Not impressed with the current fastpass system

[donaldlovesdaisy]

What about the huge number of loyal Disney guests who live within driving distance?

Should they be abandoned?

No and I think that there should be something in place for them also.

 

[KellyNY]

I think they will increase the number of FPs they give out. If not there won't be enough available in-park to make it worthwhile. I'm definitely expecting the standby line to be affected.

Those people that don't participate in the advance reservations for whatever reason (stay off-site, not in a deluxe resort, won't pay extra, can't get the time they wanted, etc.) will have even less of a reasonable chance at getting a FP in the park.

Nobody closed SB.

 

[WillAustin]

Nobody closed SB.

For us, anything over a 20 minute standby line might as well be closed.

 

[KellyNY]

For us, anything over a 20 minute standby line might as well be closed.

That is not exactly Disneys problem, is it?

 

[Robo]

I am not making any assumptions at all, I just pointing simple facts, that is all.

1- You pointed out that SB wait times will icrease,

2- I just showing that it is simply not possible with the same number of rides per hour.

3- No assumptions, regardless of FP numbers increased or not,

4- besides the point. Just simple fact #1.

5- As for increasing FP numbers, we do not have information to say if they need to increase it or not. Do we actually know that current number is not enough? It is just a speculation. And this is a simple fact #2.

1- Yes, I did. And, I'm not backing away from that.

3 & 4- If they increase the number of FP's in the park, the standby waits must be affected (made longer.)
That is, unless fewer guests decide to enter the Standby line,
which is also an affect the new FP's can have on the Standby lines.

3- But, I, myself AM making assumptions, and have said as much.

5- That IS my assumption (again.)

And (again) if you don't think that they will increase the number of FP's,
and that Standby lines will remain unaffected, that's just fine.
That's YOUR speculation.

We disagree on "speculation."

It's a point that will become clear when the system is in use.

 

[kaligal]

What about the huge number of loyal Disney guests who live within driving distance?

Should they be abandoned?

When Uni switched to their FOTL thing and took out the EP machines, forcing people who didn't stay in their hotels to pay up for short lines or wait in long ones, I always felt badly for the locals.

That sucks.

But I think it is exactly what Disney will do. I don't know, of course. They may not even sell them.

But I was convinced, right from the start of YOAMD, that Disney was trying to figure out a way to make Uni's system work for them.

No, I don't think locals should be abandoned. There should be some FP privileges for Florida Residents.

 

[WillAustin]

That is not exactly Disneys problem, is it?

In the big picture it is. Whether the standby line is 30, 60, or 90 minutes now, it will be longer under the new system. I don't think they can just take a chunk of the current FP line and make that available for advance reservations without running out in the parks before noon every day. I also don't think they can count on every advance reservation to be one less person that would grab an in-park FP.

I don't see them being able to offer the new FP system to everyone, unless they significantly negatively affect the standby lines, which are already unwieldy during the busiest times.

No matter what they do with the new system, it's going to negatively affect some group of people, whether it's making standby lines longer, or having less FPs available in the park.

For us, it won't really matter because I'll do whatever I need to make sure we take advantage of whatever system is in place. If that means paying extra, staying deluxe, arriving before rope drop, planning our rides 6 months ahead, whatever, we'll do it.

I will add that if we ended up having to regularly wait longer that I'd like to, we would certainly stop coming to WDW for our vacations. I can't be the only one.

 

[palmettostatemom]

What about the huge number of loyal Disney guests who live within driving distance?

Should they be abandoned?

Or the loyal Disney guests that have had more than ______ visits? Or guests visiting for the first time (to make an impression)? Or those celebrating birthdays? Anniversaries? I think if they start prioritizing, it would get out of hand.

 

[palmettostatemom]

For us, anything over a 20 minute standby line might as well be closed.

you ARE kidding, right??

 

[Robo]

Or the loyal Disney guests that have had more than ______ visits? Or guests visiting for the first time (to make an impression)? Or those celebrating birthdays? Anniversaries?


I think if they start prioritizing, it would get out of hand.

Choosing any particular group (such as WDW Resort guests) is prioritizing.

 

[WillAustin]

you ARE kidding, right??

Actually, no I'm not. Using rope drop touring plans and FPs, we have never waited longer than 20 minutes for a ride in the past 2 years we've gone to WDW in July. We are usually out of the parks by the time the afternoon crowds are in full force, and we've never had trouble riding everything we wanted to ride.

This year we are doubling our number of park days, so I'm expecting it to be a bit more relaxed.

Edit: I think we waited 30 mins to meet Rapunzel on an EMH morning. That's the longest wait I remember.

 

[palmettostatemom]

Choosing any particular group (such as WDW Resort guests) is prioritizing.

I know? I was kind of agreeing with you....

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

Choosing any particular group (such as WDW Resort guests) is prioritizing.

Sorry but I totally do not agree with that Disney for obvious reasons encourages people to play and stay with Disney and I think that resort guest should be given little perks. I could probably spend a lot less by staying out in Kissimmee and eating meals outside the parks however we like things like EMH and bus service from the airport so should these things also be offered to non resort guest who Disney resorts are not benefiting from financially ? This might be the thing that helps keep resort guest coming back and encouraging non resort guest to give it a try.

 

[palmettostatemom]

Actually, no I'm not. Using rope drop touring plans and FPs, we have never waited longer than 20 minutes for a ride in the past 2 years we've gone to WDW in July. We are usually out of the parks by the time the afternoon crowds are in full force, and we've never had trouble riding everything we wanted to ride.

This year we are doubling our number of park days, so I'm expecting it to be a bit more relaxed.

Edit: I think we waited 30 mins to meet Rapunzel on an EMH morning. That's the longest wait I remember.

We do rope drop also & utilize FP & always ride everything we want. However, we have been on days when the crowd is much larger than any calendar anticipated for some reason (large, multiple Brazil tour groups in October being the last case) and we have waited in a standby line to ride a headliner ride again if we're not coming back to that park in the trip. Basically, if we REALLY want to ride again & the wait is not tooooo long (more than 20 mins. but not more than 45 usually, depends on the ride!) we don't discount that ride & consider it 'closed' because of the wait.

 

[pequele]

Please someone help me understand HOW the "new" FP system will increase the standby line. I am not agreeing or disagreeing, I just don't get it!

I may be totally misunderstanding it but for all intent and purpose SAY WDW only let 10,000 people MAX into the park! Ride x has 50 FP issued in hour increments just as before. Before they were supposed to return between 10-11, say 25 did and 25 came later between 3-4. Then at 10:15-11:15 25 return and 25 come later also between 3-4. Then people who were issued FP for 3-4 ALL decide to ride...now you have 100 people in the FP line at 3-4 vs the 50 they expected....to me THIS would slow down the standby line at 3-4 vs the people being able to PLAN for a max of 50 people in FP per hour increment (so what max of 200 in the FP line at a time, if they were done every 15 min as an example). I know my numbers are totally arbitrary but I'm just trying to understand the flow of people in either line. To me, more people in FP line means more people in standby which is due to slower movement b/c of letting all the FP people on and fewer people in FP means the standby line moves faster and would translate to a shorter line more than likely if it kept moving. PLEASE help me understand how limiting FPs will translate into longer standby lines when it is the standby line who will actually be able to finally GET on a ride??

 

[Robo]

I know? I was kind of agreeing with you....

Cool!

Yes, the FP system NOW (any guest arriving with a valid park ticket can choose to get any particular available FP, or not) is about as "blind fairness" as a system as can be.

Your park ticket is your FP "qualification."

 

[kaligal]

you ARE kidding, right??

I don't know about Will, but I don't get in any lime with a wait time over 20 minutes.

 

[Robo]

I don't know about Will, but I don't get in any lime with a wait time over 20 minutes.

 

[palmettostatemom]

Cool!

Yes, the FP system NOW (any guest arriving with a valid park ticket can choose to get any particular available FP, or not) is about as "blind fairness" as a system as can be.

Your park ticket is your FP "qualification."

Exactly!!

 

[palmettostatemom]

I don't know about Will, but I don't get in any lime with a wait time over 20 minutes.

different strokes!