not a fan of fast pass plus

[snoopy352]

You can do this now, and it's an example of one of the benefits of FP+.

Just take one of the options that you're offered and change the times of the individual attractions so they fit your schedule. For example, in your case, you could choose an option with 3 choices in the middle of the day. Then you could change TSMM to 9 AM and Star Tours to 6 PM, and do whatever you want with your other tier 2 attraction (like Tower of Terror).

Once you know your autograph times on the day of your visit, you could try to change your FP times, but if you can't you still have something.

The big problem with this workaround is if you are on the DDP and you have an ADR, you will not be able to book a FP+ within one hour of your ADR or two hours after it. Another restriction, sigh.

 

[morethananyonex]

I said it is currently technically allowed, a loophole I hope Disney closes, you should only get on site perks for the amount of time you have paid for them. It is really no different to booking one night to get a kttw card so you can access emh for your trip...

It has never been stated by Disney that it's an unintentional loophole. People have reported being told by CMs to book a room to get FP+ for their trip. They are aware of this.

It's your opinion that you should only get prebooking for the time you're onsite. That is not Disney's current rule. It is very different than booking one night to get EMH for your whole trip. Using an old card for EMH was not allowed. Booking FP+ past your resort stay currently is.

 

[MelissathePooh]

The big problem with this workaround is if you are on the DDP and you have an ADR, you will not be able to book a FP+ within one hour of your ADR or two hours after it. Another restriction, sigh.

You can't if the app and the kiosk and won't give you that option...

 

[MelissathePooh]

You can't if the app and the kiosk and won't give you that option...

Wrong quote pulled... I didn't even realize that about the time restrictions. The whole thing was a complicated mess to fix a something that wasn't broken.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I think the better answer would be for Disney to offer pre-booking to offsite guests at a fee of say 50 dollars per group. (The price of the campground in question). Then offsite gets their perk for pay, and those who can't afford more then that and want to stay on property, still can.

Wins all around.
That is if Disney doesn't stop with the massive money grab and just let off-site book 50 days ahead of time for free, which frankly I would fully support. That's still a 10 day head start for On Site, so perk established but it doesn't screw over Off-site.

Way too cheap unfortunately....from Disneys POV
Not high enough to move some people onsite, which is a goal

 

[wisblue]

The big problem with this workaround is if you are on the DDP and you have an ADR, you will not be able to book a FP+ within one hour of your ADR or two hours after it. Another restriction, sigh.

The person who posed the original question about getting TSMM at 9 and ST at 6 didn't say anything about ADRs.

That may be a restriction with FP+, but it was also a potential problem with paper FP, where if you wanted a FP you had no choice but to take what was available when you arrive at the machine.

 

[joelkfla]

But I do also believe that D will be selling FP as well for offsite guests. Think about it....they are well aware that there are many willing to book throwaway rooms...in order to get 3 FP's booked in advance. With a throwaway it cost disney more as they have to staff the property as though the person is "staying" in the room. They dont know who is and isnt when the booking is made. I cant see how they wouldnt go to the next logical step and charge x amount per day for offsite guests to use fp+ in whatever form it will be.

Again, Disney has published to cm's, in print and OK to share with Guests, that at some time in the future ALL Guests will be able to link passes to MDE and make advance FP+ selections, AND that there are no plans to charge for FP+ service.

They've also made it clear that the current limitations and restrictions (and even the elimination of classic FP) are part of the test and subject to change.

 

[wisblue]

No we were onsite. (I am dr's wife). We tried multiple times to use that option (that was listed on the app), but it would not ever let us continue ro make any changes. We could only use the first replace option. We eventually did go to the kiosk at AK guest relations and had the same problem. We could chanhe the whole set, but not the individual attractions. It was maddening!

We stopped on our way out to ask one of the kiosk CMs and the highest up CM in the most formal suit said that was correct. One of the other CMs was surprised, but he insisted that was now the case.

I don't know of that changed since fp- is gone or what. We only went to AK and MK and experienced it in both parks multiple times.

DR has a fairly new Moto X android - the rest of the app would work (although slow and clogged), but not that function for individual changes. We are AP holders and had our tickets linked to the bands - don"t know if that had anything to do with it or not. That one CM said this was the case though and the kiosk machine was the same thing...

When was this?

In late December we were definitely able to change times for one attraction, both at the kiosks in the park and through MDE while back in the room. We also did it at home before we left for our trip.

After you have made FP+ selections, you should be able to change just one to either a different time or a different attraction. When you go to the screen to make the change, you should select "change" and not "replace". Then you select which of your current choices you want to change.

 

[wisblue]

Again, Disney has published to cm's, in print and OK to share with Guests, that at some time in the future ALL Guests will be able to link passes to MDE and make advance FP+ selections, AND that there are no plans to charge for FP+ service.

They've also made it clear that the current limitations and restrictions (and even the elimination of classic FP) are part of the test and subject to change.

What is the source for this?

 

[jco_direwolf]

They've also made it clear that the current limitations and restrictions (and even the elimination of classic FP) are part of the test and subject to change.

The terms and conditions even say you are entitled to legacy FP once you have opted into FP+ although i might argue that there was no opting only changes.

Legacy FP on paper was doomed as soon as FP+ was rolled out.

 

[joelkfla]

What is the source for this?

A list of Q&A's made available to cm's to respond to Guest questions, specifically for the current all-access test.

 

[Laketravis]

They've also made it clear that the current limitations and restrictions (and even the elimination of classic FP) are part of the test and subject to change.

Then they are certainly a bunch of sadistic *******s to put their customers thru this sort of limited and restricted "testing" if they plan on removing those limits or restrictions at some later date.

 

[jimandami]

I just went into MDE and picked one of my AK FP+ for March. I could very easily change either the time or the experience on just one of them, so not sure why you were having such a hard time I am also an AP holder with it linked to the band so I don't think that's problem.

 

[Shaden]

If that really is their intent, I agree with you whole heartedly LT ...

Such crap. I don't like the system either, but this roll out is the worst "product launch" I have ever seen/witnessed.

Just terrible.

 

[morethananyonex]

Then they are certainly a bunch of sadistic *******s to put their customers thru this sort of limited and restricted "testing" if they plan on removing those limits or restrictions at some later date.

It's hard for me to picture a system where everyone doesn't have some sort of ability to prebook. It's absolutely necessary offsite guests have it to meet Disney's stated objective, which is to minimize the temptation of other Orlando offerings. Nobody is more tempted than offsite guests.

My personal theory is that they wanted to get the ball rolling in removing FP-, but are not ready to fully roll out MDE and prebooking to offsite guests, hence the FP+ kiosks and in park booking. I would be surprised if it isn't temporary. They have to know it's not an appealing system to many offsite guests.

 

[wisblue]

Then they are certainly a bunch of sadistic *******s to put their customers thru this sort of limited and restricted "testing" if they plan on removing those limits or restrictions at some later date.

As a practical matter, how would you make the jump from paper FP only for all guests to FP+ only for all guests without going through small interim steps like they have been doing?

If you think these small steps have been a mess, it would really be fun doing it all at one time.

 

[wisblue]

BTW, here is a link to the page that informs passholders that MBs and FP+ will be coming some time in 2014.

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/plan/my-disney-experience/passholder/

 

[joelkfla]

Then they are certainly a bunch of sadistic *******s to put their customers thru this sort of limited and restricted "testing" if they plan on removing those limits or restrictions at some later date.

I said "subject to change," not will change. I think it's very much a trial & error process. We can only hope they recognize the errors in their ways and improve the system.

So, in the words of, I think, Soupy Sales, "Keep those cards & letters coming, kids!"

 

[Laketravis]

It's hard for me to picture a system where everyone doesn't have some sort of ability to prebook. It's absolutely necessary offsite guests have it to meet Disney's stated objective, which is to minimize the temptation of other Orlando offerings. Nobody is more tempted than offsite guests.

My personal theory is that they wanted to get the ball rolling in removing FP-, but are not ready to fully roll out MDE and prebooking to offsite guests, hence the FP+ kiosks and in park booking. I would be surprised if it isn't temporary. They have to know it's not an appealing system to many offsite guests.

That could be true - except consider for a moment the huge amount of resources they are throwing at this and still garnering poor press.

The ability to pre-book is already native to the application. From a programming standpoint, it's actually easier for them to INCLUDE a group (offsite) than it is to EXCLUDE them.

Since they've excluded them, they can identify them. And if they can identify them, they can allow them to link their tickets to FP+ without a resort stay.

And if they can allow them to link their tickets to FP+ without a resort stay, they could allow them to pre-book. Even if it's with a different window, like AP holders.

So I see no compelling reason why Disney would spend an enormous amount of money on additional manpower, iPads, and kiosks JUST for on-site guests and risk such negative press if they plan on throwing a few software switches and letting offsite guests pre-book anyway.

"But they have to test it out first" - I can't think of a single mechanical, operational, managerial or data element they would need to test that would require off-site guests to wait until they are actually in the park to make their FP selections.

 

[joelkfla]

"But they have to test it out first" - I can't think of a single mechanical, operational, managerial or data element they would need to test that would require off-site guests to wait until they are actually in the park to make their FP selections.

Reports on this board are that there are still a lot of on-site Guests having problems linking their passes in the app. Don't you think it's prudent to get those problems smoothed out before throwing in another scenario and, perhaps, tripling or more the number of app users trying to link passes?