NOT a Solution for Bullying.

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Bullying is never acceptable, and all schools should do their best to curtail any bullying behavior. However, asking students to create a list of "bullies' so they can be punished, is in essence bullying. If the kids are going to be in charge of discipline based on a list, why not grant each one the role of principal for the day. Surely a 5th grader would do a better job that the one who thought of this idea.


Students ranked on list of bullies
Updated: Friday, 16 Apr 2010, 7:56 AM EDT
Published : Thursday, 15 Apr 2010, 10:19 PM EDT

SPENCER, Mass. (FOX25 / MyFoxBoston.com) - A local school asked students to rank the bullies in their school and then used that list to determine which students would be punished.

Students at The Wire Village School in Spencer were asked to rank students they thought were bullies in a survey distributed by the school at the request of the principal.

Mother Danielle Gebo said she recieved a call from the school unexpectedly saying her son was "ranked" as one of the top bullies at school. She says the school should have followed up claims with an investigation into allegations made by a class of sixth graders before taking disciplinary action.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/students-ranked-on-list-of-bullies-20100415
 
Bullying is never acceptable, and all schools should do their best to curtail any bullying behavior. However, asking students to create a list of "bullies' so they can be punished, is in essence bullying. If the kids are going to be in charge of discipline based on a list, why not grant each one the role of principal for the day. Surely a 5th grader would do a better job that the one who thought of this idea.


http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/students-ranked-on-list-of-bullies-20100415

Well if that isnt' the World's laziest principal.....:headache:
 
That's an awful way to handle the situation.
 
Strange. I wonder if the kids at that school feel too intimidated/scared to talk to an adult about bullying. Maybe this was the only way for people to come forward in a way they would feel safe?
 

Strange. I wonder if the kids at that school feel too intimidated/scared to talk to an adult about bullying. Maybe this was the only way for people to come forward in a way they would feel safe?[/QUOTE ]

I think this might have been the case. No kid wants to admit they are being bullied this way. The power to be can keep a close on the top voted bullies and handled things from there.
 
This is just about the stupidest thing I have read in a long time. What's to stop the kids from banding together and "nominating" a kid they don't like, just to embarrass them or worse?? :confused3

This principal is nuts!!
 
I would be irate if my child were on a bully list because of a survey that just asks for names and not specific examples.
 
This is just about the stupidest thing I have read in a long time. What's to stop the kids from banding together and "nominating" a kid they don't like, just to embarrass them or worse?? :confused3

This principal is nuts!!

That was my first thought as well. The kid that is frequently bullied could end up at the top of the list.

I would be irate if my child were on a bully list because of a survey that just asks for names and not specific examples.

Me too!
 
UGH! My kids' school does this...twice a year. It is NOT an annonymous survey and grades 4-8 participate. No choice, consequence if not filled out.
Each class has a list with each students' names on it and they have to rank them in several ways...how much of a threat from each person they feel, how many times they've been bullied by each person, how many times they've ever seen each person bully others.
The school never informed the parents that they implemented this a few years ago. Now it is common knowledge that they do this, but still don't outright publicize it. Gee, I wonder why. I bet there are some parents that don't know about it. When I talked to the principal about this, the concept is that through this, they "know who to keep an eye on". It's ridiculous, kids (and I know this for a fact) cover for the real bullies and gang up on kids that are far from being bullies to target them for unkind reasons. Kids are smart, and it's a twisted, skewed evaluation. I really hate it!
 
Woo Hoo!!! I can't stand Suzy Q -- she's going on the top of my list of bullies...even if she has never done anything to me. I can get her in trouble!

UGH!!!! Is all I have to say because the above is what I think of anytime I hear these types of things. Maybe I'm just too cynical.
 
I wonder why the school has chosen to do this rather than an anonymous Bully Box like many other schools?
 
There could have been a much better way to handle this.

Playing Survivor heroes vs. villains (via making lists!!!) was not the way to do it. And I agree with the mom in the article--just b/c the kid was voted one of the top bullies, you don't discipline based on a popularity contest. He deserved to be investigated.
 
UGH! My kids' school does this...twice a year. It is NOT an annonymous survey and grades 4-8 participate. No choice, consequence if not filled out.
Each class has a list with each students' names on it and they have to rank them in several ways...how much of a threat from each person they feel, how many times they've been bullied by each person, how many times they've ever seen each person bully others.
The school never informed the parents that they implemented this a few years ago. Now it is common knowledge that they do this, but still don't outright publicize it. Gee, I wonder why. I bet there are some parents that don't know about it. When I talked to the principal about this, the concept is that through this, they "know who to keep an eye on". It's ridiculous, kids (and I know this for a fact) cover for the real bullies and gang up on kids that are far from being bullies to target them for unkind reasons. Kids are smart, and it's a twisted, skewed evaluation. I really hate it!

So other kids can see who “voted” for whom? :eek: That is just asking for trouble! If a bully sees that a certain child listed him/her as a bully, (s)he is even more likely to go after that kid!

I agree with other posters, a student made list is not going to be the most accurate.
 
Wow. I can see so many issues that could arise from this. Fifth-graders can be nasty. My daughter, who is in fifth grade this year, experienced some fifth-graders out to get her and they can be cruel. Some girls decided they didn't like my dd for whatever reason. Whenever they were playing basketball in P.E. or at recess, one of them close to my daughter would fall down and start crying and tell the adult in charge that my daughter had hit them. My daughter would get sent to the principal's office, the principal would have to research and ask witnesses and find out that my daughter didn't actually do it, etc. While the principal was doing this, which would take days, the rumors were flying that my dd had been hitting people and I was getting phone calls about it, etc. It happened three times before I finally called the school and asked if maybe my daughter was the one being bullied instead of the bully and managed to inspire someone to put a stop to it.

If fifth grade girls can come up with an antic like this, imagine the damage they could do with a public list?
 
UGH! My kids' school does this...twice a year. It is NOT an annonymous survey and grades 4-8 participate. No choice, consequence if not filled out.
Each class has a list with each students' names on it and they have to rank them in several ways...how much of a threat from each person they feel, how many times they've been bullied by each person, how many times they've ever seen each person bully others.
The school never informed the parents that they implemented this a few years ago. Now it is common knowledge that they do this, but still don't outright publicize it. Gee, I wonder why. I bet there are some parents that don't know about it. When I talked to the principal about this, the concept is that through this, they "know who to keep an eye on". It's ridiculous, kids (and I know this for a fact) cover for the real bullies and gang up on kids that are far from being bullies to target them for unkind reasons. Kids are smart, and it's a twisted, skewed evaluation. I really hate it!

That is unbelievable! The school becomes the bully. What would happen if you told the principal that you will no longer permit your child to take part in organized 'tattle taling' but that she will report incidences of bullying, privately and confidentially as she sees them happen? I know singling your child out to stand up to this kind of thing is difficult and I can understand why you may not want to, but if more kids did, they might solve bullying by everyone.
 
Highschool teacher here - this is ridiculous in the way it was done. They could have done an anonymous box, which usually works out as we use them as point of reference. This could be a very useful tool as kids are pretty honest with this type of thing, but it must be done correctly.

Unless the school is living under a rock, they should already have an idea of who the bullies are; therefore, if the same kid is showing up on a list, chances are, he/she is a bully. BUT, and it's a big but, it's up to the school to keep that list anonymous at all times (have they heard of a privacy act?), and investigate the heck out of that situation. It could be useful if used properly.

This type of thing relieves the school of doing its job, and it creates more of a bullying situation in its current set-up. Not sure where the staff got their training from, but that is just a ridiculous situation.

Bullying is one of the hardest things for us to do deal with, besides drugs. We find that most parents perpetuate bullying by playing rough at home, and not accepting that their children are bullies. We are finding that the home situation is a big variable in bullying behaviour, yet most people feel it's the school's sole responsibility to deal with it.

In our school board, we even handle bullying that is done off of school property, but we feel it's imperative in order to curb the situation. That being said, we still have dumb principals and teachers who don't take it seriously at all. We now have a big technological bullying policy at our school board too, and so texting, chatting, emails and other things are monitoried and turned over to police as necessary.

Bullying is a tough thing for all involved, but as schools, our job is to do everything that we can in our power to handle it, and in this case, that school droppped the ball big-time.

Tiger
 
Woo Hoo!!! I can't stand Suzy Q -- she's going on the top of my list of bullies...even if she has never done anything to me. I can get her in trouble!

UGH!!!! Is all I have to say because the above is what I think of anytime I hear these types of things. Maybe I'm just too cynical.

But if you are the only one that puts her name on there, she won't be at the top of the list.

I wonder why the school has chosen to do this rather than an anonymous Bully Box like many other schools?

How is this any different than doing a survey?? You can still stick any kids name in there without backing it up.

Honestly, I think this is a GREAT idea. I think it gives a LOT better feedback to the school and you don't end up in situations where it is one child's word against the other. If 20 kids out of 22 say that Johnny Smith is the biggest bully in class, he probably is. Kids will be pretty honest about stuff like this. Yes, you are going to get one kid here and there that will try to get someone in trouble but it won't pan out because the rest of the class isn't doing that.
 
If done properly and rarely, it can actually be a useful tool.

I would do it this way:

Present the activity to all the students at the same time by the staff. Say for example, at 9:00 every room in the building is to do this. Absolute silence during the activity so that there can be no "conspiring". No ranking of just students in the room, it can be any student in the building. Put a maximum of 10 names on the list. Make it anonymous. *EXCEPT* give the students the option of writing about an incident they are aware of and feel needs to be investigated in which case names are needed.

DO NOT punish based only on this list, but create a list of "watch-kids" for the staff, based on the names that appear most frequently. Principal investigates incidents reported for accuracy and veracity and takes appropriate action.

It works. I have used this method as a middle school teacher for various reasons a handful of times over the past 20+ years.

Have any of you ever seen the movie "Lean On Me" about the principal Joe Clark? He tells his staff he wants the name of "every drug dealer and miscreant on my desk by lunchtime", then expells them all in front of the rest of the student body. Now, it doesn't give a timeline for the expulsiion, but I can't believe he threw them all out without an investigation.
 
Surveys are valid data collection tools if designed properly.

If children are being surveyed with regard to their determinations of who is a bully or not, there is no harm in that.

As with any survey, the harm comes in the potential for mishandling the results.

Every survey comes with an accuracy value. Every survey comes with the factors of people outthinking it, or giving deliberately wrong answers.

Kudos for a school's attempt to make bullying important enough to address in the open.
 


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