Not sure if I’ve gone crazy

[VGCgroupie]

I might have explained that poorly. I would like to buy some points there. Not a lot, due to the restrictions. Almost surely resale. So maybe enough for four or five nights a year, no more than that. I’m just trying to get a sense of how to gauge when VDH is getting sort of toward the bottom of its drop. I don’t think we’re there yet. But I’m not sure how close we are. The California economy… With its locals that go to Disneyland… Is a very different economy than Florida. I’m trying to figure out what to factor in.

Oh I see. It’s for sure not bottomed out, there’s not often resales for VDH yet which plays a big part. I’d say maybe 2 years would be a better time to buy resale cost wise but then again you miss out on 2 years worth of vacations to save only some money up front. Will be interesting to see how many hit the market after dues hit.

 

[Girlstar30]

I think there was a guess but I don’t remember seeing any concrete info saying yes for sure. Many thought Pixar would be converted but it can’t be.

Why cant Pixar be converted So they cant add a dvc wing there or convert some hotel rooms? We really liked that hotel

 

[Girlstar30]

The things hurting VDH are ToT, restrictions and longer walk to the park. Those are three big negatives imo. It will never be the price of vgc.

But it has the nostalgia of Disneyland hotel, the awesome new room layout and only has one other hotel to compete with. For me that puts it between riv and vgc resale prices. I think 160 is about right with Poly and VGF

 

[VGCgroupie]

Why cant Pixar be converted So they cant add a dvc wing there or convert some hotel rooms? We really liked that hotel

Something about the land it’s on IIRC

 

[Girlstar30]

Something about the land it’s on IIRC

California really screwed them. I wonder if it was worth it for them to not make the deal with the city and have to add ToT. It def is slowing down sales

 

[Wedgeout]

A whole lot of elements were involved with that TOT decision & city agreements made to get that tower. Everything done at that resort is like playing a giant game of jenga, keeping everything stable with each player involved.

Honestly, I don’t think they care about sales since Aulani entered the scene. Sell out the points fast or slow…It doesn’t matter. They have a resort hotel to book out and make profits while buyers chip away at the point total until eventually having the club members paying for most of its operations & upkeep. An expiration date comes & they are gifted it all back for free.

 

[atthebeachclub]

So question here, I've been charting resale at VDH. It's mostly moving in one direction--down. Similar to RIV a couple years aback. RIV has settled mostly at the low end at around $110 to $115 in terms of asking price. Where do people think resale VDH will settle per point? West Coast is a different market than FL. Also there are far fewer contracts at VDH (due to size of building and declarations) than RIV.

I don't know what pricing will do long term on VDH, which is why I made sure my contracts aren't too big there, in case in some distant future I do need to offload them (hopefully never). Disneyland is interesting because there are so few on site hotels and so many good neighbor hotels outside the bubble, some of which are not expensive. But those hotel alternatives are not in the bubble, and the last time I went to Anaheim and was outside the bubble (for a convention), I ran into a lot of less than savory stuff. So the bubble has some value. And Disneyland Hotel and Pixar Pier are crazy expensive to stay at.

Additionally, there are many cute/somewhat inexpensive motels nearby, such as Candy Cane Inn. These places are great, but I honestly wonder how long until some of this gets resold and old motels get torn down and other things replace them, or new expensive hotels with ToT replace them. And then VDH starts looking even better. Will this happen? I don't know. But last time I was there, some of the lodging outside the parks was very long in the tooth.

Long term, who knows what the resale value will be (because the restrictions DO suck), but I think the usage value for owners will be there.

 

[Lumpy1106]

I don't know what pricing will do long term on VDH, which is why I made sure my contracts aren't too big there, in case in some distant future I do need to offload them (hopefully never). Disneyland is interesting because there are so few on site hotels and so many good neighbor hotels outside the bubble, some of which are not expensive. But those hotel alternatives are not in the bubble, and the last time I went to Anaheim and was outside the bubble (for a convention), I ran into a lot of less than savory stuff. So the bubble has some value. And Disneyland Hotel and Pixar Pier are crazy expensive to stay at.

Additionally, there are many cute/somewhat inexpensive motels nearby, such as Candy Cane Inn. These places are great, but I honestly wonder how long until some of this gets resold and old motels get torn down and other things replace them, or new expensive hotels with ToT replace them. And then VDH starts looking even better. Will this happen? I don't know. But last time I was there, some of the lodging outside the parks was very long in the tooth.

Long term, who knows what the resale value will be (because the restrictions DO suck), but I think the usage value for owners will be there.

Disney owns a lot more property along that side than you might think. They've been chipping away at it for decades. The days are numbered on those properties for sure.

 

[AstroBlasters]

They can't build "timeshare only" at DL - the City of Anaheim won't allow it (or at least they didn't when they ended up building the DLH tower instead). DLH is weird in that you have to pay the tax per point when you stay there - makes it cost a lot more than staying at the other DVCs. I would not own there. YMMV

This is not correct. Disneyland Forward absolutely allows for new Disney timeshares. Disney will likely never build a hotel that is not at least mixed use timeshare ever again in the US.

You also pay a tax when you stay in any other hotel there… and higher that at VDH.

 

[Lumpy1106]

This is not correct. Disneyland Forward absolutely allows for new Disney timeshares. Disney will likely never build a hotel that is not at least mixed use timeshare ever again in the US.

You also pay a tax when you stay in any other hotel there… and higher that at VDH.

You are comparing DVC to a cash hotel stay. You need to compare to GCV. You pay an additional $3/point for a stay at DHV that you do not at GCV. Actually, you are kindof right - you pay the ToT at GCV also but it's included in your dues (as is parking? Not sure, it is in the WDW DVCs). If GCV dues were $3 more than DHV, OK, noted...but they are not. In fact, DHV dues are higher than GCV.

Disneyland Forward is a concept, the City of Anaheim gets veto power - and that's what they did prior to DHV being built. Disney wanted to build a DVC only tower where Rainforest Cafe was. Anaheim vetoed it, DHV got built instead.

 

[VGCgroupie]

You are comparing DVC to a cash hotel stay. You need to compare to GCV. You pay an additional $3/point for a stay at DHV that you do not at GCV. Actually, you are kindof right - you pay the ToT at GCV also but it's included in your dues (as is parking? Not sure, it is in the WDW DVCs). If GCV dues were $3 more than DHV, OK, noted...but they are not. In fact, DHV dues are higher than GCV.

Disneyland Forward is a concept, the City of Anaheim gets veto power - and that's what they did prior to DHV being built. Disney wanted to build a DVC only tower where Rainforest Cafe was. Anaheim vetoed it, DHV got built instead.

Of course compared to a cash hotel stay why wouldn't it be?

First, VGC is very hard to book. So it can be stay cash, stay VDH or don't stay at all. Thats how hard it is to book.

Second, VDH has a very reasonable point chart compared to VGC many times of the year, points are money so you have to factor that in. Often the TOT you pay is actually much less than simply the dues for the extra VGC points for the room, let alone when you factor in the higher buy in cost.

 

[Wedgeout]

The difference with the Rainforest Cafe area project, it was never approved by Anaheim in the first place. Political turmoil killed it.

The Disney Forward project submitted so far has all been approved by Anaheim. Not going to get any veto.

We will see another new Disneyland resort, including a DVC element, in the future of this project.

 

[disneylandtour]

You are comparing DVC to a cash hotel stay. You need to compare to GCV. You pay an additional $3/point for a stay at DHV that you do not at GCV. Actually, you are kindof right - you pay the ToT at GCV also but it's included in your dues (as is parking? Not sure, it is in the WDW DVCs). If GCV dues were $3 more than DHV, OK, noted...but they are not. In fact, DHV dues are higher than GCV.

Disneyland Forward is a concept, the City of Anaheim gets veto power - and that's what they did prior to DHV being built. Disney wanted to build a DVC only tower where Rainforest Cafe was. Anaheim vetoed it, DHV got built instead.

A couple of quick things - that 700 room hotel (back in 2018) as far as I know, wasn't a DVC tower, it was a very spread out hotel with four wings. One area would reach eight stories. But visually this didn't fit the model of the new Florida towers. See: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/d...st/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20231217180619

Also, this was announced as a luxury hotel for general guests (i.e. people in southern California with high incomes). Maybe there could've been a DVC area in it. But I don't recall that ever officially being discussed. It also had a covered bridge directly to the monorail station. The best comparison, I think, is the Contemporary, with its central building, its wings, and its monorail access.

Also, unless things have changed recently, if you book with points, VDH has free parking for two vehicles per room.

 

[AstroBlasters]

You are comparing DVC to a cash hotel stay. You need to compare to GCV. You pay an additional $3/point for a stay at DHV that you do not at GCV. Actually, you are kindof right - you pay the ToT at GCV also but it's included in your dues (as is parking? Not sure, it is in the WDW DVCs). If GCV dues were $3 more than DHV, OK, noted...but they are not. In fact, DHV dues are higher than GCV.

Disneyland Forward is a concept, the City of Anaheim gets veto power - and that's what they did prior to DHV being built. Disney wanted to build a DVC only tower where Rainforest Cafe was. Anaheim vetoed it, DHV got built instead.

Disneyland Forward was a change in zoning rules, which has already occurred and now Disney can build things that they couldn’t before…. including new hotels/timeshares and more theme parks.

If I want to plan a stay within 7m at DLand because of a meeting in LA then my options are VDH (large studio inventory) or a cash hotel…. VGC is not a pratical
option. The WDW properties based in FL inside of a city that essentially encompasses only Disney assets don’t really apply either.

In addition to a larger overall inventory, there are times of year where the point chart at VDH is dramatically lower than at VGC.

This is why we own at both VGC and VDH. I own a lot MORE of VGC…. but I believe I will get good use out of the VDH.