(No politics!!) how impacted will Guardians in Epcot be now?

[MickeyMinnieMom]

This is part of my issue with all of these old tweets from several people coming to light. Its always said that employers and what not search individuals social media. Well with this all happening is that really true or do they just not look that far back? Also who is digging up all these tweets? Do people have nothing better to do with their lives?

They might not have anything better to do, but I don't think that's the point. These people said these things -- period. I have a hard time believing Disney didn't know it. They likely dismissed it. Now there's renewed scrutiny so they're changing their tune.

I have little sympathy for this fickle, hypocritical industry -- any fallout from at any point accepting what should be intolerable is deserved IMO.

There's no statute of limitations on a PR problem -- that's the calculation here -- nothing more: will enough people care to hurt our brand? RIGHT NOW the answer is yes. Yesterday it was no and tomorrow, who knows?

My general issue is that people are owed due process with accusations. This isn't that type of situation -- he admits to the tweets -- about PEDOPHILIA. Why should Disney take a chance with its brand?

 

[larry47591]

So that goes back to why aren't companies (and sports teams) seeing this sooner or do they not care as much as they say?

I’m sure they knew. Of course disney or any other organization knows what they are getting into when this kind of money is involved. It just wasn’t a problem till it was made into one. It’s the walk on egg shells generation now.

 

[JaxDad]

Was she being truthful in her disparaging?

I don't recall the specifics, but it was essentially an opinion piece. The client government agency would certainly not have considered her opinion "truthful."

I definitely did not question her right to express her opinion. We just couldn't afford to have it attached to our company.

 

[rteetz]

I’m sure they knew. Of course disney or any other organization knows what they are getting into when this kind of money is involved. It just wasn’t a problem till it was made into one. It’s the walk on egg shells generation now.

I think that is the bigger problem with all of this coming out. Companies know these things yet it doesn't matter until its an issue. Disney shouldn't get a free pass if they knew about this but didn't really care.

 

[Tigger's ally]

Lets stay on topic please.

I was making a point, just like you were doing both before and after my post. I'm cool if you take these "tweets" "jokes" posts and make a new thread out of it, but if it continues here, don't blame me for commenting on it just like everyone else is.

 

[rteetz]

They might not have anything better to do, but I don't think that's the point. These people said these things -- period. I have a hard time believing Disney didn't know it. They likely dismissed it. Now there's renewed scrutiny so they're changing their tune.

I have little sympathy for this fickle, hypocritical industry -- any fallout from at any point accepting what should be intolerable is deserved IMO.

There's no statute of limitations on a PR problem -- that's the calculation here -- nothing more: will enough people care to hurt our brand? RIGHT NOW the answer is yes. Yesterday it was no and tomorrow, who knows?

My general issue is that people are owed due process with accusations. This isn't that type of situation -- he admits to the tweets -- about PEDOPHILIA. Why should Disney take a chance with its brand?

Do people deserve second chances though? I believe people do change over time and even at the time he tweeted those things he may have not been a believer of those things. I think an investigation would have been better than just quick trigger firing. Put him on suspension or something during the investigation.

 

[rteetz]

I was making a point, just like you were doing both before and after my post. I'm cool if you take these "tweets" "jokes" posts and make a new thread out of it, but if it continues here, don't blame me for commenting on it just like everyone else is.

It is not relevant to the James Gunn discussion. You can private message the poster if you want to know more. We can take this discussion elsewhere too.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Do people deserve second chances though? I believe people do change over time and even at the time he tweeted those things he may have not been a believer of those things. I think an investigation would have been better than just quick trigger firing. Put him on suspension or something during the investigation.

What exactly needs to be investigated? He wrote the tweets. Are we going to investigate whether he actually engaged in pedophilia?? Whether he is now fully reformed wrt tweeting about pedophilia??

And we can argue about what people deserve all day (though you and I might actually agree in practice!). This is a business decision -- period. Disney has to gauge risk/reward in keeping someone who once joked about PEDOPHILIA but is now an awesome person (let's stipulate).

 

[rteetz]

What exactly needs to be investigated? He wrote the tweets. Are we going to investigate whether he actually engaged in pedophilia?? Whether he is now fully reformed wrt tweeting about pedophilia??

And we can argue about what people deserve all day (though you and I might actually agree in practice!). This is a business decision -- period. Disney has to gauge risk/reward in keeping someone who once joked about PEDOPHILIA but is now an awesome person (let's stipulate).

This goes back to my point earlier. Why is it a problem now if it wasn't when they hired him? Would Disney actually lose business if they didn't fire him? I am not sure. I think people are standing behind Gunn right now and they may lose business with that as well.

I just have an issue with people digging up Tweets from 5+ years ago. People are in different positions of work at these times and at different stages of their life and may be un-wise. People do change over 5+ years. I know for sure things I believed or thought 5 years ago I don't today. And if these old tweets are such issues why didn't employers find this and do something sooner.

 

[Phicinfan]

Honestly, no. I think it is done for this - but perhaps helps him get another job on another project and I just hope this helps for the next time that something like this happens that a) people think before they post on social media anddi b) maybe there is more analysis before actions are taken - or at least people are more understanding of companies taking a bit of a "wait and let's do some digging before acting"

Feels like Disney pulled the trigger on this pretty fast - wasn't like it was weeks of people petitioning them to fire him or anything. I can't help but think part of that quick reaction was in response to how much they got hammered by not getting rid of Lasseter faster and letting him do the whole "Hiatus" thing. And also just how other places seem to get hammered if they don't act quickly and get praised when they do .... hopefully this can help ease that need for and instant pound of flesh

Not sure this is the end....I smell a search for return.....

There is no doubt in my mind that Disney, or at least Marvel knew of this letter and it coming out. I wonder if this is a balloon....floating to see reaction.

I haven't really commented on any of this, as I have a major issues with pulling out some young persons stupid mistakes after they have reached success. Were the comments in poor taste, absolutely, has the person apologized and taken responsibility ...yes. At some point, there needs to be forgiveness to help solve some of these issues. Mistakes are made, we are human. He didn't deny it, he admitted the mistake.

I could see Disney coming back, offering a rehire after proof of some kind of sensitivity training. Lets face it, as some here have said Disney was a bit quick on the reaction here.

 

[zebrastreyepz]

Not sure this is the end....I smell a search for return.....

There is no doubt in my mind that Disney, or at least Marvel knew of this letter and it coming out. I wonder if this is a balloon....floating to see reaction.

I haven't really commented on any of this, as I have a major issues with pulling out some young persons stupid mistakes after they have reached success. Were the comments in poor taste, absolutely, has the person apologized and taken responsibility ...yes. At some point, there needs to be forgiveness to help solve some of these issues. Mistakes are made, we are human. He didn't deny it, he admitted the mistake.

I could see Disney coming back, offering a rehire after proof of some kind of sensitivity training. Lets face it, as some here have said Disney was a bit quick on the reaction here.

Except he wasn't a young person when he said it. He was a grown adult who knew better.

 

[Phicinfan]

Except he wasn't a young person when he said it. He was a grown adult who knew better.

Sorry you feel that way. I believe in second chances, I believe folks make mistakes and can learn from them, when given the chance.

This was strictly a shock reaction by Disney, to a point I would say they had to due to the reaction to Roseanne and her tweets and comments. I happen to think this could be a huge benefit to go back and offer counseling instead to heal the issue.

 

[zebrastreyepz]

It's hell when our sacred cows in Hollywood get tipped over.

Anyone looking for the "why" this happened now it is connected to Hutton Hiddleston.

Disney was getting ahead of a mess.

And no, I don't expect the Guardians coaster or the future movies to be in jeopardy at all.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Except he wasn't a young person when he said it. He was a grown adult who knew better.

but he was part of a comedy group that went for "shock value" which was a thing back at the time ... plus why is growth only allowed when you are young? Why can't you still grown and learn in your 40s? As someone who is 40 I hope I am a better person at 50 than I am today

 

[zebrastreyepz]

Sorry you feel that way. I believe in second chances, I believe folks make mistakes and can learn from them, when given the chance.

This was strictly a shock reaction by Disney, to a point I would say they had to due to the reaction to Roseanne and her tweets and comments. I happen to think this could be a huge benefit to go back and offer counseling instead to heal the issue.

As the survivor of the things he was making light of, I'm not interested in his well being.

And don't feel sorry for me at all like I'm somehow unenlightened.

 

[Phicinfan]

It's hell when our sacred cows in Hollywood get tipped over.

Anyone looking for the "why" this happened now it is connected to Hutton Hiddleston.

Disney was getting ahead of a mess.

And no, I don't expect the Guardians coaster or the future movies to be in jeopardy at all.

okay I give, who is Hutton hiddleston?

 

[rteetz]

Disney was getting ahead of a mess.

I don't believe they get a pass for this. If they were getting ahead of a mess they would've never hired him.

 

[zebrastreyepz]

but he was part of a comedy group that went for "shock value" which was a thing back at the time ... plus why is growth only allowed when you are young? Why can't you still grown and learn in your 40s? As someone who is 40 I hope I am a better person at 50 than I am today

Shock value is nothing new.

There was a famous DJ back in the 60s that got fired for saying if women's skirts got any shorter .... well, I won't complete it but this is nothing new.

The difference is that back then the audience EXPECTED him to be fired. Now we want to wring our hands and offer excuses.

 

[Phicinfan]

As the survivor of the things he was making light of, I'm not interested in his well being.

And don't feel sorry for me at all like I'm somehow unenlightened.

Sorry for that then, I still feel folks deserve 2nd chances

 

[zebrastreyepz]

okay I give, who is Hutton hiddleston?

His friend who got busted for child porn.

@rteetz Not necessarily true.