Not impressed with the current fastpass system

[mesaboy2]

Gotta another crazy idea. Crazy I say.

I'm going to arrive at MK a few minutes early one day in a couple of weeks. The park doesn't open until 9:00a--it's printed absolutely everywhere--but I'm going to arrive about 8:30a or so. If the CMs start letting us in before 9:00a eek, and everyone else starts going in, would it be okay with you if I did too? I mean, I don't want to potentially upset anyone here if I do this. After all, your opinions are ultimately what matter to me. Just to be clear, understand I will be ahead of others who arrived legally at 9:00a and now have to wait behind me.

I just wanted to check with all of you first, because I know how many here are so concerned with printed rules. Like the Dude, CMs and actual day-to-day operations must abide.

Please?

Pretty please?

Oh, darn.

 

[mom2rtk]

Gotta another crazy idea. Crazy I say.

I'm going to arrive at MK a few minutes early one day in a couple of weeks. The park doesn't open until 9:00a--it's printed absolutely everywhere--but I'm going to arrive about 8:30a or so. If the CMs start letting us in before 9:00a eek, and everyone else starts going in, would it be okay with you if I did too? I mean, I don't want to potentially upset anyone here if I do this. After all, your opinions are ultimately what matter to me. Just to be clear, understand I will be ahead of others who arrived legally at 9:00a and now have to wait behind me.

I just wanted to check with all of you first, because I know how many here are so concerned with printed rules. Like the Dude, CMs and actual day-to-day operations must abide.

Please?

Pretty please?

Oh, darn.

But nobody answered yet. You make it sound like you know their answer already.

And when you go to Epcot..... if you find Soarin open at 10 PM despite an earlier posted closing time, and CM's are inviting you in to ride...... you better post on your smartphone here for permission first.

 

[mesaboy2]

But nobody answered yet. You make it sound like you know their answer already.

And when you go to Epcot..... if you find Soarin open at 10 PM despite an earlier posted closing time, and CM's are inviting you in to ride...... you better post on your smartphone here for permission first.

But based on whatever semblance of logic in the argument I see, I do know their answer. I can't selectively choose when to listen to CMs, I must abide to the written rules at all times.

Good point, the Land Pavilion after 9:00p is another recent little-known perk I absolutely did plan to abuse, ahem, I mean take advantage of, ahem, I mean do. It's apparently not printed ANYWHERE! Double !

C'mon everyone, please? Is that okay?

ETA: Thirty minutes of crickets--just what I thought. In just three more posts, these excellent points will fade into oblivion by not being on the last page of a long thread, and we can all go back to pretending they were never made.

 

[stashbin]

But based on whatever semblance of logic in the argument I see, I do know their answer. I can't selectively choose when to listen to CMs, I must abide to the written rules at all times.

Good point, the Land Pavilion after 9:00p is another recent little-known perk I absolutely did plan to abuse, ahem, I mean take advantage of, ahem, I mean do. It's apparently not printed ANYWHERE! Double !

C'mon everyone, please? Is that okay?

ETA: Thirty minutes of crickets--just what I thought. In just three more posts, these excellent points will fade into oblivion by not being on the last page of a long thread, and we can all go back to pretending they were never made.

I'll bite...
When you are being told by a CM to "come on in"...that is fine. But the CM's are now saying "you can't come on in after your allotted time" and some people have their panties in a wad over it. For those of us who have always abided by the rules of FP (whether because we are rule followers or just were ignorant of the fact the system could be bent) are not affected by this change. We are actually glad that we might have a chance to get FP's for times we normally could not due to people getting them way before they actually intended to use them.
So your sarcasm doesn't bother me at all. In fact, see how well that sarcasm works for you when you are trying to break the FP system now!

 

[UNCFanatik]

LOL! I better email snopes and have them add this to the urban legend. I love how this story has morphed into people taking fastpasses they never even intended to use. I guess since they spent no time waiting in line for rides, they had nothing better to do than criss cross the park collecting something they knew they wouldn't use. Cuz that would be a great use of time.

Your point might have some validity if not for that recent thread where people talked about collecting FPs as souvenirs.

 

[stashbin]

But nobody answered yet. You make it sound like you know their answer already.

And when you go to Epcot..... if you find Soarin open at 10 PM despite an earlier posted closing time, and CM's are inviting you in to ride...... you better post on your smartphone here for permission first.

What??? The issue is about FP...not a CM allowing you to ride past the closing time.

Really...some people can't wait to use sarcasm. I guess it makes you feel smart.

 

[mesaboy2]

I'll bite...
When you are being told by a CM to "come on in"...that is fine. But the CM's are now saying "you can't come on in after your allotted time" and some people have their panties in a wad over it. For those of us who have always abided by the rules of FP (whether because we are rule followers or just were ignorant of the fact the system could be bent) are not affected by this change. We are actually glad that we might have a chance to get FP's for times we normally could not due to people getting them way before they actually intended to use them.
So your sarcasm doesn't bother me at all. In fact, see how well that sarcasm works for you when you are trying to break the FP system now!

I did not then and do not now try to break the "system". I considered all facets of the "system", written and verbal, and came up with what I considered to be inside the rules. Clearly, the situation has changed and that is fine. But from my point-of-view, this is a tightening of the "rules" and therefore less user-friendly to use. Those who never did this for whatever reason are of course unaffected.

Thank you for humoring me.

What??? The issue is about FP...not a CM allowing you to ride past the closing time.

Really...some people can't wait to use sarcasm. I guess it makes you feel smart.

The Land Pavilion has been open until 10:00p most every night since TT closed. This is not advertised. I don't believe it is printed anywhere. But CMs will tell you when asked that you can go in, ride Soarin', Living With the Land, whatever. Very weird I know, but it demonstrates my point very well. It is completely "allowed", but not written.

This is not a case of the Land being open past park close at 9:00p and the CMs there being nice, it is that the Land is actually open until 10:00p. CMs are not "bending" any rules here, they are following policy that just happens to not be published anywhere. Does that make sense?

So trying to boil it down, why can I enter a park early or go into the Land after 9:00p when CMs tell me so (but no written rules do) but I couldn't use a FP late?

 

[stashbin]

I did not then and do not now try to break the "system". I considered all facets of the "system", written and verbal, and came up with what I considered to be inside the rules. Clearly, the situation has changed and that is fine. But from my point-of-view, this is a tightening of the "rules" and therefore less user-friendly to use. Those who never did this for whatever reason are of course unaffected.

Thank you for humoring me.



The Land Pavilion has been open until 10:00p most every night since TT closed. This is not advertised. I don't believe it is printed anywhere. But CMs will tell you when asked that you can go in, ride Soarin', Living With the Land, whatever. Very weird I know, but it demonstrates my point very well. It is completely "allowed", but not written.

This is not a case of the Land being open past park close at 9:00p and the CMs there being nice, it is that the Land is actually open until 10:00p. CMs are not "bending" any rules here, they are following policy that just happens to not be published anywhere. Does that make sense?

So trying to boil it down, why can I enter a park early or go into the Land after 9:00p when CMs tell me so (but no written rules do) but I couldn't use a FP late?

Well because of exactly what you just said...they are enforcing the rules now.

 

[WillAustin]

When we are there in a few weeks, if we have any timing issues with FP's I'll be either trading our earlier FPs for later return times or counting on them to deal with situations on a case by case basis (i.e. ADR running really late or an unreasonably long FP line). I'm pretty sure we won't have any trouble and will still use as many FPs as we did last year.

I'm interested in seeing if it's still possible through diligent monitoring of return times and trading to have 5 or more sets of FPs to use in the evening. We are doing some extra days this trip, so I want to experiment and see how that works out. Should be fun.

 

[mesaboy2]

Well because of exactly what you just said...they are enforcing the rules now.

All due respect, but that does not answer my question.

ETA: My question related to before March 7, not now.

 

[KellyNY]

I did not then and do not now try to break the "system". I considered all facets of the "system", written and verbal, and came up with what I considered to be inside the rules. Clearly, the situation has changed and that is fine. But from my point-of-view, this is a tightening of the "rules" and therefore less user-friendly to use. Those who never did this for whatever reason are of course unaffected.

Thank you for humoring me.



The Land Pavilion has been open until 10:00p most every night since TT closed. This is not advertised. I don't believe it is printed anywhere. But CMs will tell you when asked that you can go in, ride Soarin', Living With the Land, whatever. Very weird I know, but it demonstrates my point very well. It is completely "allowed", but not written.

This is not a case of the Land being open past park close at 9:00p and the CMs there being nice, it is that the Land is actually open until 10:00p. CMs are not "bending" any rules here, they are following policy that just happens to not be published anywhere. Does that make sense?

So trying to boil it down, why can I enter a park early or go into the Land after 9:00p when CMs tell me so (but no written rules do) but I couldn't use a FP late?

Somehow in all your careful consideration of all facets of the system, you missed one little point, "allowed" is not the the same as "encouraged". Yes, you were allowed on a ride IF you missed the window and this is actually how they worded it on Operational Reminder or whatever a mistery document is called. "IF" is a key. They still expected you to come during return time and this is why it was printed. People found loophole and used it, that is all.

Any more analogies btw? Any of them related to FP, at all? How about stores at night analogy or driving above speed limit, or tax returns... Did I cover all of them or not? Are any of them related to FP? Not at all, but so much fun and .

 

[Victoria3]

Before the rule change I heard numerous cast members announce to guest at the fp machines that they can use their fps after the one hour window.

 

[WillAustin]

Somehow in all your careful consideration of all facets of the system, you missed one little point, "allowed" is not the the same as "encouraged".

As I know you've probably read more times than you wanted to, I personally was "encouraged" to use FPs outside the window by several CMs over multiple trips. It again goes back to the old tired argument of theory vs. reality.

The reality was that they were more than happy to let you return outside the window before March 7th. And as you reminded me in the past, you have no information behind the intent of that allowance or the reasons for it being changed.

 

[goofyernmost]

But based on whatever semblance of logic in the argument....

The logic in this discussion left ages ago. The reason? Folks tend to read the first few words in someones post and react to it with foolish arguments that don't even exist.

The just of Fastpass (current) is that regardless of what what allowed, encouraged, bypassed or ignored in the past, it is no longer the way it is. People have made the simple statement that they didn't know about the ability to extend the window so they went by the rules that they thought was expected and so the new rules are really not new to them.

I know this is happening because in spite of repeatedly saying that I USED THE EXTENDED allowance many times myself was included in those that felt that others were saying they were rule breakers for doing so. I have not for ages now, seen anyone that "toned" their post in a manner that implied that others were not doing what was allowed, it has mostly been to counter the constant complaint because it is no longer going to be allowed that gets to the point of insanity. I would be shocked if you ever saw it the old way again. That means we should be exchanging ideas on how to make the NEW old system work for all. The finger pointing and false belief that anyone is putting them down for doing something that Disney allowed to happen is verging on intense paranoia and getting no one anyplace.

With that I will leave this dead end discussion. Thanks for the entertainment.

 

[KellyNY]

As I know you've probably read more times than you wanted to, I personally was "encouraged" to use FPs outside the window by several CMs over multiple trips. It again goes back to the old tired argument of theory vs. reality.

The reality was that they were more than happy to let you return outside the window before March 7th. And as you reminded me in the past, you have no information behind the intent of that allowance or the reasons for it being changed.

Will, no disrespect at all, but I do not know what you heard and if they wanted to encourage people all they had to do is to take window away from FP and you know they never did it. Read the poster right above yor post, CM let people know that they could return later, CM did not say to disregard return time, huge difference.

And I do not claim anything that is not in writting, that is all.

 

[mesaboy2]

I am willing to discuss with anyone with a sensible counter-argument. Therefore I expect this is my last post in this thread.

 

[WillAustin]

Will, no disrespect at all, but I do not know what you heard and if they wanted to encourage people all they had to do is to take window away from FP and you know they never did it. Read the poster right above yor post, CM let people know that they could return later, CM did not say to disregard return time, huge difference.

And I do not claim anything that is not in writting, that is all.

Several CMs told me, verbatim, "Fastpasses are good until the park closes," and, "it doesn't matter when you come back as long as it's after the first time listed." Seemed clear enough to me. They never once told us, "we'll let you in, but try to come back during the window."

For me personally, it didn't make sense to ignore what they told me.

Just my personal experience.

 

[mjp12831]

I am willing to discuss with anyone with a sensible counter-argument. Therefore I expect this is my last post in this thread.

LOL

I made this point earlier (to those of you accusing late FP users of being rule breakers)....

How many of you go to your WDW resort prior to 3:00 check in time and ask if your room is ready?

Policy is not always written - it's also what is generally accepted.

 

[KellyNY]

Several CMs told me, verbatim, "Fastpasses are good until the park closes," and, "it doesn't matter when you come back as long as it's after the first time listed." Seemed clear enough to me. They never once told us, "we'll let you in, but try to come back during the window."

For me personally, it didn't make sense to ignore what they told me.

Just my personal experience.

And someone else had different experiences. People say it differently, people understand it differently, this is why we have writting. Even Operational Reminder was in writting for CMs eyes, not ours, but in writting. And it does include "IF" statement.

 

[Bob NC]

I am willing to discuss with anyone with a sensible counter-argument. Therefore I expect this is my last post in this thread.

I'm kind of confused about what the argument and counter arguments are.

There is a Fast Pass system.

Up until recently Disney allowed people to use Fast Passes past their printed parameters.

Now they have stopped allowing this.

What is the argument?