Not Happy with WDW Part of the Trip

aubriee

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We just got back late Monday night. We were not particularly pleased with the WDW portion of our trip. Due to staying offsite at Bonnet Creek, we were not eligible for FP+ and due to having my 80 y/o mom with us, was not always able to get to the parks at rope drop. Added to that we were not able to stay in the parks all day due to her physical problems, so for the most part, the few FP- that were available were not helpful due to having late return times. Consequently we had alot of long stand by lines. We were able to get a decent return time for Soarin the one day we were able to make rope drop at Epcot though. We tried to get a DAC, but was refused. We had rented an ECV from an offsite vender for my mom, so they saw the ECV and thought that was all she needed. We tried to explain that she was a very brittle diabetic who had sudden and unexpected blood sugar drops, had problems with tight spaces, that she needed to avoid waits in the sun due to a couple of her medications, that due to her arthritis stiffness and back pain there were times she needed to get out of the ECV and walk but couldn't walk very far at a time and was unsteady on her feet, that she has had multiple eye surgeries and her eyes do not adjust quickly from bright light to dark, so she has trouble with dark queues, and that she had some mild senile dementia and would do better in a separate waiting area, as crowds cause her to become agitated and more confused. We didn't mind waiting our turn, but wanted to wait away from some of the crowds and wanted to avoid some of the convulated turns in the queues with her ECV. We tried at both MK and DS but they wouldn't listen and just said she did not qualify for a DAC.

One night we went back to MK, to see the Castle lights. The only rides we were going to do was the Jungle Cruise (to see the Christmas overlay) and Buzz. We knew at Buzz that she would have to transfer to a wheelchair and that was fine, but asked if there was anyway she could avoid the queue and if we could just wait our turn at the exit as the walkway would have to be stopped for her anyway (standby was only 5 minutes that night). They refused and made us go through the queue. Fine, not a big deal. But at Jungle Cruise the standby wait when we arrived showed 40 minutes. The CM at the wheelchair entrance showed us a return card and asked if we had one. She then proceeded to give us one with a 30 minute return time. 40 minutes standby time minus 10 minutes=30 minute return time. Fine, but we saw two rows of wheelchairs waiting in that wheelchair queue and the CM told us they only had one wheelchair boat online, so the line was alot longer than ten minutes. She then told us that some of those wheelchair guests would not be needing the wheelchair boat as they could transfer. Not sure what happened, but as we were talking and getting the 30 minute return card, the standby time suddenly changed to 20 minutes. We saw it and asked if we could get a different return card with just a 10 minute wait then. The CM told us that since she'd just given us one with a 30 minute wait, that she couldn't change it. We said fine, we'd just turn it in and get a new one then. She said that she couldn't do that either and since the standby return time when we arrived was listed at 40 minutes then we had to wait the 30 minutes, even though the standby return time changed to 20 minutes right after we got the card.:confused3 Another wheelchair party arrived right after that and had about 5 minutes left before their return time, but she wouldn't let them in line either. They said they were very frustrated and had been battling the system all week. Even though the man could transfer, it seemed like they had been waiting alot longer than the standby time all week. Another party arrived and tried to immediately get into the wheelchair queue, but was told they'd have to get a return time card like we did and wait the length of the standby minus ten minutes. At that time the standby wait was 20 minutes, so they got a card that had a 10 minute wait, which meant they got to go in before we did, even though we had been waiting longer. When I questioned the CM, she reminded me that when we had arrived the standby wait was 40 minutes, but when that party arrived it was just 20 minutes. So they got to go in before us, even though we'd been standing there waiting for our time, before they even arrived to ask for a return time card.:confused3 After thinking about it, she told us to go ahead in though. Once we got in the wheelchair queue another CM again told us they only had one wheelchair boat on line, but only two of the parties waiting needed the wheelchair boat, as the others could transfer, and since the ride took 10 minutes, it would be another 20 minutes or so before we could board. Not happy at that point, but understood. A few minutes later she came back to apologize that it would be an additional 10 minutes or so, because one of the parties that thought they'd be able to transfer had changed her mind and decided she needed the wheelchair boat afterall. So what would have been a 20 minute wait in the standby line became a wait of just over 70 minutes.:sad2:
 
Sorry to hear you had so much trouble.

I hope you contact Disney - most of the things you mention are things they need to tweak, the wheelchair return time for attractions like Jungle Cruise especially.

I think for Buzz Lightyear that they did stop any waiting at the exit. The space is just too little and it had become a blocking-the-exit issue. We had times where we could not exit with a wheelchair after our ride because the exit was blocked with ECVs.
 
Our experience was similar when we went 12-3 to 12-10. We are expanding our horizons with other vacation destinations, now. Not for everyone, but I have a new love in the Dollywood Park. We've been going for 5 years now and we visit on an average of twice a year. We will give Branson's Silver Dollar City a try next year. I'm basically done with Disney World; unless, I take a trip where I stay on site and go with an able bodied individual. My husband, who needs a scooter, will stay home with the dog and I'll get my Disney fix if I can with a friend and so forth. I can tell already off site guests are going to become second class citizens with fastpass plus even though the final product is yet to be. I did have a good run with Disney World and I will cherish my memories there, but It's time to move on for us.
 
Our experience was similar when we went 12-3 to 12-10.

We are expanding our horizons with other vacation destinations, now. Not for everyone, but I have a new love in the Dollywood Park. We've been going for 5 years now and we visit on an average of twice a year. We will give Branson's Silver City a try next year.

I'm basically done with Disney World; unless, I take a trip where I stay on site and go with an able bodied individual. My husband, who needs a scooter, will stay home with the dog and I'll get my Disney fix if I can with a friend and so forth.

I can tell already off site guests are going to become second class citizens with fastpass plus even though the final product is yet to be. I did have a good run with Disney World and I will cherish my memories there, but It's time to move on for us.

Our experience was similar, although I can transfer from an ECV with no problem. I wrote a long and detailed letter to guest communications with a copy to Tony someobody or other, VP of parks and resorts. Most. Miserable. trip. EVER. since our first one over 20 years ago.
 

aubriee - I am sorry to read of your experience:sad2:.

It's an awful thought, but do you think your party was treated differently when requesting the DAC since you were staying offsite.
 
aubriee - I am sorry to read of your experience:sad2:.

It's an awful thought, but do you think your party was treated differently when requesting the DAC since you were staying offsite.

I don't know how they would know you are not staying on site, other than not seeing a magic band or you telling them.
I think they have been drilled so much on cutting back that they saw the ECV and stopped listening. The OP said that she tried to tell them the other needs, but do any of you think that it might help a person in this situation starts with the opening line of " We have needs that the EVC will not help with. We need a DAS because ......."
I know the OP was probably frustrated and just ready for the experience to be over, but I might would have ask for a manager and see if that brought any resolve.
Sometimes you have to wait longer to board when you have a special need, that's just the nature of the beast, but to wait 70 minutes when a family that arrived long after you and only had to wait 10 is not fair.
 
I am so sorry for all the problems you had with the ECV and the wait times. I understand how hard it is with elderly parents. They do need help and considerations.

Our son has had a GAC in the past and has for years. I have been following the threads closely as we just don't feel that we can return and have a successful time at WDW as things are now.

I wrote a very long letter and got a cookie cutter reply.

I wish you happy holidays
 
aubriee - I am sorry to read of your experience:sad2:.

It's an awful thought, but do you think your party was treated differently when requesting the DAC since you were staying offsite.

I hadn't thought about it, but both times the CMs did ask us was where we were staying. They didn't make a big deal about it, but did ask.


Both times when we finally got to a CM, we immediately told them my mom had an ECV, but had medical problems the ECV did not meet and that she basically just needed a quieter place out of the sun to wait our turn.. Then as we started to explain her other needs, they just cut us off and told us that since she had an ECV she did not qualify for a DAC. GS at DS basically said DACs were for kids with autisim, not older people like my mom. She then made what I thought was a strange comment, rather sarcastically asking what rides an 80 y/o would actually ride anyway. We informed her that my mom would not be riding the coasters or ToT, but did enjoy the slower rides, games like Buzz and Toy Story, and the shows. She then just said my mom's only option was the ECV and FP-. We tried again at Epcot and was simply told the ECV was all they had for older people and she did not qualify for a DAC.
 
I don't know how they would know you are not staying on site, other than not seeing a magic band or you telling them.
I think they have been drilled so much on cutting back that they saw the ECV and stopped listening. The OP said that she tried to tell them the other needs, but do any of you think that it might help a person in this situation starts with the opening line of " We have needs that the EVC will not help with. We need a DAS because ......."
I know the OP was probably frustrated and just ready for the experience to be over, but I might would have ask for a manager and see if that brought any resolve.
Sometimes you have to wait longer to board when you have a special need, that's just the nature of the beast, but to wait 70 minutes when a family that arrived long after you and only had to wait 10 is not fair.

We were asked where we staying (when issued one on 1st day of system implementation), but at the time assumed it was idle chit-chat while determining how many days we would be there i.e. how long to issue it. Never crossed my mind there would be a different standard applied to offsite guests until reading this thread. Just wondering if the OP felt there was. I'm sure WDW would state there isn't and there is no differential treatment granted to onsite guests in the determination factor.

Some people are more persistent than others and able to express themselves better in a stressful situation. Many here have stated that 'their' person involved doesn't want to have any more undue attention drawn to them than needed. imo it would be very frustrating to be told no, despite elaborating on what is generally considered to be valid reasons 'why'.

I guarantee my family wouldn't be comfortable with interacting with yet another person to plead our case if denied after a lengthy exchange:worried: . we would muddle through that trip, but future Disney visits would be relegated to random vs several times yearly and likely would sell our DVC holdings.
 
I just don't see the point of not taking it further in the park then coming home and saying there was a problem. If you can't advocate for yourself or your party while your there, why come home and martyr yourself saying "I wrote letters because my vacation sucked so that other people can have a good time." That's nice but it didn't help your vacation. You stay calm and continue up the chain of command until you have an appropriate answer while you're there. For those who "dont want the attention", is it really any better sitting and stewing over not getting what you SHOULD be getting for the rest of the trip?
 
I just don't see the point of not taking it further in the park then coming home and saying there was a problem. If you can't advocate for yourself or your party while your there, why come home and martyr yourself saying "I wrote letters because my vacation sucked so that other people can have a good time." That's nice but it didn't help your vacation. You stay calm and continue up the chain of command until you have an appropriate answer while you're there. For those who "dont want the attention", is it really any better sitting and stewing over not getting what you SHOULD be getting for the rest of the trip?

I think this provides a heads up for those who may think it's as easy to get a DAC as a GAC. As we all learn more we will be able to perhaps do a better job getting a DAC. For now, as everyone is in this learning curve, it's not an easy task.

It seems in this case the cast members did not want to listen very well. Yes, you may be able to escalate the matter right then and there, but that requires quite an effort sometimes and sometimes this is futile anyway. I really wouldn't want to spend time escalating matters on a vacation, either. The lines at the park guest relations were awful. I went to get MVMCP tickets; so, I know. Trying to get a supervisor right at the ride may not be too easy, either.

If you know of a way to do this any better, please share.
 
I'm sorry the WDW part of the trip didn't work out.

JC is a continued issue. You can typically plan an extra 10 to 20 minutes per party in front of you, once you get in queue AFTER waiting for the return time. We were pleasantly surprised the one time that all four parties ahead of us were placed on the same boat with us! But that was the only time that happened.

The comment said to you about the 80 year old was inappropriate. And the time change and not issuing a new one was a bit bizarre too.

I also think that perhaps if you explained further what your mom would do if she became agitated and confused, what happens with sun exposure, may have possibly helped?
 
I'm starting to think that the best workaround for people in the OP's mother's situation (1. needs WC/ECV for mobility/stamina, but not 100% of the time, and 2. has needs that the DAS can help with but the WC/ECV can't) might be to go into GS without the WC/ECV and describe the other needs without mentioning the mobility/stamina ones.
 
I have a wheelchair and a DAS and I have learned to not even make reference to the chair. I tell them about everything else.

Also do not be afraid to be dramatic or even graphic (to a point) about what happens to you IN LINE. For example, you said her blood sugar was not well controlled, so explaining what could happen to her, even when sitting in the ECV, when her blood sugar drops in a long line may help. Or what happens when she becomes overwhelmed by too much stimuli in a regular queue. Be specific and dramatic if need be - just make sure it is the truth. They do not care about comfort or stamina all day or rope drop. They want to know what can happen IN THEIR LINES that is dangerous, unsafe, or generally bad. Meltdowns, tantrums (not like a toddler, like an adult with Alzheimer's), passing out. These are things which can be part of our everyday lives, but the CMs who give out the DAS cards are focused on the queues. So our explanation must focus on that as well.

I am sorry your trip was less than good. I really hope CMs get better at being helpful.
 
I have a wheelchair and a DAS and I have learned to not even make reference to the chair. I tell them about everything else.

Also do not be afraid to be dramatic or even graphic (to a point) about what happens to you IN LINE. For example, you said her blood sugar was not well controlled, so explaining what could happen to her, even when sitting in the ECV, when her blood sugar drops in a long line may help. Or what happens when she becomes overwhelmed by too much stimuli in a regular queue. Be specific and dramatic if need be - just make sure it is the truth. They do not care about comfort or stamina all day or rope drop. They want to know what can happen IN THEIR LINES that is dangerous, unsafe, or generally bad. Meltdowns, tantrums (not like a toddler, like an adult with Alzheimer's), passing out. These are things which can be part of our everyday lives, but the CMs who give out the DAS cards are focused on the queues. So our explanation must focus on that as well.

I am sorry your trip was less than good. I really hope CMs get better at being helpful.


This approach is more comprehensive and should help more in getting a DAC.
 
I have a wheelchair and a DAS and I have learned to not even make reference to the chair. I tell them about everything else.

Also do not be afraid to be dramatic or even graphic (to a point) about what happens to you IN LINE. For example, you said her blood sugar was not well controlled, so explaining what could happen to her, even when sitting in the ECV, when her blood sugar drops in a long line may help. Or what happens when she becomes overwhelmed by too much stimuli in a regular queue. Be specific and dramatic if need be - just make sure it is the truth. They do not care about comfort or stamina all day or rope drop. They want to know what can happen IN THEIR LINES that is dangerous, unsafe, or generally bad. Meltdowns, tantrums (not like a toddler, like an adult with Alzheimer's), passing out. These are things which can be part of our everyday lives, but the CMs who give out the DAS cards are focused on the queues. So our explanation must focus on that as well.

I am sorry your trip was less than good. I really hope CMs get better at being helpful.


This is exactly what I mean. "I have a wheelchair but..." is only going to turn off a CM to listening to the rest of what you have to say. Not that that's right but it's true. When explaining needs, people need to be clear, concise and calm but also direct. I'm sure no one delights in sharing what can be the nitty gritty details of their or their children's conditions, I frankly have no patience for those who won't explain their needs then are boggled why those needs aren't met. And for the record I'm not speaking to anyone specific here, I mean at Disney and in other situations as well.

For example, I happened to run into this while returning something at a store the other day. It was PACKED and there were no more shopping carts, they were all being used. A woman was screaming at their service desk people that it wasn't her fault that her kid hit another customer, he needed to be in a cart seat to be contained. Granted I don't know if he was special needs or not but I feel comfortable assuming he was. The manager told her that if it was that big of an issue, she could have come to the desk and asked for a cart and they would have been more than willing to catch someone on their way out, and brought that cart back to this woman.

Things don't have to turn into screaming matches as far as Disney goes either. It shouldn't have to be this way but unfortunately its something that won't change unless it's shown to be a problem. If your needs aren't met (within reason) by the CM, you ask for the next person up...and you continue that until you have a satisfactory answer. Sure it might take time but when the other option is complaining after the fact and having a crappy vacation, I'd rather spend the time to get what I need when I need it.
 
Not sure what happened, but as we were talking and getting the 30 minute return card, the standby time suddenly changed to 20 minutes. We saw it and asked if we could get a different return card with just a 10 minute wait then. The CM told us that since she'd just given us one with a 30 minute wait, that she couldn't change it. We said fine, we'd just turn it in and get a new one then. She said that she couldn't do that either and since the standby return time when we arrived was listed at 40 minutes then we had to wait the 30 minutes, even though the standby return time changed to 20 minutes right after we got the card.:confused3 Another wheelchair party arrived right after that and had about 5 minutes left before their return time, but she wouldn't let them in line either. They said they were very frustrated and had been battling the system all week. Even though the man could transfer, it seemed like they had been waiting alot longer than the standby time all week. Another party arrived and tried to immediately get into the wheelchair queue, but was told they'd have to get a return time card like we did and wait the length of the standby minus ten minutes. At that time the standby wait was 20 minutes, so they got a card that had a 10 minute wait, which meant they got to go in before we did, even though we had been waiting longer. When I questioned the CM, she reminded me that when we had arrived the standby wait was 40 minutes, but when that party arrived it was just 20 minutes. So they got to go in before us, even though we'd been standing there waiting for our time, before they even arrived to ask for a return time card.:confused3
I'm sorry but the second part I bolded is just plain messed up. I think that Disney is on track with the DAS in 99% of these cases, but WOW - I would be very angry. This makes no sense!!!!
 
Then as we started to explain her other needs, they just cut us off and told us that since she had an ECV she did not qualify for a DAC. GS at DS basically said DACs were for kids with autisim, not older people like my mom.

I am sorry you had problems at WDW recently. What the CM told you is exactly what multiple Guest Relations CMs told me earlier this month. Also, at Jungle Cruise they gave me a return time of standby PLUS ten minutes. I wasn't familiar with the changes, so I didn't question it. There does need to be more consistency.

I agree with LindaBabe and Bete that our trip earlier this month was horrible and has made us rethink going to WDW as often as we do. Time will tell.
 
I started quoting from the original post but there's just too much there...

Don't take this the wrong way, but it seems like you were asking for a lot. What can WDW do to make visiting the place with an brittle, 80 year old, senile, non-ambulatory, diabetic, claustrophobic, parent with bad eyes trouble free and magical?

It's hard to say whether or not the park staff could have done more to help you. Certainly they could if you were the only person with special needs, but as you said the wheelchair line was backed up at the ride you went to. The cast member's time is a resource that must be divided fairly among all park guests. Taking that resource out of action so they might void and re-issue you a ride entry card and save you 10 minutes in line is something they may have just decided was not a frugal investment.

The truth of this issue is that all (or nearly all) of the things that made your trip stink are matters outside of WDW's control. They didn't make you stay off site. They didn't make your mom infirm. On some days, the crowds and staffing levels permit them to go that extra mile, that's something I think they ardently strive for. Some days it doesn't work out.

I know how it is to be on the recieving end of abundant WDW magic and as well left out in the cold. I enjoy some pretty horrendous panic attacks and I have, on occasion asked to wait in the exit area or with the special boarders to a ride. It's great when it happens, and sometimes its very troublesome when they cannot make such an allowance. But Disney had no part in the events that caused my anxiety issues, they do what they can, when they can, but when they can't it would be wrong of me to blame them for my condition.
 
I have a wheelchair and a DAS and I have learned to not even make reference to the chair. I tell them about everything else.

Also do not be afraid to be dramatic or even graphic (to a point) about what happens to you IN LINE. For example, you said her blood sugar was not well controlled, so explaining what could happen to her, even when sitting in the ECV, when her blood sugar drops in a long line may help. Or what happens when she becomes overwhelmed by too much stimuli in a regular queue. Be specific and dramatic if need be - just make sure it is the truth. They do not care about comfort or stamina all day or rope drop. They want to know what can happen IN THEIR LINES that is dangerous, unsafe, or generally bad. Meltdowns, tantrums (not like a toddler, like an adult with Alzheimer's), passing out. These are things which can be part of our everyday lives, but the CMs who give out the DAS cards are focused on the queues. So our explanation must focus on that as well.

I am sorry your trip was less than good. I really hope CMs get better at being helpful.

Yes we described how his behavior would impact others in line too.
 














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