No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[cabanafrau]

Not true. Many people have their tickets purchased, gift cards purchased, airfare purchased....all non refundable. Yes, if anyone books a trip to Disney after last Thursday, then yes they have no right to complain. They way Disney is set up to make your plans well in advance. they need to give notice well in advance too. Its only fair.

In the past people have made all of those arrangements to stay at a monorail resort and arrived to find the monorail not being operational during a significant portion of the day -- an actual paid amenity of the resort they booked, with Disney not having given notice that this change of schedule would take place during their visit. The replies found here to customers disgruntled about the lack of any notice from Disney were that the onus was on the customer to keep tabs on updates because the information was on the internet if they'd kept an eye on Disney's updates.

Certainly smokers deserve more notice, wouldn't want to be unfair to them.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

A tad over dramatic, and stalker-ish.

Im sure someone will be at the grocery store within the next month to buy some bags. If they are on property and dont have a car, I would assume they dont have a freeser either to freese the ice.

Stalkerish lordy I've got no clue where you're going with that. I just had my coffee my mind isn't set up for nefarious thoughts yet

When I'm describing my comments I'm framing them like various posters have with respects to the DSAs outside the park and the inconveniences, the money lost, the time spent on their vacation doing xyz. All that can be true for the ice issue. You said it would have little impact on people. I described how it could have a decent impact on someone.

Why would you assume someone will be at the grocery store next month to buy some bags? I'm talking about being there already. Plus maybe you brought some already but it wasn't enough so now you need more.

What do you mean by if they are on property and don't have a car you assume they don't have a freezer either to freeze the ice. I'm not seeing the connection with that at all .

 

[LSUmiss]

Would ppl have such enabling attitudes about any other addictions...opiates, alcohol, etc? Empathy is one thing. I can imagine it sucks, but I don’t think it should be accommodated. I think that is part of the problem is that for so long smoking has been an acceptable addiction. Would ppl have the same attitude if dad had to get intoxicated by alcohol to the point of throwing up & passing out b/c it’s what he likes to do & it’s an addiction so he can’t help it. Of course not! Empathetic ppl would say oh he needs help. No one would expect wdw or any other destination to accommodate his addiction. In fact, there would probably be outrage by the family members of the addicts if they did. So many ppl have given examples of the ways & specific scenarios in which they enjoy their addiction to smoking. Perhaps that contributes to making it harder to quit. For many on this thread, it doesn’t sound like they even want to quit & that’s a personal choice. But, no one should have to accommodate that choice. An addict will often do anything to get their fix so walking to the front of a theme park is nothing compared to say panhandling on a street corner for money (or worse).

 

[Hikergirl]

Seems misguided to worry about the money smokers will "throw away" on a vacation they choose not to go on, when they willingly pay thousands of dollars to engage in an activity that will end up killing them.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

In the past people have made all of those arrangements to stay at a monorail resort and arrived to find the monorail not being operational during a significant portion of the day -- an actual paid amenity of the resort they booked, with Disney not having given notice that this change of schedule would take place during their visit. The replies found here to customers disgruntled about the lack of any notice from Disney were that the onus was on the customer to keep tabs on updates because the information was on the internet if they'd kept an eye on Disney's updates.

Certainly smokers deserve more notice, wouldn't want to be unfair to them.

Also Friendship Boats service from BoardWalk, Yacht and Beach Club and Swan & Dolphin have all been impacted to get to Hollywood Studios first because of bridge refurb and then because of Skyliner construction.

They did have a bus that took you there. I'm sure at least some people specifically booked those resorts with the intention of using the Friendship Boats and now they had to use a bus. IIRC it was announced something like a week and a half in advance for the bridge refurb don't remember about Skyliner contruction.

 

[DISNEY1975]

In the past people have made all of those arrangements to stay at a monorail resort and arrived to find the monorail not being operational during a significant portion of the day -- an actual paid amenity of the resort they booked, with Disney not having given notice that this change of schedule would take place during their visit. The replies found here to customers disgruntled about the lack of any notice from Disney were that the onus was on the customer to keep tabs on updates because the information was on the internet if they'd kept an eye on Disney's updates.

Certainly smokers deserve more notice, wouldn't want to be unfair to them.

Ive been a victim of the out of service monorail more times than, well, Ive probably been on the monorail. Yes its a paid amenity and yes Ive been upset..same for coming back from a park and not finding any parking..and going to a pool and not finding a lounger. Do I have the right to be upset? Yes. Did I do anything..no. I just walked to the TTC or ferry. But I still can be upset about it. Just like smokers, ice bringers, wagon users have the right to be upset. I dont then go onto a forum and say

I just wish people would be a little more mature and either say nothing, or say "Sorry this is affecting you". The end. Its so simple... yet..... someone Im sure will quote this post and put their own spin on it.

 

[cabanafrau]

Ive been a victim of the out of service monorail more times than, well, Ive probably been on the monorail. Yes its a paid amenity and yes Ive been upset..same for coming back from a park and not finding any parking..and going to a pool and not finding a lounger. Do I have the right to be upset? Yes. Did I do anything..no. I just walked to the TTC or ferry. But I still can be upset about it. Just like smokers, ice bringers, wagon users have the right to be upset. I dont then go onto a forum and say View attachment 392058

I just wish people would be a little more mature and either say nothing, or say "Sorry this is affecting you". The end. Its so simple... yet..... someone Im sure will quote this post and put their own spin on it.

My point is people paid a premium to stay at a monorail resort, yet they were basically told by many people to kick rocks in regard to the monorail being out of service for a significant portion of the day. It was acceptable to tell those guests who PAID a premium specifically to utilize that amenity to conveniently return to their room during the day that the obligation fell on them to check regularly before their trip to be informed whether Disney scheduled any operational changes during their stay.

Smokers paid nothing to use the in park DSAs. Still will have to pay nothing to use the park adjacent DSAs. They're getting over a month's notice.

 

[LongLiveRafiki]

Because goodness, those poor smokers have no choice in what they choose to do.

I'm not saying they don't have a choice. My response was in regards to how this ban can negatively impact the park experience for people whose trips are already paid for. Sure, I guess you could argue that they could choose to not smoke at all and thus not be impacted by having to go outside the gates to smoke, but that's not what they were expecting when they planned and paid for the trip. Yes, Disney is notorious for announcing things at the last minute. Yes, all of those announcements affect others in their planning too. I'm not arguing that they don't. Some people seem to just be of the mindset that it shouldn't be a big deal, and that's what I take issue with. If it doesn't affect you, that's great, but for others, it might be a big deal. Yes, they will have to make the choice of whether to keep smoking and go outside the gates, or to abstain throughout the day, or not go at all. I think smokers all understand that they need to now make that choice, but it doesn't mean it's easy for them or something that's no big deal.

 

[Hikergirl]

I just wish people would be a little more mature and either say nothing, or say "Sorry this is affecting you". The end. Its so simple... yet..... someone Im sure will quote this post and put their own spin on it.

This policy effects all people, some negatively, the smokers and some positively, the non-smokers.
This is a discussion board so it stands to reason that people in both those categories are gong to be discussing this change.

 

[cabanafrau]

I'm not saying they don't have a choice. My response was in regards to how this ban can negatively impact the park experience for people whose trips are already paid for. Sure, I guess you could argue that they could choose to not smoke at all and thus not be impacted by having to go outside the gates to smoke, but that's not what they were expecting when they planned and paid for the trip. Yes, Disney is notorious for announcing things at the last minute. Yes, all of those announcements affect others in their planning too. I'm not arguing that they don't. Some people seem to just be of the mindset that it shouldn't be a big deal, and that's what I take issue with. If it doesn't affect you, that's great, but for others, it might be a big deal. Yes, they will have to make the choice of whether to keep smoking and go outside the gates, or to abstain throughout the day, or not go at all. I think smokers all understand that they need to now make that choice, but it doesn't mean it's easy for them or something that's no big deal.

But people on this very same site repeatedly told guests frustrated about the monorail being shutdown for a significant portion of the day during their stay that the burden was on them to keep abreast of Disney's operational updates ahead of their trip. Many of these people booked a stay at a monorail resort, paying the commensurate premium for the amenity, specifically with the idea that the monorail would make their daily itinerary convenient and allow them to travel the parks as they planned. Disney never charged smokers for the DSA's.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

This policy effects all people, some negatively, the smokers and some positively, the non-smokers.
This is a discussion board so it stands to reason that people in both those categories are gong to be discussing this change.

I was reading on a different thread over on the Disneyland side.

The poster said: "They {I assume they mean DLR CMs} have been receiving a lot of interaction regarding these changes. They agreed that the negative commenters are the loudest. But (and I found this interesting) they agreed that most of the response has been quite positive."

 

[DISNEY1975]

My point is people paid a premium to stay at a monorail resort, yet they were basically told by many people to kick rocks in regard to the monorail being out of service for a significant portion of the day. It was acceptable to tell those guests who PAID a premium specifically to utilize that amenity to conveniently return to their room during the day that the obligation fell on them to check regularly before their trip to be informed whether Disney scheduled any operational changes during their stay.

Smokers paid nothing to use the in park DSAs. Still will have to pay nothing to use the park adjacent DSAs. They're getting over a month's notice.

Ughhh...

Monorail resort guests could still get back to their resort easily by using the ferry. In one case, I walked to the TTC from the Poly only to find out the Epcot monorail was also down, but there were buses to take me. I still got transportation to where I needed to go. I know Disney makes accomodations for guest.

Smokers, and wagon users and monorail guests, and everyone else looking forward to something and spend a lot of money for what they think will be an enyoyable trip HAVE THE RIGHT to be upset. Nobody needs to add their 2 cents on why they have no right and just need to deal with it. Yes, they will have to deal with it, but I personally feel sorry for anyone who spends money thinking their getting something they are not. Monorail guests included. Its unfair and Disney should have given more notice. I know as a TA, we get a pop up of all refurbs when a guest books. It is my responsibility to tell them. A assume Disney Travel Company has the same pop up. Just like the airlines sends notifications of flight changes and offers something different or a full refund. Disney send notification of anything that can impact a guests stay. The difference is they dont offer a refund of any components not connected to the resort, which is unfair knowing there are many.

Smokers paid to spend a day in the park and the ability to have a cigarette without having to walk miles. The same if you paid for a day in the park and Disney announced every 3 rides, you will need to exit the park and reenter. How many times do you want to do that every day? Whether people like it or agree with it or not, that is what they just did to smokers.

 

[Hikergirl]

I was reading on a different thread over on the Disneyland side.

The poster said: "They {I assume they mean DLR CMs} have been receiving a lot of interaction regarding these changes. They agreed that the negative commenters are the loudest. But (and I found this interesting) they agreed that most of the response has been quite positive."

I can see that, I think in general people are more vocal when something impacts them in a negative way.
That certainly doesn't mean that they are the majority of people being effected though.

 

[Hikergirl]

Smokers paid to spend a day in the park and the ability to have a cigarette without having to walk miles. The same if you paid for a day in the park and Disney announced every 3 rides, you will need to exit the park and reenter. How many times do you want to do that every day? Whether people like it or agree with it or not, that is what they just did not smokers.

Full stop after the bolded.
Smokers paid to spend a day in the park. That is what Disney promised you with that ticket, period. Same as us non-smokers.

 

[cabanafrau]

Ughhh...

Monorail resort guests could still get back to their resort easily by using the ferry. In one case, I walked to the TTC from the Poly only to find out the Epcot monorail was also down, but there were buses to take me. I still got transportation to where I needed to go. I know Disney makes accomodations for guest.

Smokers, and wagon users and monorail guests, and everyone else looking forward to something and spend a lot of money for what they think will be an enyoyable trip HAVE THE RIGHT to be upset. Nobody needs to add their 2 cents on why they have no right and just need to deal with it. Yes, they will have to deal with it, but I personally feel sorry for anyone who spends money thinking their getting something they are not. Monorail guests included. Its unfair and Disney should have given more notice. I know as a TA, we get a pop up of all refurbs when a guest books. It is my responsibility to tell them. A assume Disney Travel Company has the same pop up. Just like the airlines sends notifications of flight changes and offers something different or a full refund. Disney send notification of anything that can impact a guests stay. The difference is they dont offer a refund of any components not connected to the resort, which is unfair knowing there are many.

Smokers paid to spend a day in the park and the ability to have a cigarette without having to walk miles. The same if you paid for a day in the park and Disney announced every 3 rides, you will need to exit the park and reenter. How many times do you want to do that every day? Whether people like it or agree with it or not, that is what they just did not smokers.

So you think the financial and time burdens incurred on Disney's policy change regarding monorail operational hours and smoking areas is in any way equivalent? i'd like to see how that comparison fares in something like an SAT essay grading system. Oh, maybe I see it now -- the park adjacent DSA's are equivalent to the ferries. Just leave out the pesky detail that those guests staying in monorail resorts are paying a premium for that amenity and smokers are paying absolutely no equivalent premium.

Ughhh???? Clearly you're extremely upset that everyone isn't agreeing with you.

 

[LongLiveRafiki]

My point is people paid a premium to stay at a monorail resort, yet they were basically told by many people to kick rocks in regard to the monorail being out of service for a significant portion of the day. It was acceptable to tell those guests who PAID a premium specifically to utilize that amenity to conveniently return to their room during the day that the obligation fell on them to check regularly before their trip to be informed whether Disney scheduled any operational changes during their stay.

Smokers paid nothing to use the in park DSAs. Still will have to pay nothing to use the park adjacent DSAs. They're getting over a month's notice.

Well, I can assure you that I am not someone who has told others to kick rocks over being affected by the monorail being down. Just because people did, doesn't mean it's okay. Everyone has different concerns and it's crappy of anyone to say that their concerns shouldn't matter.

I saw this after we booked our trip in 2017. CBR announced the construction and closing of the food court. A bunch of people on here insisted it was no big deal, that we need to just deal with it and it won't affect anyone since the construction won't start until after 9 and they'll have food trucks. Well to us, it was a big deal since we sleep late, have kids who would have been woken up early and been crabby, and were dealing with food allergies and special diets that the food trucks wouldn't have accommodated. To some people, the construction may not have been a big deal, to others, like us, it was.

The point is, it's not right for anyone to minimize the concerns of others. The DSA's don't personally affect me in the sense that I've never smoked inside the parks, but it would affect travelling companions which in turn affects me, and I can see how it is a big deal to some.

As to your comment about smokers not having to pay anything due to this change, it's really not any different than your monorail situation. People picked a resort specifically to use the monorail. Then they had to use other transportation. They aren't paying more than they were before. People may pick Disney knowing they can smoke inside the parks. Now they have to go outside. No, it doesn't cost them more to do so, just like it doesn't cost people more to use the buses or boats to get back to their resort. It's inconvenient in both situations and takes extra time. In the case of smokers, it can take more time out of enjoying the parks, which would then decrease the value of the ticket they paid for. Similarly, if someone is taking into account the value of using the monorail into their resort cost, not being able to use it decreases the value of what they are paying for the resort. It's really a similar situation. Just as people were upset about the monorail and any number of other last minute changes, it's natural for people to be upset over the last minute announcement of the smoking ban in the parks. No matter what the change, it doesn't make it right for people to try to say they shouldn't feel upset or that they're not impacted by the last minute notice.

 

[cabanafrau]

Well, I can assure you that I am not someone who has told others to kick rocks over being affected by the monorail being down. Just because people did, doesn't mean it's okay. Everyone has different concerns and it's crappy of anyone to say that their concerns shouldn't matter.

I saw this after we booked our trip in 2017. CBR announced the construction and closing of the food court. A bunch of people on here insisted it was no big deal, that we need to just deal with it and it won't affect anyone since the construction won't start until after 9 and they'll have food trucks. Well to us, it was a big deal since we sleep late, have kids who would have been woken up early and been crabby, and were dealing with food allergies and special diets that the food trucks wouldn't have accommodated. To some people, the construction may not have been a big deal, to others, like us, it was.

The point is, it's not right for anyone to minimize the concerns of others. The DSA's don't personally affect me in the sense that I've never smoked inside the parks, but it would affect travelling companions which in turn affects me, and I can see how it is a big deal to some.

As to your comment about smokers not having to pay anything due to this change, it's really not any different than your monorail situation. People picked a resort specifically to use the monorail. Then they had to use other transportation. They aren't paying more than they were before. People may pick Disney knowing they can smoke inside the parks. Now they have to go outside. No, it doesn't cost them more to do so, just like it doesn't cost people more to use the buses or boats to get back to their resort. It's inconvenient in both situations and takes extra time. In the case of smokers, it can take more time out of enjoying the parks, which would then decrease the value of the ticket they paid for. Similarly, if someone is taking into account the value of using the monorail into their resort cost, not being able to use it decreases the value of what they are paying for the resort. It's really a similar situation. Just as people were upset about the monorail and any number of other last minute changes, it's natural for people to be upset over the last minute announcement of the smoking ban in the parks. No matter what the change, it doesn't make it right for people to try to say they shouldn't feel upset or that they're not impacted by the last minute notice.

You believe a stay at a monorail resort doesn't come at a premium because it includes onsite monorail transportation? I suppose the resorts with direct connection to the upcoming gondola line won't see price increases associated with the gondola either? I suppose Disney has never and will never promote the convenience of resort direct monorail or gondola connections, not ever.

The idea of paying a premium for a specific hotel's amenities isn't WDW specific.

 

[DISNEY1975]

So you think the financial and time burdens incurred on Disney's policy change regarding monorail operational hours and smoking areas is in any way equivalent? i'd like to see how that comparison fares in something like an SAT essay grading system. Oh, maybe I see it now -- the park adjacent DSA's are equivalent to the ferries. Just leave out the pesky detail that those guests staying in monorail resorts are paying a premium for that amenity and smokers are paying absolutely no equivalent premium.

Ughhh???? Clearly you're extremely upset that everyone isn't agreeing with you.

The Ugghhh was because I just wrote that someone would quote and put a spin on what I said and less than 2 minutes later...you did! Clearly Im extremely upset? Far from it, so wrong again! Maybe Im frustrated that people in this world cant be understanding. So Ughhhhh.

 

[Colleen27]

The ability to smoking inside the parks is an experience people paid for?

It was a part of the experience they expected at the time they paid, yes.

Would ppl have such enabling attitudes about any other addictions...opiates, alcohol, etc?

I think legality is a fundamental difference, as is behavior while using the substance. It is ridiculous to compare a legal activity to illicit drugs. And although much is said about how drinkers are "only hurting themselves", while smoking is demonized because of the second-hand risks (which I agree is a serious concern in indoor venues, but not so much in the case of an outdoor DSA in a space the size of a Disney park), I don't know any smokers who have one too many and become belligerent, start a fight, or get nasty with other park-goers - all of which are things we hear about in the annual "avoid Food & Wine on weekends" rants.

But people on this very same site repeatedly told guests frustrated about the monorail being shutdown for a significant portion of the day during their stay that the burden was on them to keep abreast of Disney's operational updates ahead of their trip. Many of these people booked a stay at a monorail resort, paying the commensurate premium for the amenity, specifically with the idea that the monorail would make their daily itinerary convenient and allow them to travel the parks as they planned. Disney never charged smokers for the DSA's.

Yeah, but was it the same people? There is a contingent on these boards for whom Disney cannot do anything wrong but there are also plenty of people who have a problem with many of the operational changes of recent years. Personally, I think the unannounced pool and monorail closures, the lack of discounts or other consideration for guests who booked what they thought would be a relaxing resort only to end up in a construction site, the shrug-it-off response to inadequate resort transportation, and these last-minute policy changes on factors that impact the park experience for certain groups (smokers, families that pack lunches, those with multiple young kids) are all part of the same disappointing corporate philosophy that the individual guest experience doesn't matter much because guests are, ultimately, replaceable.

 

[cabanafrau]

The Ugghhh was because I just wrote that someone would quote and put a spin on what I said and less than 2 minutes later...you did! Clearly Im extremely upset? Far from it, so wrong again! Maybe Im frustrated that people in this world cant be understanding. So Ughhhhh.

A different viewpoint is a spin. Exclamation points are for emphasis, but most certainly do not indicate extreme upset. Expressing a different viewpoint is a lack of understanding, and only one viewpoint is worthy of understanding.