No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[luvsJack]

So then if this is typical than the average smoker should only have to take a break maybe once or twice a park day visit. A lot of ppl take midday breaks anyway so it doesn’t seem that bad.

Depends on your touring style and if you do take a midday break. And for most people, vacation mode and work mode are a bit different. Even smokers don’t want to feel like they are at work when they are at Disney. But in theory, you aren’t completely wrong.

Dh has never worked a job where he couldn’t smoke, ever. He was a bridge foreman on a bridge construction crew for many years and then started driving a truck. Neither has limited smoking.

For us, we will have one more trip and see how it goes. But again, these kinds of changes are just more of a last straw kind of thing, for us. I plan to quit soon anyway but it’s going to be much harder for dh. He has not ever tried to quit and for the most part isn’t limited in when and where he smokes on a normal day. Of course church, certain events and places are the exception. So we will see.

 

[luvsJack]

But it is, you (the royal you) have to make a choice.
I think it is an unwillingness from smokers (who are complaining about the impact) to accept responsibility for their own choices.
I can't buy alcohol inside Disneyland Park, I cant imagine there would be much sympathy for an alcoholic complaining about how it is costing them family time to have to leave the park and go all the way to either DCA or DTD to get a drink.

How exactly is being unhappy with the ban not taking responsibility for one’s actions? Anyone can choose not to go to Disney. It’s not a requirement. If I said “I am not going back because I can’t take ice in” would I somehow not be taking responsibility for something?

 

[Southernmiss]

BIL has adviised his son to get the nicotine patches when nephew takes his family to Disney.

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

How exactly is being unhappy with the ban not taking responsibility for one’s actions? Anyone can choose not to go to Disney. It’s not a requirement. If I said “I am not going back because I can’t take ice in” would I somehow not be taking responsibility for something?

I think it was aimed more at the line of thinking "Well now Disney is making it so I have less time to spend together with my family! (because of the trek in and out of the park)" when in reality it is the smoker making that decision to take that time away from their family to get their fix. It's not the part about being unhappy with the ban, it's the part about blaming Disney for taking smoker away from smoker's family, when that is on the smoker for that decision.

 

[Tess]

I know a certain somebody who would be rolling in his grave right now!

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While searching for a picture to accompany that lame joke, I came across this article explaining why smoking pictures of Walt are hard to come by, along with the origin story for the two finger point. Is it true? I have no idea, but it was an interesting read if it is:

https://petapixel.com/2016/10/12/disneyland-used-photoshop-cigarettes-portraits-walt-disney/

Guess I am old enough to remember when he would introduce Wonderful World of Disney with a cigarette in his hand. . .not sure what that says about my age, but it was every Sunday evening when we settled in to watch TV as a family.

 

[Tess]

I guess I’m curious what some of the smokers do in their workplace. A lot of work places are smoke free & do not allow smoke breaks. How do you get through a day & could not this same strategy work at wdw?

I think those folks would say--I am on vacation (thank goodness, I have worked long and hard for this) now I can enjoy my free time without the imposition of my work rules. Sadly, those rules have now been imposed on their vacation, but they only received short notice after paying thousands of dollars. Just thinking out loud. . .

 

[DISNEY1975]

But it is, you (the royal you) have to make a choice.
I think it is an unwillingness from smokers (who are complaining about the impact) to accept responsibility for their own choices.
I can't buy alcohol inside Disneyland Park, I cant imagine there would be much sympathy for an alcoholic complaining about how it is costing them family time to have to leave the park and go all the way to either DCA or DTD to get a drink.

Many people are missing the big point. If its a known fact that DL is dry, then I would guess an alcoholic would not go to DL. Its the short notice they gave when people have a lot of money tied up in a near future trip to DL/DW and wont be getting the experience they though they paid for.

 

[luvsJack]

I think it was aimed more at the line of thinking "Well now Disney is making it so I have less time to spend together with my family! (because of the trek in and out of the park)" when in reality it is the smoker making that decision to take that time away from their family to get their fix. It's not the part about being unhappy with the ban, it's the part about blaming Disney for taking smoker away from smoker's family, when that is on the smoker for that decision.

Oh that makes more sense. I don’t blame Disney for taking up my time. But I simply do not want to leave whatever and walk to the front of the park. It’s just the sheer amount of time involved.



I am curious, someone said where the DSA will be for MK. Any ideas where they will be for the other parks?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Many people are missing the big point. If its a known fact that DL is dry, then I would guess an alcoholic would not go to DL. Its the short notice they gave when people have a lot of money tied up in a near future trip to DL/DW and wont be getting the experience they though they paid for.

The ability to smoking inside the parks is an experience people paid for?

 

[DISNEY1975]

The ability to smoking inside the parks is an experience people paid for?

Roaming the park with their families and not having to leave them for 30 - 50 minutes, or having a dinner and not having to go all the way outside the park for a cigarette.....or though my own husband didnt smoke much in the main parks..maybe when he passed an area, but wouldnt search for one, what he did like was at the waterparks to go to the par area, get a drink and have a cigarette. he smoked in the water parks for sure as he's not one for slides or sun bathing. I usually stayed an a lounger and read while the kids had fun. Thats part of the vacation....not to stand in a parking lot to have a cigarette. I guess you dont understand as it appears you have never had a big vacation inside the bubble. Im not talking about day trippers, the ones who spend thousands on a WDW vacation.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I guess you dont understand as it appears you have never had a big vacation inside the bubble. Im not talking about day trippers, the ones who spend thousands on a WDW vacation.

What in tarnation do you mean? I spent 10 days and 9 nights on site in 2017. If you added up all I spent it would be several thousand of dollars.

Please don't disparage day trippers even though I'm not one. I fly from the middle of the country but even I'm not so rude as to think that the local person's trip is worth any less than someone's trip who is there for a day. Nor someone who stayed off site as if their trip means they are worth less than someone who stayed on site. That's just plain

Would you like me to list out all the things that happened for that trip? Including Hurricane Irma?

Would you like me to list out all the things that happend for my DLR trip earlier this month that was thrown at me with little or no notice?

Roaming the park with their families and not having to leave them for 30 - 50 minutes, or having a dinner and not having to go all the way outside the park for a cigarette.....or though my own husband didnt smoke much in the main parks..maybe when he passed an area, but wouldnt search for one, what he did like was at the waterparks to go to the par area, get a drink and have a cigarette. he smoked in the water parks for sure as he's not one for slides or sun bathing. I usually stayed an a lounger and read while the kids had fun.

That's your style of touring. Other people have other styles of touring. If someone is actually paying for admission into the theme parks for the ability to smoke inside the theme parks I just don't know what to say about that.

 

[LongLiveRafiki]

The ability to smoking inside the parks is an experience people paid for?

People may have started planning out their days, taking into account where the current DSAs are. Now, they will have to throw out those plans and come up with entirely new ones. This could affect the FPs they have planned as they may not be able to fit in going out to smoke with the plans they already have, and it may be too late to switch FPs around while still keeping the rides they want. Due to all of the extra walking in and out of the park, they will undoubtedly have less time in the park for rides, shows, etc. So in that sense, they would be getting less of an experience than what they thought they were getting when they paid for their trip.

The parks are already stressful, and for many smokers, not being able to smoke/having to walk significantly farther to do so and then deal with security all over again, will add additional stress. A lot of people smoke to deal with stress, and will find this ban simply adds more stress to them, which can dampen their overall experience.

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

People may have started planning out their days, taking into account where the current DSAs are. Now, they will have to throw out those plans and come up with entirely new ones. This could affect the FPs they have planned as they may not be able to fit in going out to smoke with the plans they already have, and it may be too late to switch FPs around while still keeping the rides they want. Due to all of the extra walking in and out of the park, they will undoubtedly have less time in the park for rides, shows, etc. So in that sense, they would be getting less of an experience than what they thought they were getting when they paid for their trip.

The parks are already stressful, and for many smokers, not being able to smoke/having to walk significantly farther to do so and then deal with security all over again, will add additional stress. A lot of people smoke to deal with stress, and will find this ban simply adds more stress to them, which can dampen their overall experience.

Once you factor in all this re-planning, rebooking FP, maybe changing dining times & locations that is going to occur in order to work around the moved smoking location, it would probably just be easier for them to give up smoking!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

People may have started planning out their days, taking into account where the current DSAs are. Now, they will have to throw out those plans and come up with entirely new ones. This could affect the FPs they have planned as they may not be able to fit in going out to smoke with the plans they already have, and it may be too late to switch FPs around while still keeping the rides they want. Due to all of the extra walking in and out of the park, they will undoubtedly have less time in the park for rides, shows, etc. So in that sense, they would be getting less of an experience than what they thought they were getting when they paid for their trip.

The parks are already stressful, and for many smokers, not being able to smoke/having to walk significantly farther to do so and then deal with security all over again, will add additional stress. A lot of people smoke to deal with stress, and will find this ban simply adds more stress to them, which can dampen their overall experience.

That I can get.

I do think this is just one thing in a list of sooooooooooo many decisions Disney has done over the years with little to no notice. Now granted to someone who may truly be addicted to smoking in a sense that they can't go at all any sort of low time period without smoking this could present a larger wrench in their plans because they need to stop much more frequently.

But on a very grand scale things like the growing length of MNSSHP and MVMCP, EMM and DAH, refurbs that rarely give any sort of notice, parking fees, dogs being allowed at some hotels, adjustments to places including switching a place from not needing a reservation to now taking one and switching the type of meal also often with little notice, etc etc all of those impact likely a lot more people not to mention the weather which at both coasts can impact people a lot in terms of what they can do. I'm usually vocal about Disney doing changes with little notice but I completely recognize this change, albeit 3 big changes announced at once is rarer, is par for the course based on previous changes in the last couple of years.

 

[DISNEY1975]

Would you like me to list out all the things that happened for that trip? Including Hurricane Irma?

Would you like me to list out all the things that happend for my DLR trip earlier this month that was thrown at me with little or no notice?

Im good on the Hurricane Irma. Sure, tell me what happened with little notice.

As far as day trippers, my point was even a smoker could possibly go a day without a cigarette..or even be inconvenienced. A week or more just gets aggravating. I will surely say for my upcoming trip, a big birthday for me, we contemplated either Disney or a cruise to Alaska. Its on our bucket list. Took months of debating and pros and cons. I decided on Disney. Its to celebrate not only this birthday, but many years of my life that Disney always held a place in my heart. Ive never been in August, but with my boys grown and my daughter in HS, who cant miss school, Aug is the only time to go. Coincidentally my birthday is in Aug and its a special year...I saw this as a sign Disney is where I should be. Im going for 12 days, staying at a resort I chose. Trip cost $10,100. Now if Disney announced starting May 1st they are closing the pools at the resort Im staying at, but we can go to another resorts pool, I would be very upset. I plan on 1/2 days in the park, 1/2 at the pool. The my ADRs planned, I dont want to be anywhere else, then have to go back to my resort to shower/change etc...huge inconveniene. They need to give notice when people are spenind so much money and expecting a certain thing. I wouldnt want to do all that running around and probably would have picked a cruise instead.

 

[LSUmiss]

I think those folks would say--I am on vacation (thank goodness, I have worked long and hard for this) now I can enjoy my free time without the imposition of my work rules. Sadly, those rules have now been imposed on their vacation, but they only received short notice after paying thousands of dollars. Just thinking out loud. . .

Packages are refundable 30 days in advance for those who will be unable to enjoy their vacations with this rule.

And, I asked how they get through a work day b/c imo it shows that some can. So if you can & you don’t think it’s worth a trek to the front of the park then that’s what I would do.

 

[DISNEY1975]

That's your style of touring. Other people have other styles of touring. If someone is actually paying for admission into the theme parks for the ability to smoke inside the theme parks I just don't know what to say about that.

People are agreeing to go into the park because they know when they want a smoke, they will eventually come upon an area. A heavy smoker wouldnt go.

 

[LongLiveRafiki]

Once you factor in all this re-planning, rebooking FP, maybe changing dining times & locations that is going to occur in order to work around the moved smoking location, it would probably just be easier for them to give up smoking!

I kinda doubt very many people will decide to actually quit just because of the ban. At most, they might try to reduce the amount they smoke while in the parks. For some, that may work okay. For other smokers I know, I wouldn't really want to be anywhere near them if they were trying to abstain during a day at the parks.

 

[DISNEY1975]

Packages are refundable 30 days in advance for those who will be unable to enjoy their vacations with this rule.

Most people have booked their airfare before the 30 day mark, as well as park tickets and special event tickets etc... Not everyone gets a package that is refundable.

 

[LSUmiss]

People may have started planning out their days, taking into account where the current DSAs are. Now, they will have to throw out those plans and come up with entirely new ones. This could affect the FPs they have planned as they may not be able to fit in going out to smoke with the plans they already have, and it may be too late to switch FPs around while still keeping the rides they want. Due to all of the extra walking in and out of the park, they will undoubtedly have less time in the park for rides, shows, etc. So in that sense, they would be getting less of an experience than what they thought they were getting when they paid for their trip.

The parks are already stressful, and for many smokers, not being able to smoke/having to walk significantly farther to do so and then deal with security all over again, will add additional stress. A lot of people smoke to deal with stress, and will find this ban simply adds more stress to them, which can dampen their overall experience.

Imo if someone feels their vacation is that stressful that they need a substance to survive then perhaps they should reconsider their vacation destination choice.