economy.

Folks who overmortgaged, again IMHO, are half at fault and the banks are the other half. We have friends who have complained that when they went for a mortgage (maybe two years ago) and the banks tried to "give" them waaaaay too much money. Our friend wanted to mortgage 150,000 and the bank was like - we'll give you $500,000 and you can use it any way you want. He took the 150. He was smart. Tons of other people took the 500 and are now broke or bankrupt. The banks are getting the money anyway, why not use it to make good on what is half their fault.
 
OK my .02 cents. There are those of us that DIDN'T over buy on a house when we could not afford it and why aren't we getting any bailout benefit. The last 2 years have sucked for us being self employed and we have drained our saving and used our credit, why can't we have a bailout. People that over spent on a house that they couldn't afford shouldn't be my tax problem in years to come (and for sure my friend the middle class will pay for this bailout). Sorry folks, IMHO, foreclosure is a lesson that some people learn to not make stupid over buying choices in the future. I'm not feeling sorry for people that over bought these days :sad2:

Amen

We don't have the credit mess you guys do. Our banks are a little tighter with their lending. We can't get 100% property value mortgages and they have recently done away with 40 year terms.
 
Folks who overmortgaged, again IMHO, are half at fault and the banks are the other half. We have friends who have complained that when they went for a mortgage (maybe two years ago) and the banks tried to "give" them waaaaay too much money. Our friend wanted to mortgage 150,000 and the bank was like - we'll give you $500,000 and you can use it any way you want. He took the 150. He was smart. Tons of other people took the 500 and are now broke or bankrupt. The banks are getting the money anyway, why not use it to make good on what is half their fault.

I feel for the mortgage situation people.
But, when we applied for our $200,000 mortage 10 years ago, even then the bank tried to get us to only put down 10% with a low 2 year locked in subprime mortgage payment, to balloon after that. We said no, and stuck to it. We put down 30%, and have a comfortable $1600 monthly mortage on a house that's now worth $450,000.

My neighbor, who bought last year and couldn't afford the going $400,000s got one of those low interest, low down payment loans, and now the bank is calling in the prime payments. He is desperate. He may lose his house, but it was his choice.

I taught my kids DONT BUY IT IF YOU CANT AFFORD IT, and I'm a good example of how to let credit cards can get maxed, so I don't want them to be like me. But I'm not $400,000 in debt as my neighbors are with their house. It's very sad.

Tig, you have a good idea, and I'll pass it on to Chad, but it is discouraging for those who have sacrificed and bought what they could afford.

I mentioned on another post that Mel's company is sweating an Obama administration, because they make over $2.5 million a year with 19 employees, all with excellent salaries and benefits. This man worked himself to the bone to make this business succeed, and is rewarding his workers accordingly. Now he may be taxed because of his company's gross income. The rich to give to the needy. Well, Mel's salary may go down, we may lose benefits, and/ot some employees may have to be laid off. NOT a good thing when these people work hard, even on weekends, to make this small business a success.

Obama made a comment today "Next John McCain will criticize me for sharing my toys in kindergarten." There's no sharing going on. It's taking away from some to give to others. What lesson is this to our kids? I tell them if you want to be wealthy, make your own wealth. Don't depend on the govt to hand it to you at the expense of others. There is oppportunity for everyone here in America. It may involve relocating, schooling, networking, working your way up, taking two jobs, going into another field, mopping floors for a while, whatever, but its there.

I say this because I'm afraid that what most of my friends/family have worked so hard for will be unfairly taxed. These aren't millionnaires, but they're over the $250,000 cutoff, so they will be hurt. This isn't all profit, it's payroll and business-running expenses.

Even my auto mechanic wh0se business makes $300,000 a year says he'll either have to let one employee go, or move to a smaller home. Why should he have to move to a smaller home when he worked 7 days a week to afford the large one he has?

I'm worried, and I'll re-read your idea, Tig, because I'm hoping to see some brightness in our personal financial futures. Thank you sincerely for posting your ideas.:hug:
 
At this point I am more worried about the future and our economy than how stupid people are. The personal business thing IMO should benefit people like you and Paul. Maybe edit it to say for the next two years, notsomuch for "your" first two years, that small independant business should get a serious tax break. Small business owners really do run the heart of our economy.

Folks who overmortgaged, again IMHO, are half at fault and the banks are the other half. We have friends who have complained that when they went for a mortgage (maybe two years ago) and the banks tried to "give" them waaaaay too much money. Our friend wanted to mortgage 150,000 and the bank was like - we'll give you $500,000 and you can use it any way you want. He took the 150. He was smart. Tons of other people took the 500 and are now broke or bankrupt. The banks are getting the money anyway, why not use it to make good on what is half their fault.

Stupid is as stupid does (so says Forest Gump)

You can't fix money problems for people by throwing money at them (so say Dr. Phil)

Sorry I'm not willing to cut the slack for those that claim they were mislead from the banks. The benefit of homeownership also had risks. You can't have it both ways, otherwise the whole real estate concept as investment wouldn't work, would it?

Small business owners that employee people do help the economy, Paul and I are self-employed and we won't ever grow what we do to include employees because it is WAY to much headache to be worth the gain. I'm fine paying my taxes, not looking for a break, just not looking to bail out those that are stupid. That just makes me mad :mad:
 
Again IMHO, I don't think the government should be bailing anyone out. What I really don't want to see is the government give money to already bankrupt institutions and have it pissed away cause nobody knew what to do with it. I don't agree with Obama taxing the "rich" to take care of the masses and I don't agree with McCain taxing medical benefits as part of a person's income.

I do know for a fact that I am fighting 500,000 people for 19,000 jobs.

Outsourcing jobs to other countries and the cost of the war is killing our economy. Until the US amends these situations, the money that could be stimulating our economy is gonna continue to be pissed away in the wind~
 
I can agree that the govt should stop the bail outs.

I'm trying to get my head around the number for the jobs.

Are you saying there are 500,000 people trying to get 19,000 jobs? Each of those jobs have qualifications and you either meet them or you don't so I do get that a job is hard to find but how can 500K people be qualified for 19K jobs? Help me understand this as I'm lost. I know at another time of high unemployment (early 90's) I was trying against 2000 applicants for 1 position, is this more what you are talking about? By the way I was a #2 person, I didn't get that job way back then and I ended up having to take a crappy job with a big commute for 1 1/2 years at a cut in pay to remain employed and sadly to pay that mortgage that I couldn't afford, but never defaulted on. (a bit bitter ::yes::

I won't talk war feelings here, other than to say that I want our troops to be safe and there is a dollar cost to that.

As to overseas jobs, ha. The last 4 software companies that I've had as clients out sourced overseas. I don't agree with overseas outsourcing either, but because of it I and a staff of execs and sales and marketing were employed. I'd rather work for domestic software companies but I needed to work, so what ya gonna do?:confused3 :sad2:
 
I'm trying to get my head around the number for the jobs.

The job forum I was on all day yesterday listed how many people were currently signed on and how many jobs the site had available.

Mass Layoffs Summary
Technical information: (202) 691-6392 USDL 08-1146
http://www.bls.gov/mls/
For release: 10:00 A.M. (EDT)
Media contact: (202) 691-5902 Friday, August 15, 2008


EXTENDED MASS LAYOFFS IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2008


In the second quarter of 2008, employers initiated 1,534 mass
layoff events that resulted in the separation of 299,886 workers from
their jobs for at least 31 days, according to preliminary figures
released by the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Both layoff events and separations reached their highest levels for
the second quarter since 2003.
 
They must think our area is one of the new 'hot' spots - Sen. Joe Biden is coming to the high school arena tomorrow afternoon
 
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