Not Everyone Is on the Same Boat (EMH)

[Kimberly9701]

Honestly I don't care and don't give it a thought and to me if one does it is called envy. There have always been things some could afford and others couldn't for as long as things were being bartered or sold.

I think it's maybe 'principle' or something to some people.

Like I said in a '$84 Fast Pass' example of our amusement park...Do I get annoyed when they get in front of line, sometimes it's frustrating. But a passing feeling, I understand that some people see value in spending the money. Maybe they are in town for one day, maybe it's a one time trip, maybe they just don't like waiting in 30-90 minute lines.. whatever the reason- what they see value in doesn't mean I think that option shouldn't be offered, just because I am not willing to pay the $84.

The ONLY reason I think that Disney has not done a paid fast pass is because of the price point- where would they put it?

$84 is too little.

$200? That's probably too much and not worth the cost of implementing.

So instead they offered DAH. We'll see if that sticks around or not.

Main thing is- they are giving Choices. And not all are bad. Some are very beneficial to several of us-like the dinner packages.

And with said dining package- you can have just as good of a seat without it. 3 feet doesn't change the view. If you are willing to go early to save a seat you will get a great one, no question. The dining package people are not preventing that. This is what I think people are overlooking.

 

[mom2rtk]

Other examples where Disney has taken from the experience of regular park guests to carve out an upsell:

1) Villains' soiree: They took some of the villains out of the Halloween party and made them exclusive to the upsell event. Want to meet Maleficent like you could every year prior? You would have had to pay extra. And you can't meet her any other time of year.

2) When FP for parades was first offered, the space blocked off was front and center in the hub in front of the castle. These were prime spots no longer available for others. When they used that area for MNSSHP parade viewing a couple years ago, there was that spacious wide open space with minimal guests inside, with regular guests (who already paid to be at the party) squeezed in like sardines next to the area.

 

[mom2rtk]

I think it's maybe 'principle' or something to some people.

Like I said in a '$84 Fast Pass' example of our amusement park...Do I get annoyed when they get in front of line, sometimes it's frustrating. But a passing feeling, I understand that some people see value in spending the money. Maybe they are in town for one day, maybe it's a one time trip, maybe they just don't like waiting in 30-90 minute lines.. whatever the reason- what they see value in doesn't mean I think that option shouldn't be offered, just because I am not willing to pay the $84.

The ONLY reason I think that Disney has not done a paid fast pass is because of the price point- where would they put it?

$84 is too little.

$200? That's probably too much and not worth the cost of implementing.

So instead they offered DAH. We'll see if that sticks around or not.

Main thing is- they are giving Choices. And not all are bad. Some are very beneficial to several of us-like the dinner packages.

And with said dining package- you can have just as good of a seat without it. 3 feet doesn't change the view. If you are willing to go early to save a seat you will get a great one, no question. The dining package people are not preventing that. This is what I think people are overlooking.

The reason Disney has not done paid FP is because they don't have the capacity for it.

 

[jade1]

Do you think the dining package will bring someone to AK who otherwise wouldn't have come for RoL and separately, whatever restaurants unaffiliated with the show? I have always thought of dining package as one dining option among several. Gotta eat anyway, want to see the show, ok reserved area is enough to make me choose a particular restaurant over another. Never thought about whether someone may come to DHS who wasn't already going there just because they could do it as a package. I'm talking about RoL long term here - I think lots of people will do things differently in the short term right when an attraction is new because it is a frenzy for a while. Do you suppose there's a market of folks who wouldn't otherwise go to AK or RoL but will go only if it's a dining package?

Mostly talking AK at night, which is pretty much a new concept.

Could it tip the scales to somebody going long term-not sure, but for now absolutely.

Long term they could drop dining packages even, who knows? Or they could add even more dining and packages.

I know folks that really only tackled night shows with FP+ or dining packages. So if they have a ROL FP+ many will go for that as well IMO.

By far the most AK guests indeed will go to AK for ROL and just SB, not even for sit down dining.

But the combination of many, probably most AK guests have never sat down for dining there, why not try out dinner and drinks and some different menus. Then toss in a reserved seat for ROL and avoiding that madness as well.

Some guests would very likely just hit EPCOT or D Springs instead.

I have no doubt that part of this is to indeed get dining and drinks packed right out of the shoot, but see nothing wrong with that, as that contribution was likely discussed in planning stages long ago.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Full day means attracting guests for evening dining and drinks as well.

What better way than an amazing night show, and available dining package with reserved great seating for it.

I'm not against dining packages. I just don't want to see a whole show turn into dining packages. I guess I am going to hold onto the old-fashioned notion that your park ticket should still get you something

 

[jade1]

Other examples where Disney has taken from the experience of regular park guests to carve out an upsell:

1) Villains' soiree: They took some of the villains out of the Halloween party and made them exclusive to the upsell event. Want to meet Maleficent like you could every year prior? You would have had to pay extra. And you can't meet her any other time of year.

2) When FP for parades was first offered, the space blocked off was front and center in the hub in front of the castle. These were prime spots no longer available for others. When they used that area for MNSSHP parade viewing a couple years ago, there was that spacious wide open space with minimal guests inside, with regular guests (who already paid to be at the party) squeezed in like sardines next to the area.

The thing is though a lot changes over the years. Some good some bad, depending on the guest of course.

Many if not 99% of guests probably would not go back to Maleficent, if it meant eliminating Talking Mickey, Tink, Merida from Brave, Anna & Elsa, Chewey & Kilo, Big Hero 6 and Inside Out. All very recent additions that are not an extra charge.

Likewise adding Celebrate the Magic Castle Projection is likely better than eliminating a Parade FP+ spot.

Not many guests would vote to eliminate Star Wars Fireworks and bring back all SB for Fantasmic either.

 

[jade1]

I'm not against dining packages. I just don't want to see a whole show turn into dining packages. I guess I am going to hold onto the old-fashioned notion that your park ticket should still get you something

It will soon be getting you evenings at AK, from ROL SB, to Night Safaris, to Avatar Land, and everything else that's now open at night.

Would you give that all up over a few sections of ROL dining packages?

 

[ArwenMarie]

It will soon be getting you evenings at AK, from ROL SB, to Night Safaris, to Avatar Land, and everything else that's now open at night.

Would you give that all up over a few sections of ROL dining packages?

I don't understand your question.

 

[Mikie]

The thing is though a lot changes over the years. Some good some bad, depending on the guest of course.

Many if not 99% of guests probably would not go back to Maleficent, if it meant eliminating Talking Mickey, Tink, Merida from Brave, Anna & Elsa, Chewey & Kilo, Big Hero 6 and Inside Out. All very recent additions that are not an extra charge.

Likewise adding Celebrate the Magic Castle Projection is likely better than eliminating a Parade FP+ spot.

Not many guests would vote to eliminate Star Wars Fireworks and bring back all SB for Fantasmic either.

It will soon be getting you evenings at AK, from ROL SB, to Night Safaris, to Avatar Land, and everything else that's now open at night.

Would you give that all up over a few sections of ROL dining packages?

Those are all interesting possibilities to consider, but there's no guarantee that dining packages DID cause Rivers of Light to be added or that Fantasmic dining packages had anything to do with the existence of Star Wars fireworks. They MAY have. Also, going back to other times, just because Maleficent is now gone and other characters are here does not mean that one caused the other. The new characters did not carry some villians out of the park on their shoulders and any discussion of having older/rarer characters appear at a party in MK does not mean that Chewy will disappear from DHS. It makes an interesting game of "would you rather?" Disney-style, but that's not necessarily how any of these items actually come about in the parks.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The reason Disney has not done paid FP is because they don't have the capacity for it.

Agreed.

It's also currently a great advertisement for people to compare with Universal:



On so many reviews that I see on sites people compare Disney's FastPass to Universal's Express Pass. I'm not trying to actually compare the two with this statement. I see when people favor Disney's system most mention that's it's "free" or "included in your park admission".

Nothing is guaranteed with Disney but when companies constantly adverstise a perk it becomes harder to radically change it or get rid of it. That's not to say that they won't but can you imagine if for example SWA started charging for change fees or checked baggage? Sure they could do it (and they may even do it eventually) but they would likely have a lot of really upset customers who fly them in large part to those two perks especially ones so constantly advertised.

 

[jade1]

I'm not against dining packages. I just don't want to see a whole show turn into dining packages. I guess I am going to hold onto the old-fashioned notion that your park ticket should still get you something

It will soon be getting you evenings at AK, from ROL SB, to Night Safaris, to Avatar Land, and everything else that's now open at night.

Would you give that all up over a few sections of ROL dining packages?

I don't understand your question.

WDW decided to offer evenings at AK.

Your ticket will soon include:

1) Night safari

2) Avatar Land

3) Tree of Life Projection

4) More dining

5) Later hours for existing attractions

6) ROL Stand by seating

The previous choice was None Of The Above.

My conclusion is your park ticket will get you more.

 

[jade1]

Those are all interesting possibilities to consider, but there's no guarantee that dining packages DID cause Rivers of Light to be added or that Fantasmic dining packages had anything to do with the existence of Star Wars fireworks. They MAY have. Also, going back to other times, just because Maleficent is now gone and other characters are here does not mean that one caused the other. The new characters did not carry some villians out of the park on their shoulders and any discussion of having older/rarer characters appear at a party in MK does not mean that Chewy will disappear from DHS. It makes an interesting game of "would you rather?" Disney-style, but that's not necessarily how any of these items actually come about in the parks.

All I am saying is if we are going to complain about what is taken away-why can't we discuss what is added. Why just the negative?

If you (not you) want to go back to when Fantasmic was just SB, then Star Wars Fireworks were not there then.

 

[Nezumi Fan]

I just read this article today but it fits with this airline example. Not sure if it can be related to Disney, I've never felt angry at anyone who had a better experience than I.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/02/health/air-rage-first-class-airplane-seating-study/

Read the article; thanks for the link. You're a better person than I, Ambear -- my feeling on the airlines and their "aspirational" messaging is, Is it not enough that first-class passengers get to enjoy their perks? Is the happiness of first-class passengers incomplete unless others are obliged to watch?

 

[Kimberly9701]

I'm not against dining packages. I just don't want to see a whole show turn into dining packages. I guess I am going to hold onto the old-fashioned notion that your park ticket should still get you something

I wouldn't like that either. I think the current situation is perfect.

 

[Kimberly9701]

WDW decided to offer evenings at AK.

Your ticket will soon include:

1) Night safari

2) Avatar Land

3) Tree of Life Projection

4) More dining

5) Later hours for existing attractions

6) ROL Stand by seating

The previous choice was None Of The Above.

My conclusion is your park ticket will get you more.

We are skipping AK this year. Your post unfortunately makes me want to try and squeeze it in the schedule.... I'm holding strong though......lol

 

[ArwenMarie]

WDW decided to offer evenings at AK.

Your ticket will soon include:

1) Night safari

2) Avatar Land

3) Tree of Life Projection

4) More dining

5) Later hours for existing attractions

6) ROL Stand by seating

The previous choice was None Of The Above.

My conclusion is your park ticket will get you more.

I agree. And that's great, that's how it should be. That increases the value of a standalone ticket.

My only point was that I wouldn't want to see too many seats for RoL go to dining packages.

 

[jade1]

My only point was that I wouldn't want to see too many seats for RoL go to dining packages.

Got ya. Same here really, but it's not my call and I have no reason to think it would be a crazy % anyway.

 

[jade1]

We are skipping AK this year. Your post unfortunately makes me want to try and squeeze it in the schedule.... I'm holding strong though......lol

Not the worst idea to wait for Avatar Land really.

 

[jade1]

I think the current situation is perfect.

See I think that's a very common response in a survey, or guests in general.

There is a huge number of guests that hate the waiting for an hour or two to get a good seat. Their time is just more valuable than that.

Those guests choose to either take what they get more last minute, or reserve a spot.

 

[Kimberly9701]

I agree. And that's great, that's how it should be. That increases the value of a standalone ticket.

My only point was that I wouldn't want to see too many seats for RoL go to dining packages.

Would you be ok with it if the 'reserved' section was the same size as Fantasmic? Still enough seating for all guests. In my opinion it wouldn't make sense for Disney to do the majority of seating designated for dining packages. I don't think there is enough want/need for it.