No the Magic isn’t gone but it’s at 25%

I think onsite should always have an advantage. I personally feel like onsite should have advantages for everything, from Genie+ bookings to dining to booking extras like cabanas, tours etc. Any time I see onsite and off-site have an equal footing for anything in somewhat high demand I don't quite get it.
From a business standpoint I’m right there with you. On a personal note, families scrimp and save to stay anywhere close to Disney so I’m good if Disney doesn’t choose to rake offsiters over the coals
 
Heaven forbid offsite people have a good vacation too 🙄
I hope off-site people have amazing trips. It like every other aspect of our society and economy people who pay more usually get more benefits. From both guests who stays onsite and WDW corporate perspectives why should onsite NOT get benefits? Should someone staying at. $79 Hojo 20.minutes away get the same chance at Space220 or GotG as someone spending $1k club level GF? In my opinion the answer is no.

This topic has gotten more interesting the last few years as the capacity of parks has become what it has....and parks are more packed. But if it was up to me, anyone onsite always gets first shot before offsite
 
I think onsite should always have an advantage. I personally feel like onsite should have advantages for everything, from Genie+ bookings to dining to booking extras like cabanas, tours etc. Any time I see onsite and off-site have an equal footing for anything in somewhat high demand I don't quite get it.
I get it. I was just sharing my experience as an offsite guest during the Fastpass+ era. Like I said, I was able to get the big E-tickets but it did take a lot of work in terms of refreshing and stalking the app.
 
I hope off-site people have amazing trips. It like every other aspect of our society and economy people who pay more usually get more benefits. From both guests who stays onsite and WDW corporate perspectives why should onsite NOT get benefits? Should someone staying at. $79 Hojo 20.minutes away get the same chance at Space220 or GotG as someone spending $1k club level GF? In my opinion the answer is no.

This topic has gotten more interesting the last few years as the capacity of parks has become what it has....and parks are more packed. But if it was up to me, anyone onsite always gets first shot before offsite
I disagree. Everyone should have the same shot at getting Space 220 or Guardians of the Galaxy. And everyone (even those paying $1k for club level at the Grand Floridian) should be able to ride Guardians of the Galaxy as many times per day as they like. Just because you're getting ripped off on a hotel doesn't mean that you should have some huge advantage. It also doesn't mean that you should be limited to one ride per day. If you want to wait 4 hours for the ride, that's your prerogative.

I don't think that knowing all of the ridiculous rules or going through an absurd amount of planning should give someone benefits over someone else. I think Disney (and all of the other theme parks in the world) would be better off putting everyone on the same playing field by raising their admission prices to whatever they like, and then offer everyone inside the parks the same amenities--none of the VIP tour baloney, no need to make ADRs months in advance, no need to know all of the rules and nuances of the different special systems like Genie+.

I still like virtual queues, though--provided everyone can use them with the same rules, enforced consistently. (Paper FastPasses were the BEST.)
 

I disagree. Everyone should have the same shot at getting Space 220 or Guardians of the Galaxy. And everyone (even those paying $1k for club level at the Grand Floridian) should be able to ride Guardians of the Galaxy as many times per day as they like. Just because you're getting ripped off on a hotel doesn't mean that you should have some huge advantage. It also doesn't mean that you should be limited to one ride per day. If you want to wait 4 hours for the ride, that's your prerogative.

I don't think that knowing all of the ridiculous rules or going through an absurd amount of planning should give someone benefits over someone else. I think Disney (and all of the other theme parks in the world) would be better off putting everyone on the same playing field by raising their admission prices to whatever they like, and then offer everyone inside the parks the same amenities--none of the VIP tour baloney, no need to make ADRs months in advance, no need to know all of the rules and nuances of the different special systems like Genie+.

I still like virtual queues, though--provided everyone can use them with the same rules, enforced consistently. (Paper FastPasses were the BEST.)
Yes comrade haha. I think giving incentives to stay at a more expensive hotel is a good business idea on Disneys end. That being said, technology doesn’t necessarily make the playing field uneven, it’s personal choice to learn a system that everyone has access to, if you don’t want to learn it, that’s on you. Also if they didn’t have ADRs, it would be a blood bath to get a table, and while they’re at it, they should wipe out booking your hotel, or buying tickets ahead, wouldn’t want to give someone an “unfair” advantage
 
I do know at Cedar Fair parks they are kicking people out of the park for cutting the line as well as taking their phone out in line. Like you said at the majority of other parks most people don't buy skip the line passes.

A bit off topic I'm a bit jealous of how close you are to Great Adventure. It's one of the parks on my bucket list. I have been to Cedar Point, King's Island and Hershey Park.
I'm confused! I understand kicking people out of Cedar Fair for cutting the line , but "as well as taking their phone out in line"?????? Why would they do that if you take your phone out in line? Don't get it?
 
Sea World a few times and Knotts many years ago. I live close to southern California. I'm guessing you are young, but you have to understand many people over the age of 40 can't handle roller coaster after rollercoaster. I would go to a rollercoaster park for my kids, but I'd probably be done after three rides. I like rollercoasters in small doses.
LOL, that's funny. I guess my 70 y/o husband shouldn't have ridden RRR at Universal? He had a blast, and always rides the coasters. I don't think he's alone in riding coasters at an older age than 40.
Me? I wouldn't ride one if they paid me. Never liked the feeling of falling out of your seat, or the speed.
 
I hope off-site people have amazing trips. It like every other aspect of our society and economy people who pay more usually get more benefits. From both guests who stays onsite and WDW corporate perspectives why should onsite NOT get benefits? Should someone staying at. $79 Hojo 20.minutes away get the same chance at Space220 or GotG as someone spending $1k club level GF? In my opinion the answer is no.

This topic has gotten more interesting the last few years as the capacity of parks has become what it has....and parks are more packed. But if it was up to me, anyone onsite always gets first shot before offsite
I really wonder if the future of WDW is making the parks exclusive to on site resort guests to include a limited number of partner hotels and even eliminates AP's altogether. Essentially, your ticket is built into your hotel reservation and controlled through the park reservation system. This would give Disney even more power to manage crowds and give them higher revenue per visitor-days.

I'm sure there will be a bunch of people who say this will never happen and I would have agreed with them 100% just a few years ago. Now I do wonder if we see that day....
 
I really wonder if the future of WDW is making the parks exclusive to on site resort guests to include a limited number of partner hotels and even eliminates AP's altogether. Essentially, your ticket is built into your hotel reservation and controlled through the park reservation system. This would give Disney even more power to manage crowds and give them higher revenue per visitor-days.

I'm sure there will be a bunch of people who say this will never happen and I would have agreed with them 100% just a few years ago. Now I do wonder if we see that day....
the only reason i would say probably not, is that the amount of hotels, restaurants, ect that went under would be astronomical in central Florida, and i would assume that the state would step in with something to penalize Disney for even hinting at doing that. that being said, crazier things have happened
 
I really wonder if the future of WDW is making the parks exclusive to on site resort guests to include a limited number of partner hotels and even eliminates AP's altogether. Essentially, your ticket is built into your hotel reservation and controlled through the park reservation system. This would give Disney even more power to manage crowds and give them higher revenue per visitor-days.

I'm sure there will be a bunch of people who say this will never happen and I would have agreed with them 100% just a few years ago. Now I do wonder if we see that day....
How would that work with DVC?
 
I really wonder if the future of WDW is making the parks exclusive to on site resort guests to include a limited number of partner hotels and even eliminates AP's altogether. Essentially, your ticket is built into your hotel reservation and controlled through the park reservation system. This would give Disney even more power to manage crowds and give them higher revenue per visitor-days.

I'm sure there will be a bunch of people who say this will never happen and I would have agreed with them 100% just a few years ago. Now I do wonder if we see that day....

They will never get rid of Florida resident AP's. I've said this a couple times in other threads. Everytime the economy tanks who do you think they look to for revenue? Also, there are not enough onsite rooms to sustain the parks
 
Should someone staying at. $79 Hojo 20.minutes away get the same chance at Space220 or GotG as someone spending $1k club level GF? In my opinion the answer is no.
How about the family about to buy that $25,000,000 house for sale in Windermere, FL just a few minutes from Disney World? Go to Zillow or Redfin and set a minimum price of say, $2,000,000 and then look at all the homes for sale. I think if you categorize all off-site guests as those staying at a "$79 Hojo", then you have very little idea of what is in the neighborhoods around Disney World. For some reason, I see a lot of people assuming the "locals" or those guests who stay off-site are all financially struggling. Trust me, many come from far away who are financially challenged too. Many, many of these "locals" are wealthy people have homes nearby. Many came just to live near Disney and enjoy annual passes. Did you ever think that maybe the reason Disney is having such a problem getting bus drivers, hotel workers and food service workers might be because the cost of housing nearby vastly outstrips the pay scales? Disney World has a whole mix of guests. The on-site guests get enough favors from Disney; they keep coming back. By the way, Disney calls the family staying in the "$79 Hojo" the same name they call the $1k club level GF person who goes to the parks: they are all "guests."
 
They will never get rid of Florida resident AP's. I've said this a couple times in other threads. Everytime the economy tanks who do you think they look to for revenue? Also, there are not enough onsite rooms to sustain the parks
I tend to agree, seems like offsite-stay traffic is of tremendous benefit to Disney either way.

However, it would be an an interesting exercise to see the impact beyond local AP holders (Population Increase in Orlando), how much home rentals (AirBNB, VRBO, and others), non-Disney Timeshares, Partner Hotels, and external hotel/resort build-up over the last few decades have contributed to the attendance demand. I often feel like the claim is that Disney overbuilt onsite as the main problem - no doubt they took advantage of being able to serve a larger audience - but don't know all the numbers.
 
I really wonder if the future of WDW is making the parks exclusive to on site resort guests to include a limited number of partner hotels and even eliminates AP's altogether. Essentially, your ticket is built into your hotel reservation and controlled through the park reservation system. This would give Disney even more power to manage crowds and give them higher revenue per visitor-days.

I'm sure there will be a bunch of people who say this will never happen and I would have agreed with them 100% just a few years ago. Now I do wonder if we see that day....
Their on-site accommodation capacity is still far from sufficient to fill the parks. Even with their partner hotels and these crowd levels they are very far away from being able to be an exclusive onsite business.
I also notice, NavyDad, that you likely would continue to have access to Shades of Green even if that happened.
But, to many, many serious Disney fans, a Disney World that was exclusively on-site only would be a tragedy.
Perhaps we should not feed the trolls.
 
I tend to agree, seems like offsite-stay traffic is of tremendous benefit to Disney either way.

However, it would be an an interesting exercise to see the impact beyond local AP holders (Population Increase in Orlando), how much home rentals (AirBNB, VRBO, and others), non-Disney Timeshares, Partner Hotels, and external hotel/resort build-up over the last few decades have contributed to the attendance demand. I often feel like the claim is that Disney overbuilt onsite as the main problem - no doubt they took advantage of being able to serve a larger audience - but don't know all the numbers.
You are right on the money considering this. I have driven many of those neighborhoods, like out by Davenport. You would not believe the amount of construction going on around Disney. I wonder how many people started working from home and decided to move to Central Florida and work from home?
 
How about the family about to buy that $25,000,000 house for sale in Windermere, FL just a few minutes from Disney World? Go to Zillow or Redfin and set a minimum price of say, $2,000,000 and then look at all the homes for sale. I think if you categorize all off-site guests as those staying at a "$79 Hojo", then you have very little idea of what is in the neighborhoods around Disney World. For some reason, I see a lot of people assuming the "locals" or those guests who stay off-site are all financially struggling. Trust me, many come from far away who are financially challenged too. Many, many of these "locals" are wealthy people have homes nearby. Many came just to live near Disney and enjoy annual passes. Did you ever think that maybe the reason Disney is having such a problem getting bus drivers, hotel workers and food service workers might be because the cost of housing nearby vastly outstrips the pay scales? Disney World has a whole mix of guests. The on-site guests get enough favors from Disney; they keep coming back. By the way, Disney calls the family staying in the "$79 Hojo" the same name they call the $1k club level GF person who goes to the parks: they are all "guests."
Omg this a 100%! Glad someone else said it! We could easily afford to stay onsite if we wanted to but why on earth would I want to give up our timeshare with a full kitchen, laundry room, 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms etc for what Disney tries to pass off as “deluxe” rooms and stale pastries at club level? We probably spend more on the 2 table service meals we do per day and merch than some people spend per night at the value resorts.
 
How about the family about to buy that $25,000,000 house for sale in Windermere, FL just a few minutes from Disney World? Go to Zillow or Redfin and set a minimum price of say, $2,000,000 and then look at all the homes for sale. I think if you categorize all off-site guests as those staying at a "$79 Hojo", then you have very little idea of what is in the neighborhoods around Disney World. For some reason, I see a lot of people assuming the "locals" or those guests who stay off-site are all financially struggling. Trust me, many come from far away who are financially challenged too. Many, many of these "locals" are wealthy people have homes nearby. Many came just to live near Disney and enjoy annual passes. Did you ever think that maybe the reason Disney is having such a problem getting bus drivers, hotel workers and food service workers might be because the cost of housing nearby vastly outstrips the pay scales? Disney World has a whole mix of guests. The on-site guests get enough favors from Disney; they keep coming back. By the way, Disney calls the family staying in the "$79 Hojo" the same name they call the $1k club level GF person who goes to the parks: they are all "guests."
I agree with you 100%. When I stayed offsite, I was at my grandma's house and she lived about an hour away from Disney and Universal. I loved staying at her house while going to the parks even if the drive was long. My sister and I had our own rooms and her home had a pool. She doesn't live there anymore but if she did I would absolutely stay with her over a deluxe resort. Not only because it's cheaper (wasn't free either) but the fact that our family had our own place to stay. Like I said in my previous posts, I was able to work around the on site perks like Fastpass+ and if anything with Genie+ you could just do an evening stack and skip early entry if it came down to it. I do think people staying onsite should get certain perks like first access to dining and early entry. It's an incentive to stay at their resorts.
 
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