Non Ticket holder at MNSSHP

[dzneprincess]

Just because I am curious I created a poll
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1196914

 

[tjmw2727]

You want to wallow in your doom and gloom, go right ahead. But I think it appropriate for other people to post contrasting posts. For two reasons:

1) Some people in their doom and gloom are posting flat out false info. I bet you can find 50 posts on the DIS right now saying that non-ticket holders are going to be allowed to stay and hundreds of posts from people who read and believed those posts. It's just not true. People should be given the facts, and then if want to predict doom and gloom, fine. But lets get the correct facts out to people.

2) There are people who, in their doom and gloom, are calling on Disney to change their policy and no longer allow party goers into the park at 4:00. Many of these people are AP holders, so the change doesn't hurt them. But the change does seriously hurt those people who don't have AP or park passes for that day.

When you start calling for changes that are going to hurt people, that change really should be based on facts, no exaggerated doom and gloom. Now if you see all the facts and still want to ask for change, go right ahead. But don't cut off other people's fun based on worst case fears.

1 - I agree, to a point. In prior years the park would close, empty and then re-open. Post 9/11 the park would close an hour prior to the party but party guests could stay and dine in select restaurants or enjoy one designated land. This gave CM's an hour to clear the park of non "hard ticket holders". The - worry - is that according to the WDW official site the park is closing at the same time the party starts and make it difficult to clear the park of "day guests". We don't know how successful WDW CM's are going to be at clearing out day guests that don't have hard tickets as it hasn't been done before. Its common sense that at least for the first hour they will be able to gain access to at least the shows, parades and probably candy.

2. I would like to see the park close completly and re-open. I don't see this as hurting anyone as they were not supposed to be there in the first place. I see this as affecting day guests that did use a day of admission vs those who only bought the hard ticket. IMHO early party goers were getting park time they were not entitled to in the first place, and you can't loose something that was never yours. If the party ticket says 7-12 then why expect admission at 4?

I personally think that the website with the offical hours will change, we all know how often that happens, and there will be the hour gap as in years past. We shall see though.

TJ

 

[yellowfish78]

What's the difference between this and an extra magic hour evening? Disney doesn't close the park for that...

 

[HolliePoppins]

What's the difference between this and an extra magic hour evening? Disney doesn't close the park for that...

For my family $160 thats what.

 

[blueangel]

The difference is people are paying extra for a hard ticket to the party...

 

[tjmw2727]

What's the difference between this and an extra magic hour evening? Disney doesn't close the park for that...

Good question.

IMHO its the "Party" events that don't take place any other time. During EMH its basicly a couple extra hours of rides so its easy to check for wristbands, no wristband = no ride.

For the MNSSHP or the MVMCP its the many special shows, fireworks and parades that you can't see any other time. That is the true draw, at least for my family, and the rides take a backseat. Its much more difficult to check for wristbands for the shows or the parades than it is for the rides.

So if you don't have a wristband for EMH there really isn't a reason to stay - many of the stores even close. The parties have entertainment galore in addition to the rides so someone without a wristband may be more likely to stay even though he/she couldn't ride rides.

Just .02
TJ

 

[yellowfish78]

Forgive me Hollie, I guess I should have clarified my question a little better.
Disney doesn't close the park for EMH's. We pay to stay onsite, so should they also close the park and then reopen it for resort guests only? Disney manages to handle EMH's, so I don't see why they also can't handle this as well.

 

[tjmw2727]

Forgive me Hollie, I guess I should have clarified my question a little better.
Disney doesn't close the park for EMH's. We pay to stay onsite, so should they also close the park and then reopen it for resort guests only? Disney manages to handle EMH's, so I don't see why they also can't handle this as well.

I think I understood your question and replied as above. However, ITA and I hope you are right that come October there will be no issues with non ticket holders attending the MNSSHP.

 

[mking624]

Do you know what you are talking about, or do you just like laying alot of bull out there.

For a newbie who has only 4 posts and clearly hasn't spent time on these threads (being that this is the ONLY post you've made outside the CB), it's pretty bold of you to assume that I don't know what I'm talking about. Perhaps you need to learn some manners before you think YOU know what you're talking about since apparently you're missing the point of my post.

 

[Mariposa]

Forgive me Hollie, I guess I should have clarified my question a little better.
Disney doesn't close the park for EMH's. We pay to stay onsite, so should they also close the park and then reopen it for resort guests only? Disney manages to handle EMH's, so I don't see why they also can't handle this as well.

The problem is that, by some observations, Disney doesn't really handle EMH.. The day guests do stay after park closes and nothing is really done to stop that (which is no big deal because at EMH the only draw is rides which aren't accessible without a wristband).

 

[M. Eisner]

Newbie? Isn't anyone who just joined this year a newbie?? (LOL)
I remember when MNSSHP was just three nights and they called us at home to try to sell tickets! My advice is to calm down and let's see what really happens in September. Everything will turn out great, I am sure. Disney always does a great job.

 

[Busy B]

I give up.

If you all insist on dooming-and-glooming your way to the first MNSSHP party, be my guests. You've got about a month to work yourselves into a lather between now and then.

I've got better things to do, like planning my own trip.

I agree - it is doom and gloom just to read this thread and see the responses and people being griped at. Not a nice way to end the day. Too bad I even looked at this thread. Now I'm just going to go unsubscribe because I am sure I'll get flamed too. Oh well.

 

[mking624]

Newbie? Isn't anyone who just joined this year a newbie?? (LOL)

I typically agree...except this person just joined this month (which only had to be in the last 15 days)...he only has 4 posts...and has only posted one time on any thread regarding anything other than an off topic thread found on the Community Board, yet he comes on here assuming he knows how to call me out (which clearly he doesn't) when he doesn't even seem to know what HE'S talking about since I'm not the only person who expressed a view like mine. I'd say there's a big difference with your definition of newbie and this guy's actual status.
But anyway, that's not the point of the thread, so back to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

[rafiki]

We have been to MNSSHP 5 or 6 times. I am sure there have been some who got away without buying tickets in the past. If everyone's fears are true, then there will be many more this year.

However, what everyone fears will happen makes so little sense that I find it hard to believe that the worst case scenario will actually occur. (Although I will admit to being concerned too.) Not even a big, money-hungry corporation would do something as obviously stupid as sell tickets to an event expressly advertised as a limited ticket event and then not make a reasonable effort to limit the admission or participation to those with tickets. You will note per an earlier post that Disney's official line is that they will enforce the limited participation. They are clearly aware that they cannot do otherwise. It seems to me that it would be an easy class action suit for false advertising and breach of contract if they sell "limited tickets" and then let anyone stay. Given the number of nights of MNSSHP, the $30-40 per ticket and the 20,000 - 25,000 tickets each night (just a guess), the revenue, and therefore the damage claim, is $millions. Someone could easily find plaintiffs here.

Besides, it strikes me as cutting off your nose to spite your face. Even if they got away with it for a year, or even two, eventually the word would get out beyond this on-line community and they would have to either stop charging for the tickets or start re-enforcing the limited admission. In the meantime, public relations would be a disaster. I doubt Disney or any other corporation with an eye to profits would do something with such negative long-term ramifications for such a short-term gain.

Perhaps I am being naive, but I don't think so. Corporations, even more than many individuals, are governed by pure self-interest and it is not in Disney's interest to do something so obviously stupid, illegal and immoral with its showcase product - its theme parks. I guess it's a sign (post-Enron, etc.) of how often consumers have been abused that we (me too) can actually believe that this might possibly happen.

I suspect they will either change the general admission ending hour to 6 or they will make a real effort to ask those without wristbands to leave. Of course, none of us knows for sure until after the first MNSSHP.

 

[goofy4tink]

You want to wallow in your doom and gloom, go right ahead. But I think it appropriate for other people to post contrasting posts. For two reasons:

1) Some people in their doom and gloom are posting flat out false info. I bet you can find 50 posts on the DIS right now saying that non-ticket holders are going to be allowed to stay and hundreds of posts from people who read and believed those posts. It's just not true. People should be given the facts, and then if want to predict doom and gloom, fine. But lets get the correct facts out to people.

2) There are people who, in their doom and gloom, are calling on Disney to change their policy and no longer allow party goers into the park at 4:00. Many of these people are AP holders, so the change doesn't hurt them. But the change does seriously hurt those people who don't have AP or park passes for that day.

When you start calling for changes that are going to hurt people, that change really should be based on facts, no exaggerated doom and gloom. Now if you see all the facts and still want to ask for change, go right ahead. But don't cut off other people's fun based on worst case fears.

Okay, of course there is mis-information out there...always is. I would tend to agree with your number 1. However, it's number 2 I have to take issue with. How is not allowing people with no park passes into the park at 4:00 hurting anyone? Sorry, but that was a 'freebie' we got due to Disney's trying to prevent a bottleneck of people getting into the party at start time. Why would anyone feel that they are entitled to free entry? Sure, it was a nice thing to be able to do, but I have to tell you, I would much rather they close the park to everyone at 6:00 and then let in only party goers at 7:00. Bottleneck, sure I guess it would happen, but hey, that's life. There's a bottleneck at park opening too. Or be in the park already, get your wristband and get herded to Tommorowland. It is a non-issue. I 'see all the facts'...I just, personally, don't need those extra few hours in order to enjoy myself. I will continue to use my AP or park hopper to get into the MK before the party starts. It may be time for Disney to rescind that particular little perk of getting in at 4:00 for 'free'. And don't tell me that you have already paid for it with your party ticket....you get the hours of 7-12 with that ticket.
Will everyone agree with me? Most certainly not....I am not preaching 'doom and gloom' here....more of a wait and see attitude. I am counting on Disney to handle the situation in a well ordered fashion.

 

[M. Eisner]

mking624, I was just teasing you. With more than 2,000 posts, I realize you know what you're talking about. You make a good point.

 

[tjmw2727]

Okay, of course there is mis-information out there...always is. I would tend to agree with your number 1. However, it's number 2 I have to take issue with. How is not allowing people with no park passes into the park at 4:00 hurting anyone? Sorry, but that was a 'freebie' we got due to Disney's trying to prevent a bottleneck of people getting into the party at start time. Why would anyone feel that they are entitled to free entry? Sure, it was a nice thing to be able to do, but I have to tell you, I would much rather they close the park to everyone at 6:00 and then let in only party goers at 7:00. Bottleneck, sure I guess it would happen, but hey, that's life. There's a bottleneck at park opening too. Or be in the park already, get your wristband and get herded to Tommorowland. It is a non-issue. I 'see all the facts'...I just, personally, don't need those extra few hours in order to enjoy myself. I will continue to use my AP or park hopper to get into the MK before the party starts. It may be time for Disney to rescind that particular little perk of getting in at 4:00 for 'free'. And don't tell me that you have already paid for it with your party ticket....you get the hours of 7-12 with that ticket.
Will everyone agree with me? Most certainly not....I am not preaching 'doom and gloom' here....more of a wait and see attitude. I am counting on Disney to handle the situation in a well ordered fashion.

Well said, ITA
TJ

 

[salmoneous]

Why would anyone feel that they are entitled to free entry? Sure, it was a nice thing to be able to do, but I have to tell you, I would much rather they close the park to everyone at 6:00 and then let in only party goers at 7:00. Bottleneck, sure I guess it would happen, but hey, that's life. There's a bottleneck at park opening too. Or be in the park already, get your wristband and get herded to Tommorowland. It is a non-issue. I 'see all the facts'...I just, personally, don't need those extra few hours in order to enjoy myself

While *you* don't want those extra hours, lots of other people do want them. While they shouldn't feel entitled to them, they are a nice perk. Taking away that perk turns an 8 hour day into a 5 hour day. That's a big deal. And for people with kids who can't make it to midnight, it might turn a 7 hour day into a 4 hour day, or a 6 hour day into a 3 hour day. That's a really big deal to some people.

There is a big cost to taking away this perk. Maybe it's a good idea; maybe it's a bad idea. But let's base that decision on facts. The reason most people are asking for this perk to be taken away is their fear the park will be flooded with non-ticket holders. I think that fear is way overblown. People talk how hard it will be for the CM's to shoo people out - even though the CM's have had no trouble doing it in the past. People talk about how confusing it will be with the party starting at the same time the park is closing. But they don't start and end at the same time. In the past, the party has started at 4 with the shooing beginning at 6 - this year the party will start at 4 with the shooing beginning at 7. Just not that big a difference. People talk about the closing of lands and herding from 6-7, and feel the park can't be cleared without that herding time. I just haven't seen that much herding at the parties I've been to, and don't feel the herding is the big clearing asset as long as at least one land and MSUSA are open.

None of us are sure what will happen. We do know there is potential for a some more non-ticket holding guests to be in the park with the shift. If you think that potential is enough to demand Disney take away the 4:00 perk, fine.

But if you read through posts, people aren't talking about potential. They are talking as if we know for a fact that Disney is allowing anybody who wants to stay. They are talking as if it is a fact that it will be impossible for the CM's to get anyone out of the park. Heck, we've got people in this thread stressed about attraction lines being extra long due to the change (something that is impossible). What I don't want to see is people asking Disney talking away the 4:00 perk based on misinformation, or accepting the worst case scenario as fact.

I am counting on Disney to handle the situation in a well ordered fashion.

Well said - I couldn't agree more.

 

[Robo]

This thread reminds me of what turned into a PANIC over how many people were going OVER-RUN the Animal Kingdom during the time of the EE Preview for AP/DVC guests this last Winter.

Many predicted hours-long waits for Safari and Kali, SRO at all the FotLK shows, impossible CS food lines...

It was predicted that all of the other parks would suffer the ill effects of the DAK over-crowding.

It was AMAZING the number of folks RANTING about the vile outcome of this event.

Of course, in reality nothing like that occurred. On certain of the weekend days, EE was, in fact very busy, but in the rest of the park, business-as-usual.

NOW, we have the FREAKING OUT of the folks with 5-and-under kids who are certain that the MB "Little Ones EMH" will be over-run with 20-somethings hoarding all the trunk-space on Dumbo!

R-E-L-A-X people. Its supposed to be FUN.

 

[emnrich]

I have MNSSHP tickets for 9/23. I am not getting my panties in a wad over who's there and who isn't. I am looking forward to going and having a good time with my family. I trust two things, that Disney will do things right and if they don't do it right, they will make up for it.

Now, if they let me down, so be it. I have a 1997 ASMu mug in my suitcase already and I will spend the hours from 7 - midnight pool hopping and drinking unlimited refills until I feel I have recouped my money and exacted my revenge. Once they read that, they will quickly fall in line.