No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[luvsJack]

It is not that easy, and I find it extremely rude for you to say so! We will never agree on this issue, but I find your comments rude and hurtful to others.

I agree. Maybe she doesn’t intend to be but certainly the way it comes off.

As for smokers losing family time to go smoke, she has no clue about that. If I start feeling that anxiety and snapping at dh or whoever, it would be much better to lose at little time and smoke than to continue on.

 

[PollyannaMom]

I know a certain somebody who would be rolling in his grave right now!

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While searching for a picture to accompany that lame joke, I came across this article explaining why smoking pictures of Walt are hard to come by, along with the origin story for the two finger point. Is it true? I have no idea, but it was an interesting read if it is:

https://petapixel.com/2016/10/12/disneyland-used-photoshop-cigarettes-portraits-walt-disney/

I've definitely always heard/read that Walt didn't like for kids to see him smoking, but I've also heard/read that the two-fingered point is because one finger is a rude gesture in the countries of some guests.

 

[luvsJack]

I guess I’m curious what some of the smokers do in their workplace. A lot of work places are smoke free & do not allow smoke breaks. How do you get through a day & could not this same strategy work at wdw?

The campus I work for is smoke free. I drive off campus to smoke. I don’t go far and stay within a normal break time. If we are busy or something major going on, I don’t go. And I don’t go several times a day. Some days once, some days twice. Just depends.

At the hospital, the man who owns the adjoining land made the employees a little smoking area. It’s hidden in some trees. I am not sure how it works for the nurses to get to go out there. Perhaps just on their lunch break?

Most any employer gives you at least a lunch break, most smoke then. And in some areas, they can’t deny an employee a break. Most find a way to get off property.

Another local university is smoke free but they do have a little hidden place for employees to go. Since their campus is so large, maybe they figured that was better than them leaving campus for breaks.

 

[disneyseniors]

Thanks so much for that information!
Basically, they're not providing any accommodations for guests that will have to leave the parks to smoke.

Ok...so glad we changed our minds about becoming DVC members before it was too late.

PM me and I will give you the Disney site. I don't know if it is allowed to name other sites on here? You can find it and read the information which was sent to the person directly from guest services. She has a screen shot of the email.
I think it will be a pain for most people to double back twice to smoke and to stand in the lines too.
I am tired of people thinking just because you smoke, you are a 2nd class citizen with no rights, just right above a criminal! BTW, I Don't smoke, but I still see what is happening and think it is being done the wrong way. Just move the DSA's to a more obscure location, even move them inside, air conditioned and ventilation to direct the smoke away from others. The cost would outweigh the anger and bad press for Disney. Just my opinion.

 

[disneyseniors]

I wonder if that’s going to impact entrance lines now having X% of guests going through security for re-entry multiple times a day instead of just once upon arrival.

I think it would, IF the smokers actually go that far away to smoke. In all reality, I doubt it.
I can barely make it around a couple of times at the parks, some just once, but I don't smoke. If for some reason I had to make that trek, I wouldn't do it. Again I don't smoke. My father did and my brother does. My brother has tried to quit many times. He is a type A personality and can't sit still. He has tried all the gimmicks and treatments to no avail. Maybe some people can quit and that's great. However, many have a problem quitting this addiction.

 

[mnrose]

My Dad quit smoking at age 82....started smoking when he was in the Korean War in his late teens/early 20's when cigarettes were provided "free" to the troops and well before dangers were known.

He quit because he had no choice. He needed assisted living, then nursing home care, and NONE of them accepted smokers. NONE. I contacted many of them, and simply not an available choice. I've had friends who've experienced the same thing with their aging parents who smoked. One friend found one, but it was a dismal place where she did not feel comfortable leaving the relative.

It's a really hard time to quit and he was miserable. I know no one "plans" to be in a nursing home, but it's something to think about.

They did provide him patches, etc, but he was flat out miserable for months.

Also, in hospitals, you cannot smoke.

Putting up with a lack of smoking for a few hours is gonna seem tame when it compares to weeks and months at the end of your life.

 

[BLAZEY]

NZ went smoke free in bars in 2004, and they found that there was an increase in sales, there are more non smokers that were choosing not to go, breath it in and come home stinking that started going out after the ban.

BC found the same, only 10% of the adult population smokes. More people were staying away because of the smoke, it was an untapped market that opened up once the smoking ban was in place.

 

[DISNEY1975]

I just read on another site, the response from Disney emailed to the guest, about this new policy. Apparently the person is 3 days out from their paid for vacation and not happy. She said she was concerned about getting back into the parks and would there be a re-entry line for smokers who already went through security. The answer was, No they will have to go back in line to get in.
So that answers that question, apparently.

3 days out? The policy doesnt go into effect until May 1st.

 

[DISNEY1975]

I guess I’m curious what some of the smokers do in their workplace. A lot of work places are smoke free & do not allow smoke breaks. How do you get through a day & could not this same strategy work at wdw?

My husband was not a heavy smoker, but he would go out for a cigerette after lunch. Though his company had an outdoor smoking section, there was nothing stoppng him from getting in his car and driving off property for lunch. He often went out for lunch.

Also, most people dont work 12+ hours per day or have the boredom of waiting an hour plus in lines multiple times. I imagine when youre busy, its not a thought.

 

[robinb]

I guess I’m curious what some of the smokers do in their workplace. A lot of work places are smoke free & do not allow smoke breaks. How do you get through a day & could not this same strategy work at wdw?

I would say there is a vast difference between walking out the door to smoke (at most work places) or to your car to drive somewhere to have a smoke verses having to walk all the way out of the park and then back in through security. A cigarette break could take someone 45-60 minutes at WDW.

I think that cigarette smokers will pick up vaping while on their vacation. It won't be the same, but it will work on the cravings. I think the number of people sneaking hits of their vape devices in line, while walking, in the bathroom, etc will go up exponentially.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes. Katrina was the official death of it. But, it was a place many families had stopped going long before for a reason. I think Disney faces this dilemma...being just costly enough to keep out certain groups but affordable enough for the “average family”. Walt Disney wanted a place families could go. Ppl get hung up on the affordability of that. But, he mostly wanted a place families could go b/c places like the boardwalk had become not family friendly. It has to cost a certain amount & have certain policies to stay “family friendly”. It’s just the way it is. I’m not saying this necessarily has to do with smoking, but I do think WDW does things to control who their population is.

Ohh I see. I had only heard about Katrina being the reason as the cost to reconstruct it was too much. Interesting to find out there was a bit more to it.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

I've definitely always heard/read that Walt didn't like for kids to see him smoking, but I've also heard/read that the two-fingered point is because one finger is a rude gesture in the countries of some guests.

That’s what I’d always heard too. This was the first I’d heard of the two finger point being a Walt thing. But, if they made a point to include it in the movie, I guess it must’ve been (for whatever reason he did it that way).

 

[Colleen27]

I guess I’m curious what some of the smokers do in their workplace. A lot of work places are smoke free & do not allow smoke breaks. How do you get through a day & could not this same strategy work at wdw?

My husband works construction, residential for a long time and now industrial. In the 20+ years I've known him, he's never had a job where breaks were strictly scheduled and he's only worked in one semi-smoke-free workplace (a production facility full of highly flammable things - there was an employee smoking area, but it was a ways from the main building). So it isn't something he has to deal with at work. In fact, he's got the opposite problem in his current job - he manages maintenance for three plants and got in the habit of smoking when going from one site to the other, but some days he's moving around so much that he has to override that habit to avoid smoking more than he ordinarily would over the course of the day.

 

[billlaurie]

My Dad quit smoking at age 82....started smoking when he was in the Korean War in his late teens/early 20's when cigarettes were provided "free" to the troops and well before dangers were known.
He quit because he had no choice. He needed assisted living, then nursing home care, and NONE of them accepted smokers. NONE. I contacted many of them, and simply not an available choice. I've had friends who've experienced the same thing with their aging parents who smoked. One friend found one, but it was a dismal place where she did not feel comfortable leaving the relative.
It's a really hard time to quit and he was miserable. I know no one "plans" to be in a nursing home, but it's something to think about.
They did provide him patches, etc, but he was flat out miserable for months.
Also, in hospitals, you cannot smoke.
Putting up with a lack of smoking for a few hours is gonna seem tame when it compares to weeks and months at the end of your life.

This is similar to my mother's experience. Two back-to-back long hospital stays then a year in a nursing home forced her to quit at 80. She, too, was quite miserable. Despite COPD, heart failure, and having a chunk of her chin removed where her fingers rested as she held her cigarette, she made it out even though we were told she would die there. Fortunately, she no longer wants to smoke. She would have early on if she could have got them! Her quality of life is pretty poor but she has improved and feels like she has been given a gift that her siblings were not, all of whom smoked and died from cancer and heart attacks, some as early as age 50.

 

[LSUmiss]

The campus I work for is smoke free. I drive off campus to smoke. I don’t go far and stay within a normal break time. If we are busy or something major going on, I don’t go. And I don’t go several times a day. Some days once, some days twice. Just depends.

At the hospital, the man who owns the adjoining land made the employees a little smoking area. It’s hidden in some trees. I am not sure how it works for the nurses to get to go out there. Perhaps just on their lunch break?

Most any employer gives you at least a lunch break, most smoke then. And in some areas, they can’t deny an employee a break. Most find a way to get off property.

Another local university is smoke free but they do have a little hidden place for employees to go. Since their campus is so large, maybe they figured that was better than them leaving campus for breaks.

So then if this is typical than the average smoker should only have to take a break maybe once or twice a park day visit. A lot of ppl take midday breaks anyway so it doesn’t seem that bad.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I guess I’m curious what some of the smokers do in their workplace. A lot of work places are smoke free & do not allow smoke breaks. How do you get through a day & could not this same strategy work at wdw?

My husband's company is generally smoke free on all projects when out in the field. Smokers can smoke in their vehicles but their vehicles aren't always onsite. My husband's district builds and retrofits power plants. The project my husband's was last on a couple of years ago when he worked onsite there was no parking onsite. It was roughly a 15-20mins shuttle each way from the designated parking lot.

Now power plants represent only a portion of their business. I did talk to my husband and he said power plants are much easier to enforce a smoke free environment than a 10mile highway project lol but they generally are still supposed to be smoke free. That goes for all employee, construction, engineering, estimating, etc when on site.

In the office (meaning you aren't in the field) there's a DSA outside the buildings.

When onsite (meaning in the field) I believe those workers who smoke do so during their lunch breaks. When onsite in the field for a normal break if you have to catch a shuttle to get to your vehicle a 30-40 min break especially twice a day plus lunch is not really going to be allowed so you're going to be mostly left with lunch during working hours. Typically speaking at least for the engineers they work 10-12 hours day sometimes 6 days a week (though Saturday may not be a full work day).

 

[LSUmiss]

Ohh I see. I had only heard about Katrina being the reason as the cost to reconstruct it was too much. Interesting to find out there was a bit more to it.

Basically that’s the side note of it “cost too much to reconstruct” b/c it had stopped being as profitable.

 

[paisleys]

I wish Publix would put a little area out back for their employees to smoke like described above for the hospitals. As it is now, they have a bench that is far enough from the front door to be in accordance of the law, but it is still pretty near the entrance and next to the carts. I usually shop weekdays pretty early and there are always 1,2,3 employees on the bench near the entrance puffing away, it's super gross to breathe that in so early in the morning. I like to return my cart back to the store but not walking through that just to return a cart. I also don't think it's a good look for the store to have employees out front in uniform smoking (but that's just me).

 

[amberpi]

In order to have a separate entrance for smokers they would have to have a holding pen of sorts set up for smokers.

Now, if they all of a sudden set up smoking lounges/patios the ban would make more sense.

 

[mummabear]

It is not that easy, and I find it extremely rude for you to say so! We will never agree on this issue, but I find your comments rude and hurtful to others.

But it is, you (the royal you) have to make a choice.
I think it is an unwillingness from smokers (who are complaining about the impact) to accept responsibility for their own choices.
I can't buy alcohol inside Disneyland Park, I cant imagine there would be much sympathy for an alcoholic complaining about how it is costing them family time to have to leave the park and go all the way to either DCA or DTD to get a drink.