No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[P'colaBeachBum]

nanny state- the government ( in this instance, the corporation) regarded as overprotective or as interfering unduly with personal choice

Good Grief...that is a stretch. Disney is not saying you cannot smoke...they just changed where the DSA's are. You can still smoke at the DSA's at their resorts. My personal choice is to not breathe cigarette smoke while in line for food or a ride.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I can’t use the patches or the gum. I tried. Chantix helped me quit before and what I will use again.

But don’t assume that someone younger than your dad either doesn’t have the guts, the courage or the motivation. It’s not the same for everyone. I would never assume that one heroin addict can “just quit” because another was able to and never look back.

The poster did say wean off.

Different chemicals react differently.

If you're a true alcoholic you should not quit cold turkey because you can kill yourself. Your body has become dependent on it for nutrients your brain has completely altered itself to intake alcohol as part of your normal diet.

If you're addicted to cigarettes you can quit cold turkey. It may not be easy. It may be extremely difficult. You may have withdrawl symptoms. It may not be the recommended route for all addicted.

If you're addicted to caffeine you can quit cold turkey. It may not be easy it may be extremely difficult. You may have withdrawl symptoms. Caffeine while very addicting to many people have less overall impact to their body with the average amount consumed.

If you're addicted to heroin it is not recommended to quit cold turkey alone. This is because the withdrawl symptoms can be severe much more severe than tobacco and high chance of relapse leading to overdose because of how your body adjusted to it. A medical detox is recommended with rehab.

Equating quiting heroin (and it wasn't the first time you brought up heroin) to quiting cigarettes can be seen just as a way to divert the attention away from what's being said (and I say the respectfully).

The issue isn't asking someone to just up and quit a substance because the substance in question isn't the same as another substance. I wouldn't advise an alcoholic to just up and quit especially without medical assistance. Same for heroin addicts.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

Well I realize how smoke works.

I wasn’t asking about the ones in Epcot but blew down to Japan from where?

Small covered area next door to you is very different than what I described. It was a dead end path. No reason to go anywhere near it unles you were a smoker. There was no way it was bothersome to non smokers unless anyone was looking for a reason to be bothered.

Actually it is the same. The one in Epcot is near Italy. On a breezy day that smell went everywhere.

For the record...DIS stock is up! Glad I bought shares when I did.

 

[Disneychick75]

Can’t say I don’t agree with you. I have been less than happy with some of their decisions since FP+, honestly. The money grabs are just too much. And someone will say “but you don’t have to pay for any of those things”. But we all know that for a “magical” trip like those of yesteryear you have to fork over those nickels and dimes.

As for rule changes, we had at least 3 different threads across the boards going for pages and pages with many angry about straws and plastic bags.

Charging to park almost caused a revolt!

Reducing hours so they can have more extra ticket events (more of those nickels and dimes). Oh wait, and posters have the nerve to complain when they pay for these things and should have the whole of fantasy land but end up with one ride because the rest are down but they should just happily continue to fork over money and feel the pixie dust. I mean after all Disney doesn’t guarantee anything for your $$$$$.

Add this? Yep just about too much. Other places, wouldn’t have an issue with it so much because the rest of their rules and policies, I am ok with and not so many money grabs, but Disney has just about crossed the line for us.

Agree, I think it's those of us who have gone to WDW for years (in my case, since 1973 or 74) who are upset. Those who have not experienced the changes do not understand how much once "magical" trips have been affected.

On our last trip, I booked a VIP group tour. Told the guide at the time that it was a shame that what we used to be able to do with the old FP system now cost over $1000.

 

[Disneychick75]

I do remember when smoking was allowed in more places I shouldn't say EVER that was a bit of an exaggeration but I am surprised this change didn't come sooner, especially considering how Walt died

Roy Disney was in charge for a longer time than Walt was and he died from stomach cancer. Alcohol and high fat, highly salted foods, along with smoked are thought to be contributing factors. So, using your logic, Disney should not serve alcohol, fries, chips, smoked meats/cheeses, etc. Basically the restaurants need fully revamped menus.

 

[SaraJR]

Roy Disney was in charge for a longer time than Walt was and he died from stomach cancer. Alcohol and high fat, highly salted foods, along with smoked are thought to be contributing factors. So, using your logic, Disney should not serve alcohol, fries, chips, smoked meats/cheeses, etc. Basically the restaurants need fully revamped menus.

With stretches like that, you must be great at yoga lol jk kinda. But you didn't answer to explain why you feel entitled to smoking spots like why it's so outrageous to you?

 

[amberpi]

You can still smoke. Just not inside Disney parks.

And some people will take their money where they feel welcome, and that's fine too. WDW has just made vacationing SO annoying that for some smokers this will be the straw that broke the camel's back - it IS the nanny state. So for my immediate family, and my extended family, it's an easy decision to just stop going. We all went multiple times a year and not on a budget, but we are the minority, and can accept that. I think they made this change when they did because the SW fans (of which I am certainly one and I wish they hadn't made this change until I got see the new land) will cover any loss of business some disgruntled smokers WILL produce. But, we've got DLP, and Universal, so the kids won't be too deprived...lol. When DH finally gives up the smoking, we'll go back, at least to Epcot, but for some of us, this news was kinda heartbreaking as I LOVE Illuminations and won't get to see it again. That's upsetting but most certainly not the end of the world. I'm fine with saying "take a hike (but in much more adult terms)" to WDW if they don't want my DH in their parks, we won't be. Universal is having no issue taking his money and he can even go INSIDE the parks there

 

[Allison]

ut I am surprised this change didn't come sooner, especially considering how Walt died

He died well over 50 years ago. How he died has never been an issue in over half a century.

 

[SaraJR]

He died well over 50 years ago. How he died has never been an issue in over half a century.

I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. Walt was a heavy smoker who died of lung cancer so I am surprised that Disney didn't do away with smoking sooner especially as anti-smoking laws are spreading globally

 

[Disneychick75]

With stretches like that, you must be great at yoga lol jk kinda. But you didn't answer to explain why you feel entitled to smoking spots like why it's so outrageous to you?

Yes, fyi, I am a yoga enthusiast. Entitled, lol, sugar, that's a term more applicable to your age group. Maybe read one of my previous posts.
And I gave up smoking as of today. This is not about my smoking.

 

[SaraJR]

Yes, fyi, I am a yoga enthusiast. Entitled, lol, sugar, that's a term more applicable to your age group. Maybe read one of my previous posts.

I have read your posts, I still don't get why you seem to think you are entitled to smoke on disney property or why this move seems so outrageous to you.
Many places are banning smoking :
https://globalnews.ca/news/271458/5-countries-with-strict-smoking-bans/

 

[RamblingMad]

Roy Disney was in charge for a longer time than Walt was and he died from stomach cancer. Alcohol and high fat, highly salted foods, along with smoked are thought to be contributing factors. So, using your logic, Disney should not serve alcohol, fries, chips, smoked meats/cheeses, etc. Basically the restaurants need fully revamped menus.

Well, Walt Disney did smoke.

What we're seeing is a push toward more healthy habits via taxation. The sugar tax is a good example. And it surprisingly works just like carbon taxes have worked.

 

[Allison]

I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. Walt was a heavy smoker who died of lung cancer so I am surprised that Disney didn't do away with smoking sooner especially as anti-smoking laws are spreading globally

I didn't misunderstand anything. Why would you be surprised? As I said, it hasn't been an issue ever. Disney isn't going to make corporate decisions based on how Walt died.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes, fyi, I am a yoga enthusiast. Entitled, lol, sugar, that's a term more applicable to your age group. Maybe read one of my previous posts.

Completely for the thread but I dislike that for whatever reason entitled has lost its original meaning. Instead of it being applied to persons exhibiting characteristics associated with the definition of it it's applied to entire generations (Millennials and Gen Zs most frequently these days).

Either way it would be lovely if it would go back to the original application. Individual people are entitled, not everyone of an entire generation(s). Entitled individuals exist in all generations.

 

[SaraJR]

I didn't misunderstand anything. Why would you be surprised? As I said, it hasn't been an issue ever. Disney isn't going to make corporate decisions based on how Walt died.

To me that view is surprising. I would have thought as other places began cracking down on smoking they too would have considering Walts death and the park having so many kids. Maybe to you, it's not surprising but to me it really is.
I found it super strange when I went that they allowed smoking.

 

[Allison]

To me that view is surprising. I would have thought as other places began cracking down on smoking they too would have considering Walts death and the park having so many kids. Maybe to you, it's not surprising but to me it really is.
I found it super strange when I went that they allowed smoking.

They did begin making changes years ago. They used to have more designated areas, you used to be able to smoke on your balcony, you used to be able to smoke in your resort room and you had to ask for a non-smoking room. They have evolved along side other places. They have never really been behind the times with what is allowed as far as smoking goes.

You are assigning the concept of sentiment to a corporation. Disney is a corporation that takes into account current cultural norms and answers to shareholders.

 

[StageTek]

Two things I very much enjoyed:
After Illuminations I would head over to Germany grab a Schöfferhofer and then over to Italy to smoke a cigar.
Towards the end of the day I would head over to Big Thunder and sit on a rocking chair by the water and smoke a cigar.

A nice way to pass the time at park close to miss the rush at the bus stop.

 

[SaraJR]

They did begin making changes years ago. They used to have more designated areas, you used to be able to smoke on your balcony, you used to be able to smoke in your resort room and you had to ask for a non-smoking room. They have evolved along side other places. They have never really been behind the times with what is allowed as far as smoking goes.

You are assigning the concept of sentiment to a corporation. Disney is a corporation that takes into account current cultural norms and answers to shareholders.

That makes more sense thanks.

 

[Allison]

That makes more sense thanks.

Some of us are old enough to remember these changes. LOL.

I never flew during the days of smoking on a plane. I can't imagine how much I would have hated that.

 

[SaraJR]

Some of us are old enough to remember these changes. LOL.

I never flew during the days of smoking on a plane. I can't imagine how much I would have hated that.

OMG when i found out that was a thing I was so shocke that would be AWFUL